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Double standards by Sky Broadcasting

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  • Sky_MandySky_Mandy
    edited January 2011
    In Response to Re: Double standards by Sky Broadcasting:
    In Response to Re: Double standards by Sky Broadcasting : 11.19? Nearly an hour later and she still aint managed to turn it on? Get a bloke to go and give her a hand.
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    Sooooo impatient!!!  Stuck in traffic, couldn't park, 2 million emails, and a half hour meeting later, and I've just arrived here - give me 5 minutes JJ!!!! :)
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  • MAXALLYMAXALLY
    edited January 2011
    In Response to Re: Double standards by Sky Broadcasting:
    In Response to Re: Double standards by Sky Broadcasting : Sooooo impatient!!!  Stuck in traffic, couldn't park, 2 million emails, and a half hour meeting later, and I've just arrived here - give me 5 minutes JJ!!!! :)
    Posted by Sky_Mandy

    Yes JJ....let her make the tea 1st at least!

    * INSERT BIGGER SMILEY HERE *
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  • Sky_MandySky_Mandy
    edited January 2011
    In Response to Re: Double standards by Sky Broadcasting:
    In Response to Re: Double standards by Sky Broadcasting : Yes JJ....let her make the tea 1st at least! * INSERT BIGGER SMILEY HERE *
    Posted by MAXALLY
    **tumbleweed**
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  • Sky_MandySky_Mandy
    edited January 2011
    Thank you everyone for your comments.

    Firstly, may I say that anything said on the show is never meant to offend or upset anyone, and it is all said in good humour, so I sincerely apologise if anyone has been remotely offended.

    Secondly, I may not always be aware of what the presenters/analyst are about to say, and I may often tell them off for elaborating upon stories about myself etc, but I take it in the manner in which it is meant - all in good humour.  If I felt someone had crossed the line, I would be the first to say something.

    I hope that you continue to enjoy watching the channel, as much as I enjoy working here.

    Many thanks.
    Mandy
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  • BelovedLtdBelovedLtd
    edited January 2011
    In Response to Re: Double standards by Sky Broadcasting:
    What gray and keys said was ment to be a private conversation,and are entitled to there opinions,it was just unfortunate that there mikes were still on.So should we sack everyone for there opinions.Where do we draw the line.If the remark was made about a male offical,would they be making such a fuss,no i dont think so. Plenty of football officals are regularly blasted by pundits,managers,footballers,and the press,and suprisingly these guys all keep there jobs. This has been blown all out of proportion,just because the remarks were made about a woman,so if women want eqaulity,they have to roll with the punches ,just the same as there male counterparts. Do women want eqaulity only when it suits them????
    Posted by thejudge10

    The ability of some officials is questioned by pundits on a regular basis because of incorrect decisions they make.

    The difference here was that every decision she made was correct and they were questioning her ability just because she's a woman.

    Andy Gray was sacked for the other things that have come up rather than this comment - that's why Keys wasn't.

    EDIT: and it wasn't a private conversation, they were at work not at home.

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  • donkeyplopdonkeyplop
    edited January 2011
    Can we have more sexual innuendos on 865 please??

    Some of what said is comedy gold!


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  • NODEALNODEAL
    edited January 2011
    In Response to Re: Double standards by Sky Broadcasting:
    In Response to Re: Double standards by Sky Broadcasting : The ability of some officials is questioned by pundits on a regular basis because of incorrect decisions they make. The difference here was that every decision she made was correct and they were questioning her ability just because she's a woman. Andy Gray was sacked for the other things that have come up rather than this comment - that's why Keys wasn't. EDIT: and it wasn't a private conversation, they were at work not at home.
    Posted by BelovedLtd
    There is nothing wrong with questioning a persons ability period for whatever reason one wants.

    And there is a reason to question a womans ability to ref a football match to the same standard as a man.

