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I read the poker clinic to give advice where I see fit - and learn from others who have a better understanding of the game. My advice to you is post if you like, but when people try and help you, instead of arguing back and trying to fight a losing corner, accept you might be wrong.
I'll say it one more time - based on a wider range you have the odds to make this call - fine. But I'm telling you now, no-one on Sky re-raises to 1500 with 1700 behind with a hand worse than TT or AK, and that's being generous. I would go as far to say his hand is basically either AA or KK. Obviously he should be shoving but he didn't. Calling here is just throwing money and chips away for lols in the hope u bink some miraculous flop.
Luckily for the fish this time he won - but do this 100 times and I guarantee you will lose money.
And if playing poker is your 'job' (dole ftw), I doubt that's something you really want to be doing.
Fwiw I'll sit at your table any time you like.
villain in the hand posted has played the hand poorly. obviously he won but in the long run the way he played this hand would suggest that he is leaking chips in spots where he really shouldnt. the raise pre flop is at best questionable and not something i would personally do.
the call on the flop only makes sense because of the bad decisions made beforehand - this imo is what is causing arguments.
the odds on the call make it mathematically explainable but again as has now been very clearly pointed the hero in the hand has shown a lot of strength in the way he played the hand pre flop and the 10 9 can expect to ahead a very small % of the time.
the best possible result when holding the 10 9 in this hand is to be shown AK. more often than not the 10 9 does not win this hand.
for the record i am not on the dole you arrogant monkey i own my own valet company which runs without me. And notice how u didnt comment back on Talons post.
Ur problem is with me and you cant get over the fact that there is more than one way to play this hand. If u want to learn maybe u should take both sides of the coin.
I dont argue back i question everyones advice thats how u improve ur game!!!!!
Now please go back and read Talons post above and from that you will realise if your tiny brain allows it to happen that the call isnt a bad call! It may well be optimistic but not a bad call.
And i aint a fish sonny boy i would of been ahead on the flop on this hand and stayed ahead!! (is that fishing?)
You have made my day today with ur childish primary school insults!!
I will be playing nl30 upwards tonyt so come and find me please i will be happy to teach u a lesson
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Kalie
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this is old news now anyway lol
Indeed, in fact there are many ways to play any hand...
Stop being so results orientated. As people have stated, over time this will not happen.
Sigh. I've tried hard not to insult you. It is difficult though.
Good luck 'tonyt'.
enough said im not going to bother with the slanging match just you obviously havent played batkin she is very good and consistent reads the game well so can call with any 2 she pleases
re point about shouldnt advice people to play 10 9 she isnt! shes just saying that you can narrow op hand down so easy to go with after flop or not
regards
secondly not that she can outplay anyone fwiw just read it back the villain could easily get away from the hand and will know exactly where they are cant see op play high pp this way could have low pp or overcards so with the call which is just under 3 -1 so could think hey ill take my chances
In Response to Re: was he right to call?: i think u need to get a life robot
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm well i give up trying to explain why the odds are correct for the call.
However the pre raise isnt gr8 UTG but once thats been made you have to call implied odds and all.
Pryce i think u are 50-50 here in scaring off a 1st poster.
Like i said at the start when i offered my opinion and didnt say anyone else was wrong and didnt pick anyone elses posts to pieces i agree with the call and its one i could and would make in BH or most MTT's considering stack sizes. I may have come across the wrong way in some posts but hey ho i am not a rude person im just blunt.
U have insulted me trying to tell ppl im on the dole whereas im actually a mum of 1 who owns her own company.
I would like to apologise to the original poster as this has ruined his thread and like to thank eagles for his apology and hope he recieved mine back.
Pryce u need to realise to be a winnnig player and to help others your way isnt always correct and it has been proven with good solid facts in Talons thread.
If u honestly think every re raise pre is overcards then fair enough but he could be stealing or anything here as short stacked. (bet if u had small stack like that u would shove here with AK)
And for the record this isnt me calling in the post it is a different player.
If there is a right way to play everything then whats the point in playing poker?
Odds say call... Implied odds say call... Pryce says fold
What would u do???
In Response to Re: was he right to call?:
yep cool. like i said to ya its not personal i just disagree with what your sayin lol. opinions vary.
I aint been on sky for a while but gotta say reading through some of the threads/posts it seems lately its the blind leading the blind lol. but there are some v good players here who offer some great advice (ironically players who in the past ive argued/disagreed with on occasions believing i know better - when infact i didnt have a clue!) but tbh u really should listen & try to understand it because its sound advice.
as for this hand my advice would be to listen to the advice pryce has given or certainly dont just dismiss it because imo what he is saying is pretty much spot-on. but at the end of the day its your money & you can play the game how you wish - but if so many ppl are disagreein with your thought processes, ask yourself why?
gl at the tables
i didnt disagree with pryce i think his way is absolutely fine its probably how i would play it in a cash game but the whole point of the clinic is to get different opinions and both sides of the coin.
As its a new day im going to end this debate cause its not going anywhere at the end of the day there are ppl agreeing with me aswell as pryces its LAG V'S TAG at the end of the day.
Quite enjoyed the debate apart from the insults
I wonder if thats gonna stop dohhhhhhhhh from perving at ya now lol.
Talon's logic is flawed because underpairs must be heavily discounted given hero has put half is stack in the middle rather than shoving. And an overpair is more likely than overcards tbh so the villain is just going to lose more chips when he hits most of the time as has already been said. Also he won't get to realise all his equity against overcards anyway as hero is shoving any flop.
In hero's position I'd just shove pre given that most randomers on sky raising utg aren't folding w/e we make it. Obv the call with T9 is shocking though.
i dunno if i PM u back but cheers for them tips helped loads
Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind.
In Response to Re: was he right to call?:
NH
In Response to Re: was he right to call?:
fwiw this player has been on Sky for a while.
Batkin I meant no offence to you as a person honestly. Your opinions and posts were just so flawed and tbh everything you've said in this thread has been ridiculous. What I said is right, you should never play this another way. Btw I would be 100% more likely to make this call in a cash game where your opponents stack gives you some sort of implied odds. The point people are trying to make is given his short stack a move like this is almost always a monster - as in he wants to give you the odds to call.
Btw I meant nothing by the dole comment. I just assumed when you said this was 'your job' that you were a fish that had lucked their way to a few hundred - and actually believed that this was some kind of career. If you actually own a company I do apologise, just don't confuse people by trying to claim fishing on sky poker is some kind of lucrative full time job for you.