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computer generated poker

edited July 2010 in Area 51
after stopping playing on sky for 6 months, believing through statistic compiliation that far too many amazing hands and beats occur, i have returned(not without some success) to find the same occuring! my question is this: however random why should the average punter on sky believe that the computer generators are not tweaked to make this happen? for my part watching and playing live i know it doesn't happen with the same frequency??? SO, comments welcome! Stoneface 1.
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  • edited July 2010
    Day-Saver to Area 51 Please.
  • edited July 2010
    Hmmm, you might be onto something.  But if the hands are not dealt randomly who are they being dealt in advantage of?  I suspect anyone without a digit in their name is being dealt better hands.  Bad luck BlackFish3.
  • edited July 2010

    Hi Stone

    Because there are so many hands dealt, and played, of course there are going to be hands beaten, it stands to reason, there are also hands holding up, it wont happen as frequently live for the simple fact, there are nowhere near as many hands dealt, but outdraws do happen.

    It would not be in Sky,s interest to "tweak" the RNG.

  • edited July 2010
    In Response to Re: computer generated poker:
    Hmmm, you might be onto something.  But if the hands are not dealt randomly who are they being dealt in advantage of?  I suspect anyone without a digit in their name is being dealt better hands.  Bad luck BlackFish3.
    Posted by Machka
    DARN IT!!! silly rigged online pokerz :(
  • edited July 2010
    I blame Sky Rich
  • edited July 2010

    Are you stoooooooooooopid?
  • edited July 2010
    YOU WILL ALWAYS HAVE TWO SIDES TO THIS ARGUMENT, PERSONALY I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK. WE ALL MUST HAVE AMAZING BAD BEAT STORIES TO TELL, AND OVER TIME IT PROBABLY BALANCES ITSELF OUT. I'M HAVING A BREAK FROM POKER AT THE MOMENT, TOO MANY BAD BEATS, AND BAD PLAY (BY ME) HAVE MADE ME TAKE A STEP BACK FOR A MONTH OR TWO. I AM WATCHING ALOT OF POKER THOUGH, AND HOPEFULLY I'LL COME BACK A BETTER PLAYER .I DO THINK THAT WE CAN'T ALL BE GREAT PLAYER'S, SO I PLAY FOR ENJOYMENT AS MUCH AS PROFIT, IF I WIN IT'S A BONUS.
  • edited July 2010
    I played just three hands on another "site" last night and got dealt a pocket pair each time. I flopped a set each time and made a full house each time.
    That never happens three times in a row on Sky Poker - must be rigged.   :-)))
  • edited July 2010
    In Response to computer generated poker:
    after stopping playing on sky for 6 months, believing through statistic compiliation that far too many amazing hands and beats occur, i have returned(not without some success) to find the same occuring! my question is this: however random why should the average punter on sky believe that the computer generators are not tweaked to make this happen? for my part watching and playing live i know it doesn't happen with the same frequency??? SO, comments welcome! Stoneface 1.
    Posted by stoneface1
    1st of all apologies for flopping the set of aces on the river against your set of 7s stoneface :-) If it's any consolation I crashed out ridicuously close to the bubble (for about the 5th big tourney in a row here. grrr) when my all in with KK got called with A6 and two 6s came.

    Ace Barry gives the reason perfectly though. Plus it was a Bounty Hunter so play is generally looser.
  • edited July 2010
    In Response to Re: computer generated poker:
    Day-Saver to Area 51 Please.
    Posted by emilyegg
    sitting here laugfghinh emily so mushy thyr cant dsee keyhborf
  • edited July 2010

    How do people believe companies as big and public as SKY would get get away with such things?? Amazes me