    WE must not lose our right to question anything.
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  • spornybolspornybol
    edited January 2011
    THE FIRST COMMENT THEY MADE WAS JUST A BIT SEXISM TO A FEMALE LINES PERSON - BUT THE ONE IN THE PAPERS TODAY WAS JUST CRUDE AND COULD BE ALSO BE CALLED AS SEXAUL HARRASMENT, SO THE FIRST YOU CAN GET AWAY WITH AS IT JUST TONGUE IN CHEEK WE ALL DO, BUT THE SECOND, WHETHER MENT AS JOKE OR NOT IS JUST NOT ON, IT IS STILL UNDER SEXUAL HARRASMENT WHICH I`M SURE EVEYONE WOULD AGREE IS NOT ON



    EDIT ; DOES THAT MEAN RICHORFORD FOR THE CHOP FOR ALL THE SEXAUL HARRASMENT HE GIVES HIMSELF WITH GETTING HIS HAND STUCK UNDER THE TABLE ???








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  • NODEALNODEAL
    edited January 2011
    In Response to Re: Double standards by Sky Broadcasting:
    THE FIRST COMMENT THEY MADE WAS JUST A BIT SEXISM TO A FEMALE LINES PERSON - BUT THE ONE IN THE PAPERS TODAY WAS JUST CRUDE AND COULD BE ALSO BE CALLED AS SEXAUL HARRASMENT, SO THE FIRST YOU CAN GET AWAY WITH AS IT JUST TONGUE IN CHEEK WE ALL DO, BUT THE SECOND, WHETHER MENT AS JOKE OR NOT IS JUST NOT ON, IT IS STILL UNDER SEXUAL HARRASMENT WHICH I`M SURE EVEYONE WOULD AGREE IS NOT ON
    Posted by spornybol
    Yes I agree with the point you make,    But I think there is a deeper agenda here in that the one reason they chose to go for him was the female ref issue..  IMO he was being used to try and rob the general public of the right to question anything they want to push our way.
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited January 2011
     If you think about it the refs and their assistants have to run, watch, listen, make decisions and communicate often all at the same time. Such multi-tasking is no job for us men if you think about it logically women are far more suited for the job.
     
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  • spornybolspornybol
    edited January 2011
    In Response to Re: Double standards by Sky Broadcasting:
    In Response to Re: Double standards by Sky Broadcasting : Yes I agree with the point you make,    But I think there is a deeper agenda here in that the one reason they chose to go for him was the female ref issue..  IMO he was being used to try and rob the general public of the right to question anything they want to push our way.
    Posted by NODEAL
    OFF COURSE THE FIRST ONE DID NOT HELP AS HE`S IN THE PUBLIC EYE, BUT THE SECOND ONE SO SOON AFTER WAS JUST CRUDE
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  • offshootoffshoot
    edited January 2011
    In Response to Re: Double standards by Sky Broadcasting:
    In Response to Re: Double standards by Sky Broadcasting : So what if andy gray doubted her ability to do the job,    Not right.... but lesser than lets say the top 100 male refs,   there is no way that she got the job because she was the best for the job,   possative discrimination Imo,  Top footballers can run nearly as fast as world class sprinters,    I would very much doubt that she could live up to the abilities of her co refs phisically. Imo people are being brainwashed by the media and they are scared to say what they realy think,  we are giving all of our power away,   we need to stop the trolls at the top level of the media controlling what we think, I know what some might think of this post...     oh oh   we have a male chauvinist in our midst,   but no im not,    males and females ARE different,    females excell where males dont,    males excell where females dont,   people are not equal in all diciplines,    Thats just a fact of life. I started a post on this in the shed yesterday and pointed out that IMO if andy gray was willing to wear a dress and camp it up he could say whatever he wanted and get away with anything. They were out to get him simply because he is normal bloke and probably rubbed up some of pc brigade/mind controlling trolls the wrong way.
    Posted by NODEAL
    shes passed all the same tests that male refs have to go through so i dont see why you would think she isnt fit for the job? its seems like you have the same pre concieved notions that Gray and Keys have which are sexist. Youre saying she cant keep up with top footballers, so youre imlying that all these male refs are Usain Bolt now? Of course you have probably never seen her officiate before but she OBVIOUSLY must only have made it to the premiership because of positive discrimination, there can be no other reason!!

