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I know it doesn't make things right or reverse any bad ettiquette shown but you're still gonna be in the same place you are now. It's only bad now because he hit. If sim was shouiting call call call and he missed would you be thanking him?
What i'm trying to say is you gotta just move on and try again next month and put this into history or else it's gonna tilt you foirever. You deffo got the game to nab your seat!
glgl
Even so he wouldn't have had to interact with the rail to be effected by comments in it.
It was a very marginal decision and we'll never know what influence the comments made.
Hurst has handled himself very well. Apologies are all well and good but it doesn't take away from the fact that this was very wrong, and there is no way that sim didn't realise how wrong what he was saying was at the time.
I think Simmy Posted in the heat of the moment, & it was not malicious, & as such, is not a hanging offence. He made a mistake, most of us do now & then.
If he had a history of behaving improperly, I'm sure action would be taken.
It just strikes me as more than a little surprising that a very well known player puts in the chat box
CALL
CALL
CALL
CALL
and you someone who is normally more than happy to give his opinion on here had not come down heavily on this the moment you saw the thread. It was a Vegas final, the trip you lead, 3 players were left, one guy rr's AI and in the chat box it's CALL, CALL, CALL, CALL, not by some random oink, but by the esteemed blogger sim, a guy you do refer to very positively on the show, if you don't call him mate it's close. Your comment to contact customer care was underwhelming and is only easily understood if you don't want to be seen having a go at a “mate”
You are misunderstanding me, there is no hate not at all, I am genuinely surprised at you not wading into sim for his behaviour, behaviour that goes against the old school etiquette you more than anyone will be most familiar with.
(you have now stated Simmy was wrong, that he's apologised, that he made a bad mistake in the heat of the moment, but then oh dear....."There but for the grace of God go I, if not you" Come on Tikay you would never do this and nor would 99.9% of the players on here, this is the problem, you will not find any mitigating circumstances, he was wrong end of, it's easy to say, really it is.
I questioned your view "in the give cash a try" thread because I took exception with your comments, I was not alone in this, I genuinely believed you were leading the guys down the garden path and wanted to offer an opposing view. I'm no genius cash player but I have logged a few hands on here, am I not allowed to air a differing view?
I do genuinely feel you have more influence than you let on, it would be odd if you didn't, you have been with the site since the beginning and I'll admit the suits line does get my back up, but on the forum if you comment surely I can reply as I would to any other poster. It is good that you come on here, but if you do you should be willing to accept people have opposing views sometimes, I certainly am happy to accept this.
Affected bloke miffed by it.
Offending bloke offers full unreserved apology.
Affected bloke accepts said apology.
End of, surely?
Sim
Lets look at the post and see where I'm a troll? I can't see it, you had better point it out for me
The real issue is that too many people believe RNG's are rigged and won't play on-line any more, I know plenty. It is for the poker industry to prove beyond any doubt that the RNG's are right, surely it is in their best interests to do this, don't they want these doubters back? It strikes me as a little odd that nothing has been done to seriously address this issue, particularly now, when traffic volumes are falling on many sites. Here's our bit of paper from a company no ones ever heard of isn't enough to bring the doubters back, if they were authenticated by a well know reputable company that would be a start, how about Deloitte's or KPMG.
Sure we see more hands but the odds are the same, if your a 98% favourite you should expect to win 98 out of a 100 or 980 out of a 1000 etc, yet I can't move for Sklansky dollars. The “you see more hands on-line” argument is nonsense.
I'm not saying RNG's are rigged but I see things that make me wonder at their true randomness at times. Winning fish at the tables, keeps traffic higher for longer and keeps rake coming in not from a single hand but from the many the “lucky” fish continues to play, this seems a reasonable explanation for the number of truly shocking out draws, one many people might get, after all who's more likely to call miles behind, a fish or you sim?
For a man who was way out of order and has expressed his sorrow for this behaviour you do seem to have recovered very quickly. Me I'd be keeping my head down not throwing the troll line around and defo not in response to this post.
did you not want the call??? any pp in a 3 way is fave if you would just min raised and he shoved im sure you would of snapped him off. given the way he was playing imo he would off made the call regardless of chat. but the etiquette of this railer was bad i agree.
chin up fella theres always next month
the red mist will have lifted by then
gl for the next final
cheers james
In Response to Appauling chat etiquette on the bubble on VLV ft.:
in a normal tournie, yes.
not in this structure with 9.5k difference. he does not have to call.
anyway that has nothing to do with the issue in hand. the issue is disabling chat when someones all in. which shouldn't be THAT difficult, as it doesn't actually affect the userbility of the site in anyway (unlike auto top up etc)....personally I used to work in a techie environment and IT geeks like to overcomplicate things so that their jobs seem more important than they actually are. if they were pushed I don't think that the turnaround would be that long.
1) I never saw the comment in the Chat Box, & therefore, I'm not in a position to get all stroppy about it.
2) Had I seen the comment, I would have spoken up instantly, immediately, & strongly.
3) "There but for the grace of God go I" was a reference to you, me, or anyone else, making a mistake in life. Most of us do, occasionally. No, I would never make THAT mistake, I think it was apalling, but I make plenty others. Whisper it quietly, but I expect even you make mistakes sometimes. We make mistakes, we learn from them. I did not, do not, & will not, condone his comments. But I don't think we need to string him up from the nearest tree. And as I never saw the comments myself - in fact neither did you - I need to comment accordingly. I don't want to be any part of a lynch mob, & I have no intention of so being.
Howe many times do you wish me to repeat this? Simmy was wrong. I stated that, unequivically.