  • edited July 2010
    In Response to Re: computer generated poker:
    How do people believe companies as big and public as SKY would get get away with such things?? Amazes me
    Posted by JohnConnor
    It amazes a lot of us but it doesn't seem to stop the endless flow of idiotic posts.
  • edited July 2010
    In Response to Re: computer generated poker:
    In Response to Re: computer generated poker : It amazes a lot of us but it doesn't seem to stop the endless flow of idiotic posts.
    Posted by MereNovice
    OK mere i understand BUT you now gonna tell me that not just SKY VEGAS but ALL online casinos are NOT rigged? Which sets the same question WHY would they risk it?
  • edited July 2010
    hi acebarry,
    thnx bandini ;)
    tothose that think i'm stoopid or need to visit another planet, think again. i wasn't speaking personally and i am aware of a variety of factors that can lead to outdraws. however, math is math and 52 cards do not create random odds or hands. quite the opposite and the more you watch,or play, the more the stats should come to bare!!! i'm not convinced Barry,lol, and my mathematical mind is burning with doubt???
    hope you're well pal.  ;)
  • edited July 2010
    Plonker

    Looooony bin
  • edited July 2010
    In Response to Re: computer generated poker:
    In Response to Re: computer generated poker : OK mere i understand BUT you now gonna tell me that not just SKY VEGAS but ALL online casinos are NOT rigged? Which sets the same question WHY would they risk it?
    Posted by dav1964
    Only once went on Sky Vegas to test a roulette theory I had. Doubled my bet every time because then you'll eventually win? 8 reds in a row. 256/1 for that to happen. Hmm. They must have software to protect against this obvious no lose bet I suppose but I had to try it.
  • edited July 2010
    In Response to Re: computer generated poker:
    Plonker Looooony bin
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    You soooooo luv that P word ;o)
  • edited July 2010
    In Response to Re: computer generated poker:
    hi acebarry, thnx bandini ;) tothose that think i'm stoopid or need to visit another planet, think again. i wasn't speaking personally and i am aware of a variety of factors that can lead to outdraws. however, math is math and 52 cards do not create random odds or hands. quite the opposite and the more you watch,or play, the more the stats should come to bare!!! i'm not convinced Barry,lol, and my mathematical mind is burning with doubt??? hope you're well pal.  ;)
    Posted by stoneface1
    52 cards do produce random odds and hands - EVERY time that they are dealt.

    If you truly have a "mathematical mind" then I'm sure that you realise this.


  • ybyb
    edited July 2010
    So we won't be seeing you on here any time soon then?
  • edited July 2010
    In Response to Re: computer generated poker:
    In Response to Re: computer generated poker : OK mere i understand BUT you now gonna tell me that not just SKY VEGAS but ALL online casinos are NOT rigged? Which sets the same question WHY would they risk it?
    Posted by dav1964
    I really cannot comment on ALL online casinos because I don't have the pertinent facts to hand.

    I do, however, feel confident that Sky is not trying to skim a few quid off the top of a few games of poker. It makes no sense at any level of logical reasoning.

    I think sometimes that you are trying to make humorous posts but I can never be sure. Can you please add ;-) at the end of any attempted humorous post in future so that I don't reply in the wrong vein.

    Thanks.
  • edited July 2010
    In Response to computer generated poker:
    after stopping playing on sky for 6 months, believing through statistic compiliation that far too many amazing hands and beats occur, i have returned(not without some success) to find the same occuring! my question is this: however random why should the average punter on sky believe that the computer generators are not tweaked to make this happen? for my part watching and playing live i know it doesn't happen with the same frequency??? SO, comments welcome! Stoneface 1.
    Posted by stoneface1
    I love the ideathat you can tweak an RNG, tweak something that just produces a random number, just how exactly can it be tweaked!

    I was dealing a tourney last night at Alea Casino Leeds, I had 4 4 and the chap sat next to me had 7 7, the flop was 4 4 7.

    I shuffled the cards, I dealt the cards, I won with quads, do you think the people at the table thought I may have "tweaked" the deal? LOL

    I love the way you mention your statistical analysis yet fail to give us any hard evidence from your work! May I suggest your analysis is not exactly comprehensive? Was it over 2 or 3 million hands?