    Ofc to top of your post you wheel out the classic "PC brigade" line used by every narrow minded person ever.
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  • NODEALNODEAL
    edited January 2011
    In Response to Re: Double standards by Sky Broadcasting:
     If you think about it the refs and their assistants have to run, watch, listen, make decisions and communicate often all at the same time. Such multi-tasking is no job for us men if you think about it logically women are far more suited for the job.  
    Posted by Donut64
    I would question that and reserve my right and yours and andy grays right to question that,   If we we give up this right then we truly are stupid
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  • HITMAN_RVHITMAN_RV
    edited January 2011
    I am Taking some clients to the Fulham V Tottenham game this sunday!!

    When I just read that the referee and both his assistants will be MEN, I nearly spat out my prawn sandwich!!

    What a disaster it will be, poor decisions, tantrums, and even cryin if they dont make the headlines!!

    I may even give up my cosy box, and go and sit in the cold stands with those 'real colourful' footie fans, [sc um in our oighty toughty circles], in the stands!! Hope they are not too smelly!! What makes me laugh is they get there early, sing & stuff, to create an 'atmosphere', then they dont leave early either, letting Me & Hugh Grant get to our Mercs in plenty of time, for fine dining at the Riverside Cafe!! Do you get season tickets on benefits these days?

    Anyway least it gives me a semblance of 'in touch' with the lower remedial classes, just like a once yearly visit to the post office!!

    Fulham is such a posh club really, we even allow MEN to serve the wine, then cant wait to get home and play with my 'posh' Skypoker friends in the elite £22 Deep-stack club at 7.15pm, we even allow girls and teachers to play in that, as a 'token' gesture!! Sky Mandy can even chat in the box!

    Hope that has offended everyone, would hate to have anyone feeling excluded, thats not PC u know!!
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  • NODEALNODEAL
    edited January 2011
    In Response to Re: Double standards by Sky Broadcasting:
    In Response to Re: Double standards by Sky Broadcasting : shes passed all the same tests that male refs have to go through so i dont see why you would think she isnt fit for the job? its seems like you have the same pre concieved notions that Gray and Keys have which are sexist. Youre saying she cant keep up with top footballers, so youre imlying that all these male refs are Usain Bolt now? Of course you have probably never seen her officiate before but she OBVIOUSLY must only have made it to the premiership because of positive discrimination, there can be no other reason!! Ofc to top of your post you wheel out the classic "PC brigade" line used by every narrow minded person ever.
    Posted by offshoot
    Ok so lets put the pc stuff to the side for a bit,   the main issue  here is ones right to question another persons ability is at stake,     you sound like you have givin up this right,    I will never give up my right to question anything,  to do so would be the end of free thinking,     he questioned her ability     soo what?      I would be the first person to stand by your right to have/express your opinion,      you want to take mine and others away.


    who realy is narrow minded?    by the way    you are an excelent ring poker cash player whitch suggests a good level of intelect,   im surprised by your opinion but would never seek to remove your right to express it.
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited January 2011
    In Response to Re: Double standards by Sky Broadcasting:
    In Response to Re: Double standards by Sky Broadcasting : I would question that and reserve my right and yours and andy grays right to question that,   If we we give up this right then we truly are stupid
    Posted by NODEAL
     Sure its a right to question someones abillity to do a job but to say a woman as not got the abillity to learn the offside rule is just poposterous and is not a valid reason for her not to do the job. His inabillity to be impatrtial when commentating was a big flaw in his abillity to do his job and for that reason he should have been replaced along time ago.
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  • spornybolspornybol
    edited January 2011
    In Response to Re: Double standards by Sky Broadcasting:
    I am Taking some clients to the Fulham V Tottenham game this sunday!! When I just read that the referee and both his assistants will be MEN, I nearly spat out my prawn sandwich!! What a disaster it will be, poor decisions, tantrums, and even cryin if they dont make the headlines!! I may even give up my cosy box, and go and sit in the cold stands with those 'real colourful' footie fans, [sc um in our oighty toughty circles], in the stands!! Hope they are not too smelly!! What makes me laugh is they get there early, sing & stuff, to create an 'atmosphere', then they dont leave early either, letting Me & Hugh Grant get to our Mercs in plenty of time, for fine dining at the Riverside Cafe!! Do you get season tickets on benefits these days? Anyway least it gives me a semblance of 'in touch' with the lower remedial classes, just like a once yearly visit to the post office!! Fulham is such a posh club really, we even allow MEN to serve the wine, then cant wait to get home and play with my 'posh' Skypoker friends in the elite £22 Deep-stack club at 7.15pm, we even allow girls and teachers to play in that, as a 'token' gesture!! Sky Mandy can even chat in the box! Hope that has offended everyone, would hate to have anyone feeling excluded, thats not PC u know!!
    Posted by HITMAN_RV

