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Are you going to get any real poker player presenters?
I play poker quite alot, and usually watch SKY poker on TV too see if I can improve my game, think about situations differently. I have nothing against any of the presenters, they all seem very nice and do there job of presenting well and they are funny.
However Everyone I saw so far barring Tikay seem to have little to no knowledge on poker and just seem to make up stuff as they go along.
I just recently watched a hand were someone limped UTG AA and the sb called with J10. the discussion of the hand was shockingly bad, and the praise of the guy folding AA on the turn with an overpair and NFD was congratulated.
I really like the show but you need to get some presenters who know how to play the game and have the ability to analyse hands correctly.
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There are two roles when it comes to the on screen talent, which is Presenters and Analysts. The Presenters are Richard, LM, Sarah and DP. The Analysts are Tikay, Ed, Trevor and James. It is the Analysts job to comment on the hands and give advice on play to which they do a brilliant job. We would love to get some high profile pro players to guest analyses or work with us full time but they are all sponsored.
Thanks for the reply and yeah I figured before hand that out of the two one would assume the presenter role and the other analyst, I just sometimes have a hard time differentiating between the two. Don’t get me wrong I think there all great presenters and enjoy watching them but some of the “analyst” I feel do a poor job of discussing the action.
yeah in an ideal world it would be great to have the top poker pros as analysts, but its just not possible for many different reasons. I just suggested that I think it would be better viewing for the more “serious” type of players if you had better analysts who actually know what is happening during hands instead of just jibbering on.
They can of course see all the cards, so when someone folds AA it may be a phenominal fold when you take into consideration the player has no knowledge of the other cards! People play AA in different ways, in my opinion slow playing them is dangerous but it does work for others and gets maximum value
James Hartigan is one of the most respected poker commentators in the world, he has worked alongside Gavin Griffin, Daniel Negreanu and pretty much anybody who is anybody in poker, I have also had the pleasure of playing live with James, Ed Giddins and Tikay at the SPT events and even arranged a special Sit and Go in Newcastle which Tikay took down with absolute poker goddness!
I was also a phone guest for 2 hours on master cash where my game was analysed, they gave me some very sound advice. Trevor Harris is an extremely good cash game player and try playing Omaha Hi/Lo with Tikay! Free lessons.
Also a mention for Sky Dave (Dave Bland) who helps out in the chat box during Omaha Hi/Lo cash games and when I had the pleasure of playing with him in the APAT qualifiers was a class above us all and would have qualified easily had he been able to play all the games. Dave is a top poker journalist.
I think the Sky analysts are fantastic and the chemistry on screen with the presenters (and in real life!) is second to none.
Dave
@ SolarCarro working along side top poker players does not make you a good poker analyst yourself, I mean I could go kick a football with Wayne Rooney, that does not make me a great footballer.
I have not saw all of the analysts at work so I can’t comment on them all, but I feel I could do a better job of analyzing (no presenting) then a few that I have saw, I have saw 4 so far and I think Tikay and Trevor Harris were the only one that impressed me.
Also if you are looking for home players to analyze I would like to put my self forward as I think I could do a better job then a few of the current analysts. I play 95% cash games though, so my SNG/MTT strat would not be as good, so I would like to come on a cash day
and btw I am no eye candy sorry.
As far as the presenters are concerned, they are learning just like the majority of people watching and playing on here. Rich Orford and Lisa Marie have shown vast improvements in their knowledge and understanding of the game and are both now very good players as well as excellent presenters!
OK, so there are no "recognised" professionals but you try playing against the likes of Tikay, Trevor, Ed or any of the others in their preferred form of the game and I'm sure you'd see that they are more than worthy opponents.
From what you've said, it seems to me that you think presenting and analysing on TV is easy! But, if you'd done any form of presenting you would realise that it is not as easy as THEY make it look! It is extremely difficult and they do a fantastic job! But don't take my word for it, take up Sky Claire's offer and try it for yourself and prove me wrong! But, until you have, please do not be so disparaging about them!
Cheers, Chris
As I've only been playing for six months or so I'm obviously not best placed to assess the analysis (let alone spell it)
The main criteria for me is that Mrs Butini is quite content for 865 to be on while she's reading a book or gambling on line.....she's hardly into poker but the personalities and the fun triggered on screen sometimes manage to draw her in, Rich and TKs double act for instance provides entertainment that is worthy of any programme let alone poker.
Alter the mix and you "may" get some better more precise insights into the game.....but I might have to give up the remote and watch Desperate Housewifes or something equally dreadful much more often.
And coming back to my opening line, in the six months I've been playing I think I've learned a heck of a lot from ALL the folks on Sky - maybe that's part of it - for much of the time Sky probably have it in mind that they are fostering a good many beginners to the game playing "level one" poker with baby steps.
The advice given is always done respectfully and with improvement in mind, so that we all learn just a little thing from each game we play and lets face it, we are ALL learning.