I am 100% fine with you airing opposing views to mine - the more the merrier, & we NEED good, cohesive, debates here by intelligent Posters such as you, the Forum is sadly lacking in them right now. What I don't understand is your repeated suggestions that I "look the other way", favour my "mates", lie, mislead. If you knew me, you would not make such disgraceful statements.
Why is it becoming such a sin that I have a lot of friends here?
lJAMESl is a "friend", of sorts, but I criticise him frequently. Ask him.
Simmy is a "virtual" friend, a "poker friend", not a "real" friend, no more, no less, than Hursty is. Why do you feel the need to embellish your argument with suggestions that I show favour to one or the other?
Leave out your repeated personal attacks on my character, & we can have a fine debate.
The cash game debate? I Posted wrongly - & withdrew/clarified my Post, & apologised. But you seem not to have seen that, and you attacked me again, after that. I had the good grace to apologise for my clumsy wording, you did not seem to notice that, or acknowledge it. People make libellous statements about me repeatedly on here, but never withdraw them when proven wrong. Bit out of order that, I'd say.
Debate all day, but if you want to make it personal, it undermines your argument.
Let's move on, &, heaven forbid, have some constructive dialogue, without the need to cast aspersions on my character every time. There IS a difference - & what is more, you know it.
Traffic volumes are rising STRONGLY at all of the SB&G Sites - Poker, Bingo, Vegas, & Bet. Poker Volume at Sky Poker show huge % increases, whilst Online Poker as a whole appears to be in rapid decline on most other Online Poker Rooms.
SB&G - Sky Betting & Gaming is part of BSKYB, & all BSKYB companies are audited by....... Deloitte LLP. google is your friend.
vul hurst mate was unlucky
dont know sim at all but he made a mistake and has said sorry....i know that dont change nothing but at the end of the day its between hurst and sim no1 else
if hurst takes the sorry then ok if he dont then thats for him to complane and by the sounds of it he has sorted it with sim
dont really understand where tk comes into this and dont understand why when ever anything happens its always tk that gets it (if any1 y not orford)lol but come on ive seen many times on the forum people shouting off at him why......i dont agree with everything he says but there his opinions and he has a right to say same as me and as any1 else....but ive never seen him be rude/abusive/or rip any1 ever
yet a small amount of people think its ok to.....myself and many others i think would of said go f yourselfs by now i think...yet he still continues to do things for every1 on here....
tk fair play to you for doing what you do 99% of us thank you for it
Tikay,
I have referred on each occasion to you not voicing your opinion in this thread, not in the chat box at the time, I referred to the chat box only because I was aware you were around at the time. My original post was in response to your first on this thread.
"It just strikes me as more than a little surprising that a very well known player puts in the chat box CALL CALL CALL CALL and you someone who is normally more than happy to give his opinion on here had not come down heavily on this the moment you saw the thread."
Of course I make mistakes, huge ones usually and I expect to be criticised when I do. If this had been posted on one of the more wider known poker forums I'm pretty sure my comments would be considered moderate in relation to sims actions.
Anyway enough, I for my part will do my utmost not to infer any unintentioned personal attacks on your good character, in return could you be so kind as to double check your posts so that you do not infer any unintentioned bias towards individual players when they are under fire.
BTW I thought it was great when you gave Hurst05, Wacko and one other the big up on sat night, it can't do them any harm.
Tikay,
I am well aware sky's traffic volumes are rising, I watch 865 and have heard you make this point, the very reason I said "traffic volumes are falling on many sites"
Sky Betting and Gaming's RNG is audited by the 3rd party company Technical Systems Testing (TST), who are global experts in the analysis of RNG's used for online gaming purposes. TST are approved by our regulator, the Alderney Gambling Control Commission, to conduct compliance testing..........the sky poker site is your friend.
To be honest Tikay this was a blatant trap on my part, it seemed likely Sky would be audited by either Deloitte's or KPMG so I took a punt and referred to them. The question is why then is Sky Betting and Gaming's RNG audited by the 3rd party company Technical Systems Testing (TST) when you have Deloitte's on board, are Deloitte's not approved by the Alderney Gambling Control Commission or are RNG's too complicated for Deloittes.
You just need to accept that I would never intentionally show favour to any player over another. And that there is a massive difference between a "poker friend" and a real friend. I have hundreds, thousands, perhaps, of the former, & less than a handful of the latter.
If you were a real friend of mine, & you played on Sky Poker, I would positively discriminate against you, as a standard defence against the resident trolls. That's basic O-Level psychology, Stein, & I'm a little surprised you cannot work that out.
OK, I need to get cleared up, & back to the Hotel, in time to play tonight's Tourneys.
Hursty & I have communicated by PM privately today. He is quite embarrassed by the way this thread has spiralled out of control, & become personal. Let's move on, shall we?
Take care now.
The person who offended has apologised, which was nice of him, but!!! only the player involved will know, if he was , in fact, influenced by the railer. In reality though, you're just another ' bad loser ' like the guy awhile back, who blamed Mr Ed for his, losing at the table. This guy cashed just like you, also he started a moaning thread just like you. You guys need to step back a little and be grateful that you cashed at all, because most of us don't. Try and enjoy the game, forget Mammon
Kind regards
please rearrange those words.
Imagine how you would feel if you bubbled for the best part of 10k! Please dont criticise Hursty, he is a genuine lad i have met a few times and he is not blaming anyone for what happened, trust me. He has a great game and a great future in poker imo. Imagine having to deal with all this agro on top of just narrowly missing out on the chance of a lifetime...not nice izzit.