  • edited July 2010
    In Response to Re: computer generated poker:
    In Response to Re: computer generated poker : I really cannot comment on ALL online casinos because I don't have the pertinent facts to hand. I do, however, feel confident that Sky is not trying to skim a few quid off the top of a few games of poker. It makes no sense at any level of logical reasoning. I think sometimes that you are trying to make humorous posts but I can never be sure. Can you please add ;-) at the end of any attempted humorous post in future so that I don't reply in the wrong vein. Thanks.
    Posted by MereNovice
    Soz as usual mate ;o) but the question has always baffled me and probably many others.IF and i do mean IF online casinos are a scam then what else could in theory be a scam ? I mean who actually does regulate all of this? The company that would not exist if online gambling didnt exist? Im not convinced either way and WILL NOT quit as i luv the game and the community.But as many have said in the past and prob in the future NOBODY can possibly know BEYOND ALL DOUBT for sure.dav
  • edited July 2010
    merenovice,, nothing with fixed odds is ever random,,that is a contradiction of terms :)

    DOOOHHHHHHH,, you are worthy of your name!!
  • edited July 2010

    I think the following blog is essential reading for this topic:

    http://www.billrini.com/category/is-online-poker-rigged/

    Thoughtful and informative stuff. (With a bit of humour too).
  • edited July 2010
    In Response to Re: computer generated poker:
    merenovice,, nothing with fixed odds is ever random,,that is a contradiction of terms :) DOOOHHHHHHH,, you are worthy of your name!!
    Posted by stoneface1
    nonsense


  • edited July 2010
    In Response to Re: computer generated poker:
    In Response to computer generated poker : I love the ideathat you can tweak an RNG, tweak something that just produces a random number, just how exactly can it be tweaked! I was dealing a tourney last night at Alea Casino Leeds, I had 4 4 and the chap sat next to me had 7 7, the flop was 4 4 7. I shuffled the cards, I dealt the cards, I won with quads, do you think the people at the table thought I may have "tweaked" the deal? LOL I love the way you mention your statistical analysis yet fail to give us any hard evidence from your work! May I suggest your analysis is not exactly comprehensive? Was it over 2 or 3 million hands?
    Posted by SolarCarro
    I dont doubt this for 1 min mate,its poker and it happens (i play live myself) the doubters arm themselves however that this kind of scenario happens every FEW deals.And in fairness to them i witness this all day long,week in week out,month after month.dav
  • edited July 2010
    Let me just post a few ideas on the topic of a "rigged" site because I'm feeling slightly indulgent tonight.

    1. It would be quite difficult, technically, to design a poker site that played normally almost all of the time but occasionally favoured a certain (type of) player.

    2. The process of designing/implementing software is quite complex. To design software that did this would involve AT LEAST the following level of people.

    The Clients (who asked for it)
    The Development Management (who agreed to it)
    The Business Analyst (who did did the high level analysis to ensure that it was worthwhile and reasonable)
    The Functional Analyst (who designed the processes for how it would work)
    The Technical Analyst (who designed the technical processes to make it work)
    The Programmers (who wrote the computer programs to make it work)
    The Technical Test Team (who ensured that the system worked as it is supposed to,technically)
    The Functional Test Team (who ensured that the system is "fit for purpose", functionally).
    Quality Assurance staff at every level who review the processes to ensure that they are working correctly.

    There would be several other people/groups who would also be involved at some stage of the development - external auditors would certainly be involved.


    So, considering how many people (and groups) would be aware of this "fraud" and the possibility of a leak from any one of them, does it make any sense at any level for a company such as Sky (or any other reputable company) to be involved in anything of this nature when they stand to gain a couple of quid or lose an empire?


  • edited July 2010
    As a TD for live events, i know how things happen live and i play online more than i do live so i can get some sort of just of bad beat ratios.

    I happen to notice at my live event since the start of June, we've had numbers consistantly 3 tabled. Now ive seen KK v AA 4 times, 3 of those times the Kings have won, one of them the Kings actually hit a four card straight with the trip ace on the river.

    Ive also seen a nut flush beaten by a runner runner straight flush, i also was at a live game last night and got rivered 4 times.

    I'd say the ratio is about perfect. However because you play more hands online than you do live mostly because hands are delt quicker youll see it more often.
  • edited July 2010
    In Response to Re: computer generated poker:
    merenovice,, nothing with fixed odds is ever random,,that is a contradiction of terms :) DOOOHHHHHHH,, you are worthy of your name!!
    Posted by stoneface1
    you really have no idea what you are talking about.  eg coin flip.. probability of heads 0.5, odds 1/1.. evens,, fixed.   the coin flip produces what result?  a random one.  D'oh!!!!



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