    your first disaster is taken you client`s ( hope there not female client`s ) is takiing them to watch fulham v tootingham
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  • NODEALNODEAL
    edited January 2011
    In Response to Re: Double standards by Sky Broadcasting:
    In Response to Re: Double standards by Sky Broadcasting :  Sure its a right to question someones abillity to do a job but to say a woman as not got the abillity to learn the offside rule is just poposterous and is not a valid reason for her not to do the job. His inabillity to be impatrtial when commentating was a big flaw in his abillity to do his job and for that reason he should have been replaced along time ago.
    Posted by Donut64
    If I were a football pundet on tv and I questioned a womans ability to ref because I felt she did not match up to the phisical capabilities of other male refs then any opposing views should be aired and heard,    for us to accept that he is sacked for having such a view is a step backwards and quiet frankly dangerous to us all.

    I agree that If they said they were sacking him because he was crude and offended a female and she complained then there has been a claim of misconduct then he has to take the considerd opinion of a judge and roll with it.     but in this case they highlighted the ref issue and it is in my opinion a brainwashing tactic to get us all to relinquish our right to question whatever we want to question
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  • spornybolspornybol
    edited January 2011
    why move this to shed, it`s getting a good and fair response in gen chat ?
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited January 2011
    In Response to Re: Double standards by Sky Broadcasting:
    In Response to Re: Double standards by Sky Broadcasting : If I were a football pundet on tv and I questioned a womans ability to ref because I felt she did not match up to the phisical capabilities of other male refs then any opposing views should be aired and heard,    for us to accept that he is sacked for having such a view is a step backwards and quiet frankly dangerous to us all. I agree that If they said they were sacking him because he was crude and offended a female and she complained then there has been a claim of misconduct then he has to take the considerd opinion of a judge and roll with it.     but in this case they highlighted the ref issue and it is in my opinion a brainwashing tactic to get us all to relinquish our right to question whatever we want to question
    Posted by NODEAL
      What right as anyone to judge a persons ability to do the job without seeing them perform first. What he did was mock someone because she was a woman doing what he sees as a mans job when what she really was , was a fully quallified referee that would have had to have already proven her physical ability and knowledge of all the rules.
     If we judge a persons sutability for a job on gender, race or on anything but their ability it is a big step backwards for the human race.
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited January 2011
    In Response to Re: Double standards by Sky Broadcasting:
     The comment was made without any knowledge of her ability and based on the fact she was a woman.
    Posted by logdon
     SNAP! x
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN
    edited January 2011
    I wish mandy would react a bit more :) love it when they mad...
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  • spornybolspornybol
    edited January 2011
    can i please point out he was sacked not because off the female line-person but because off the crude comment he made to another female commentater about putting his mic on down his trousers, which is sexual harrasment, the comment he made other day did not help so he was suspended till next week
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  • IRISHROVERIRISHROVER
    edited January 2011

    After some research seems this is what nailed him .

    The new evidence, a third clip posted yesterday on the website YouTube, dated from last month and showed Gray in the studio before going on air, lewdly asking his co-presenter Charlotte Jackson to tuck in a microphone near his waist.
     News of Gray's sacking was stridently broken by his colleagues at Sky News yesterday. They reported a statement by the Sky Sports managing director Barney Francis, who said: "We have no hesitation in taking this action after becoming aware of new information."

