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lol, alright - u seem an alright guy - very confident in your own ability, nothing wrong with that up to a point, then it starts to become detremental to your own performance.
I agree with some of what you said about the analysts, but they are there to analyse, and try to expain to the viewers why a player is doing what he's doing. - And maybe suggest alternative plays/moves.
But...
Theres hundreds of ways to play a poker hand, its impossible, and imo it would be wrong, for any analyst to criticise a play made by a player at a decent standard/level of poker.
Theres very very basic things that you shouldn't do.....the analysts can pick up on this and say, WRONG. (folding aces pre flop, limping utg with 23) - but as you start looking at the game in detail, alot of the time, there is no right or wrong, as everything is so situation dependant.
You say you are happy with TK as an analyst and he explains himself well. - TK presented mastercash when it first started. When he left that show, there were people calling for him to come back as they enjoyed the show when he was on....
TK never ever plays cash No limit hold em. He openly states, that he can't explain the plays by the higher stakes guys who are 3/4/5 betting with air. He isn't there to explain these sorts of moves, he's there to analyse whats happening, and maybe suggests reasons why it's happening - he cant/and nobody else can, say what is right or wrong as again, there is no right or wrong, and its hard enough to figure this out when uv been sat paying the table for an hour, let alone when you see isolated hands.
Anyway - I hope to see you at the tables soon, I love a challenge, and it sounds like you would provide one.
Good luck, DOHH
Hi Harvey,
In answer to the Thread Title, no. The Presenters all have full time careers in Television, though many of them play poker recreationally to a high standard. I believe LML, for example, has cashed in 3 of her last 4 Live Poker Tourneys, & won her last one, on Monday, at The Vic. I think perhaps you are confusing "Presenters" with "Analysts". The record of the Analysts speaks for itself.
The problem here is "you can please some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time".
The Show HAS to appeal to a very wide range of tastes, & it works very hard to do that. I gather you don't like the "chatter", but that's what most people watch it for, believe it or not. "Educate & entertain" is the 865 maxim.
I can't add much else, though I thought the Post by James Hartigan (equally & uniquely he's excellent as a Presenter AND an Analyst) & by Dohhhh said it all really. Ask Phil Hellmuth & Doyle Brunson to discuss the play of any hand, & they will have different views. That's how poker is.
I'm doing this coming Saturday's MasterCash Show (as an Analyst....), & I see you have been invited to take a seat. I'd be honoured to analyse your play, & I look forward to it immensely, as it would seem many others do.
As far as the presenters/anylists are concerned, they get the balance just right and I for one don't want to watch a theory only show. It has to cater for the full spectrum of participants and be informative. If you want in-depth analysis then go to 2+2 or Blonde because that's what they specialise in for those who want it. Sky do a fine job, it's my home site, and I am probably a member of more poker rooms and forums than you are.
I'll be interested to see you at the table with Doh and Co. I might even have a little dabble myself.
Yeah there any many ways to play a hand, but based on the information we get on each street, should the analysts not give there advice on what they think is the most optimal line to take on each street?
Yeah I guess your right, I guess I’m more of a nerd when it comes to poker, id rather talk about the math’s, taking optimal lines, what ranges to play against what type of opponent then the whole community aspect. But I’d guess the show would not be as popular if all you did was that.
If someone could tell me what time the cash tables start on Saturday I would be more then happy to sit at a few, even though 6max is not my preferred game.
But, you see, this is the thing, the criteria for an Analyst is more than just a knowlege of Level 4 poker niceties.
The past participle of "to see" is ""seen", & it is a requirement of the Presenters and Analysts to have a passing familiarity with the English language.
So, perhaps it's not quite as easy as some might at first sight assume, would you not agree?
I made this thread as I felt the analyzing was not as good as it can be, I don’t know why people are challenging me to play with them. If I play one session and im up or down, that does not prove I am better then anyone at the table or not, as the sample of hands in that session would not nearly be enough. If I cooler a member here AA v KK, does that mean I’m better then them? No.
As you being a member of more poker sites then me, I don’t know what that is meant to prove? And I guess you are right that I should go to twoplustwo or something I want more detailed analysis which I do. But Skypoker is the only TV show I know that does poker analysis so I do enjoy watching it, I just hope it could be more “poker oriented”.
Your whole posts just seems very negative towards me, what do you mean by “and 50 bucks probably won't be sufficient so dig a little deeper my friend and take up the offer”.
I am just offering my thoughts and feelings on the show, I have not called anyone out, or mentioned any names or w/e, so I think your attack on me is quite unjust sorry.
We shall continue to do our best to please everybody, though.
As for the fifty bucks, we play in pounds on Sky so on a 25/50 table it probably won't suffice. To truly assess your ability and those you are playing with half a buy-in isn't enough.
As I said Sky is my home site. I was making the point that of all the sites I have played over the years, and still do, I regard Sky as my home for poker.
As for negative, I'm afraid that negativity attracts negativity.
Take up the offer of a game, have some good natured banter at the table and get to know those you are questioning. I think you might be surprised.
Wait - NOW I get the meaning of your name - you are a 6'-3" tall invisible rabbit. Are we confusing poker with pooka, here?
Hmm, my "Harvey" & pooka Post seems to have killed the Thread.
To be fair, one needs to be "fairly old" to grasp it's relevance. Elsadog will understand though, I'm sure.
@ tikay, ha ha i am actually 6'3 and my name is harvey but thats were the resemblance ends with pooka lol.
It's my big six-o this year but my brain still thinks I'm 30. Why is that? I know I can't be 30 'cos I've been married for 40 but I still try to play footy with the kids ....... so, so sad.
Tikay, I would expect more accurate information from you. I think you'll find Pooka is 6' 3 1/2".
I not one to boast but I think i could easily top the ROI tables over a large sample size. Obiously one session does not really show much as you could have been card dead, ran into coolers etc. But if they did it over 100k hands, which is not practical I would not be surpised to be in the top 3
I play on Full tilt.
In Response to Re: Are you going to get any real poker player presenters?: if that is the case, im sorry it was never meant to come out like that.
I sometimes play 50nl on tilt so i might of played you, Is your screen name Harvey23?
no my screenname is not harvey23, I dont give out my SN for sites.
Kinda puts the whole thread in context. We get the rub from someone who only watches the Show when "there is nothing on TV"....
Marv. I'm having a shocker today.