I echo the sentiments here, I can't wait to see you in the studio analysing the play, interesting experiment!
Dave
it angers me that people can sit and criticize when they dont have the balls or the ability to do it themselves!
i have met many of the sky presenters, anyalists and production team many times, visited the studio etc, and their professionalism and class cannot be underestimated. this may seem like a brown nose post but i dont care as i speaketh the truth!
CLAIRE YOU DO A FANTASTIC JOB, KEEP IT UP!
hoggers
I dont think even Phil Ivey could do a better job on the tv tournaments as the analysts have no reads on the players or knowledge of the table dynamics, the only advice they can give is ABC poker so the most important thing is that they interact well with each other and make the show entertaining. (which they all do a great job imo)
edit: basically what Greg said lol.
Some of the presenters just commentate on what is happening. For example is someone raises pre flop, they will say now “player X” has done a standard Cbet. Yeah okay we can see that, but why don’t you give your thoughts on the cbet, for example why not discuss the following
Texture of the flop-
Is this a good flop to cbet?
does it hit your perceived range?
For example if player X raises AK In MP and get called by someone on the button, flop is 754.
How often you are going to get floated on this board?
do you have any fold eqiuty against this player?
what are you repping?
what are you going to do on the turn if it’s a brick?
They should be asking and answering these questions.
All I here is “okay now player X should do a standard cbet”? if you are always making a standard cbet, you are going to get exploited so much by players who know anything about poker. Which is terrible advice which I here from some of them.
They do not go in depth of any of the hands, rather just commenter on what is happening, I can see what is happening, why not give us your thoughts and opinions on lines taken.
If you read my post I never said they did a bad job presentering, they do a good job, they analysing of pokers hands is very poor, and they hardly break the hand down. They will thow in basic words like "float", "cbet", "double barrell". Then they wont explain weather its good or bad to cbet this board, or "player X is double barreling here" yeah thank you we can see that, do you have any thoughts on this double barrell, is is a correct flop texture, what do does your line look like you repping? etc etc.
no meat at all in the analysis
Let me first start off by saying for the 12349395th time that I never said you lot were bad presenters, I think you are really good at that part.
thanks for the post James, yeah I imagined that you only get so long to look at one hand, but perhaps the powers that be can do something about it, I think we can all agree that players will learn a lot more if we spent more time on important hands and explain them in more detail, then a quick 2mintue skim? I mean some of the play I see on the TV tables is shockingly bad, I guess your also gagged in calling someone a "bad player" or something which is a shame.
At the moment sky poker to me is more about the community and keeping players on there site then actually improving them. I guess I’m just a more serious and better player then half the people who posted in this thread, as I would like to get more from your TV show then just a community feeling and funny jokes every 5mintues. I want to watch your show to improve my already well rounded poker game, learn more concepts, more poker theorys etc etc.
As for the beginners I can see your point again, I know you don’t have the power, but perhaps the people at sky who read this can maybe divide the show into separate days, for example, have Monday a show for beginners, then on the Tuesday the advanced poker etc etc.
I also appreciate your post and LMLs, it’s nice to see you can take some heat without being over defensive and moody like some of the other members posting in here.
I don’t play on sky poker much due to me being a full ring player and this site having no rakeback, but I might have to play on the TV tables one day and show some people who are questioning me how to play some real poker.
I'm sure that you'll find lots of players willing to "learn".
Perhaps its just me, mabye im a bore? its just id rather see more soild poker advice and theorys then chatter and joke throughot the show?
I had posted another addition to this thread saying you were bordering on arrogance and then deleted it because I re-read it and thought perhaps I was a little harsh, then I read this!
"I guess I’m just a more serious and better player then half the people who posted in this thread"
I haven't stopped laughing for the last 20 mins!
Think James and LML get it spot on and yet again they take the time to post after a 4 hour show at 1am in the morning! And gotta love the sarcasm in the last paragraph of LML
If you want really in deep analysis post a hand and they do it on Sky Poker school where you get a full 5 minutes and they go right down to "flop texture" - (nice buzz word Harvey) there.
ps I am still laughing, so funny!
On behalf of the MC regs, I'll issue a challenge for Harvey to come and put his pennies where his gob is next week.
Tommyd, dylan12, ozzie08, chirpychip, rats, boonicon, myself, and maybe even merenovice will put in a guest appearance at the 2 card tables - we're all ready and waiting to swallow you up, 8pm - 11pm next saturday night.
Be there
Hi DOHHHHHH, I have seen your name on the site a few times, I can’t remember if you are good or not though. Most of my roll is on another site, and Saturday is the best day for me to maximize my profits the fish. I might deposit like 50bucks one of the days when I know they are doing “master cash”, and run over the tables I am at. You won’t see me open limping, calling AK to a raise and 2 callers, playing k8off OOP, and all the basic mistakes I see you make at the tables.
Thanks for the invite though.
Is that a no then?
As predictable as the day is long
Oh any btw the last time I limped into a pot was 4 and a half years ago