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhXAQD-OUYI
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  • spornybolspornybol
    edited January 2011
    In Response to Re: Double standards by Sky Broadcasting:
    After some research seems this is what nailed him . The new evidence, a third clip posted yesterday on the website YouTube, dated from last month and showed Gray in the studio before going on air, lewdly asking his co-presenter Charlotte Jackson to tuck in a microphone near his waist.  News of Gray's sacking was stridently broken by his colleagues at Sky News yesterday. They reported a statement by the Sky Sports managing director Barney Francis, who said: "We have no hesitation in taking this action after becoming aware of new information." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhXAQD-OUYI
    Posted by IRISHROVER
    that`s what i said two post up lol
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  • NODEALNODEAL
    edited January 2011
    In Response to Re: Double standards by Sky Broadcasting:
    In Response to Re: Double standards by Sky Broadcasting :  SNAP! x
    Posted by Donut64
    Answer to both posts,      Even if his opinion was ill advised and based on a lack of knowlage he/we still have that right to express be wrong and learn.

    to sack anyone for this is wrong wrong wrong.

    IMO woman refs in snooker is fine,    Woman ref in football can be questioned,   If I want to say that to the world on tv there is nothing more than my opinion going out to the world.    to sack me for it sends a message.

    That message is     express that type of opinion and you will all suffer

    No one/government/media/   will tell me what is ok to think      I also would never force via threats to make anyone think the same as me.     

    rational debate is healthy
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  • NODEALNODEAL
    edited January 2011
    In Response to Re: Double standards by Sky Broadcasting:
    can i please point out he was sacked not because off the female line-person but because off the crude comment he made to another female commentater about putting his mic on down his trousers, which is sexual harrasment, the comment he made other day did not help so he was suspended till next week
    Posted by spornybol
    Yeah  I coverd that point in an earlier post
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  • NODEALNODEAL
    edited January 2011
    In Response to Re: Double standards by Sky Broadcasting:
    After some research seems this is what nailed him . The new evidence, a third clip posted yesterday on the website YouTube, dated from last month and showed Gray in the studio before going on air, lewdly asking his co-presenter Charlotte Jackson to tuck in a microphone near his waist.  News of Gray's sacking was stridently broken by his colleagues at Sky News yesterday. They reported a statement by the Sky Sports managing director Barney Francis, who said: "We have no hesitation in taking this action after becoming aware of new information." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhXAQD-OUYI
    Posted by IRISHROVER
    Ok   soo he made the mistake of expressing his opinion on woman refs,     they note that and dont like it,    What do they do next?       answer     They look for any other evidence of missconduct retrospectively,   They find a realy good piece of evidence where he was realy crude and desrves to be at least investigated more,    They then put the issue of the woman ref as high point being broadcast at same time.

    I realy believe this is a warning to other broadcasting pundets/tv personalities     Dont dare question the pc agenda      YOUR JOBS MAY BE AT RISK.
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  • NODEALNODEAL
    edited January 2011
    In Response to Re: Double standards by Sky Broadcasting:
    Give a Man enough Rope and just like my Hubby who thinks he can say what he likes when he likes.
    Posted by logdon
    You do agree with me though that we all have a right to have/express our opinions     right??
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited January 2011
    In Response to Re: Double standards by Sky Broadcasting:
    In Response to Re: Double standards by Sky Broadcasting : Answer to both posts,      Even if his opinion was ill advised and based on a lack of knowlage he/we still have that right to express be wrong and learn. to sack anyone for this is wrong wrong wrong. IMO woman refs in snooker is fine,    Woman ref in football can be questioned,   If I want to say that to the world on tv there is nothing more than my opinion going out to the world.    to sack me for it sends a message. That message is     express that type of opinion and you will all suffer No one/government/media/   will tell me what is ok to think      I also would never force via threats to make anyone think the same as me.      rational debate is healthy
    Posted by NODEAL
     But insighting bigotry by claiming a woman cant do job just because she is a woman is not healthy. Just like a man she had to prove herself first before she got the job and she did.
     Can I ask if you went for an interview with all the ability and qualafications to be able to do the job and without interviewing you they decided you didnt look like you could do the job. Then later you found out they mocked you for even applying in the first place!  Would this be OK in your view?
     We all have the right to think what we like but we also the responsability to use our words wisely and not try to stop others from doing what they have studied and trained to do just because we dont feel it is right.
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