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By the way, dont worry, the people in charge are firmly on your side, When the next generation comes along they will all be brainwashed, they will be told what to think enfocable by law.
we will have to agree to dissagree on this point, But I would never dream of taking away your ability to earn a living to survive because you held a different opinion than me no matter what you believed , Even if you were racest.
Derogatory comments of this nature should not be permitted in the workplace and are not in the best interests of the company. This does not mean that we should'nt have an opinion, but we should be aware of the rules for harassment in our working environment and keep our personal opinions separate from the work place.
If for instance if we worked for a well known crisps company, it might be our personal opinion that the crisps which they manufactured were rubbish, however, if you were to express this opinion publicly, your remarks would most likely result in disciplinary action.
I still hear many people make racist remarks in the pub from time to time, that is their personal opinion and theres nothing I can do about it, however, if these same remarks were made in a working environment then they would be disciplined.
So do we have "a right to express our opinions"?
Answer: Not in the workplace if it can be deemed as offensive.
Changes to the equality Act 2010 (Businesses)
The definition of harassment now means an employee who simply overhears an offensive comment, even if it's not directed at them, can hold a company legally responsible for it.
Its seems strange to defend a mans job when his views are clearly the woman shouldnt of got her job because of her gender. So if he had his way she woundnt have her job but he would have his.
I think we all have a right to our own opinion but I also think people have the right to get on with their lives without others trying to hold them back because of gender, race, sexuality or class.
Hopefully thats me done on this subject.
An act is a rule enfored by law, there are lots of acts that infringe upon human rights and therefore cant be used as evidence to establish what is right and what is not, just because a company can hold someone legally responsable for someones comments does not refute my statements, I believe any company should be able to sack any employee for breaking thier rules, I am not saying they didnt have the right to sack him because clearly they do, I am saying that if he was sacked for his opinion on woman refs only then we all have something to think about regarding what is an acceptable opinion and what is not.
seems to me is that the majority of the population have bought into this idea and dont realy understand the implications of what can only be described as a monopoly media tell us all what opinions we should hold and sending the message that this is what happens to those who dont agree with us.
IF a person can be sacked for saying a woman ref is a stupid idea on national media then it is a big issue and imo should alert people to ask the question why is it soo bad?
My personal belief is that there is that this type of message will become more frequent and we all have ourselves to blame.
the law is only governed by the consent of the people, if we consent too much they will just keep making new rules/acts untill we can hardly say anything or turn a corner without breakking the law/rules.
he has to acount for his actions in that case.
the opinion on the woman ref is merely an opinion and an opinion that is held by more than him, imo should be debated not squashed.
we realy dont dissagree
KEEPING UP WITH THE PLAY IS A BIG PART OF REFS JOB.
MEN ARE FASTER THAN WOMAN
FAT SLOW MEN SHOULD ALSO BE EXCLUDED FROM REFS JOB
IF THEY BROUGHT IN USING TV REPLAYS FOR ALL SITUATIONS IN FOOTBALL REFING THEN WOMAN WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE
IF I WORKED AS A TV PUNDET SHOULD I BE SACKED FOR AIRING MY OPINION?
WOULD A PERCENTAGE OF THE POPULATION AGREE WITH ME?
SHOULD THIER OPINION BE HEARD?
SHOULD A MAN BE PUNNISHED FOR SEXUAL HARRASSMENT? YES WE DONT DISSAGREE ON THAT POINT
just a lot of femanist men in touch with thier female side fairies
Sadly, he was a name and probably the women were not. It's not really about the ref anymore..I for one was very disappointed to find out she had been removed from the Crewe v Bradford game!
Do I think AG should have been investigated and disciplined for his conduct in the workplace? Yes, however, it's surprising how it then enables those without a 'voice' to come forward...which highlights - publicly - how long and to what extent this has been going on for.
Do I think AG should keep his job JUST because he's on the telebox? No..but as any employee he has the right to appeal and I understand he is currently examining his options...
Re the OP...to try to compare AG's comments (a regular pundit on family friendly football matches) to the banter around Sky Poker (an over 18's gambling site & program) is irrelevant, I can only presume this comparason was to generate a reaction from the forum.
I for one would be extremely disappointed to find the poo, wee, sick, train, movies stories and banter between the analyst's, gallery and us stripped away from the channel...It's supposed to be entertainment!!!
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I fear that when she makes a mistake which they all do people will be easly convinced by the doubters of female refs it was because she was a women and not because she is only human.
I fear all we have proved with this discussion is that we have both got far to much time on our hands!
PS get a new photo bud you look like the ghost of christmass past with the one you have now
Ps Why have you not got a photo? Is it because you look worse than me? :P
there is no battle m8 only opinions and counter opinions, but if some get thier way there will only be one opinion and thats the one that is spoon fed to us.
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Should make plenty on here happy
All the best Richard
With all the floods, poverty, war, terrorism et cetera that go on in the world, I think it is sad that this is being blown out of all proportion.
I tried to explain that worse things are said publicly everyday, up and down the land in places of work, in pubs, at bus stops, in supermarkets, (not Aldi or Lidl) at home and almost EVERYWHERE.
She argued that I should try and see it from a woman's point of view, so I unplugged the TV, f****ed off to the kitchen with it and watched it in there.
pffffft.
The game was ok as it was, unfairly perhaps but it did not need female lines...er....women or over exited female commentators whether they were qualified or not.
Andy Gray has been out of order with women over a few years and a few incidents, not just at work and deserved sacking.
I think that these women are going to experience very harsh and offensive chanting and comments from the crowds at every game and especially the woman involved in all this who did a fantastic and professional job in the match she was involved in. women have every right to officiate at any game of football but it won't work simply because you have to change the attitudes and nature of millions of men, not just one, and it will never happen.
The abuse that male officials have to take already is insulting, vile and personal. The scenario that a female official is attractive or not, or looks like a bloke or skinny or fat or pregnant or has a hairdo or is ginger etc etc etc the list is endless and the ammount of wicked stick they are going to get just for the sheer fun of it will be relentless and never ending and one has to ask is it worth it and will it be to the benefit of mens football ?
The solution?? There isn't one. Before you know it the prawn sandwich brigade will turn into the pc brigade and people will be chucked out all over the place and more and more women will be attending matches and there will be an insistance of fair quotas of women officials and the whole bloomin thing will turn into a joke and i don't want any of this happening to the game that i love.
I know i am going to probably get some stick but i want womens footy to be in one place and mens footy to stay as it was but it's just because i don't want it to change, indeed, it did not need to.
I am glad that womens football (which i have watched) is getting more and more popular but that is where females should officiate and stay for their sake and for mens footballs sake. I am sorry ladies but the majority of male football supporters are not going to change into non-chauvinistic perfect gentlemen with an understanding and sensitive nature ever....never mind in a million years.
I dread to think what these women are going to be called and don't want to worry about it. I just want to watch footy and talk about it with my mates after.