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I think you have to re-pop the river there, flat calling is just too tight/risk averse, even for DYMs. It would take serious reads for me to flat call there and in fact I can't think of one player on the site who would make me want to flat call, they could have A5!!!!!
Say one of the 5s was an A, so the board read A-A-5-9-6, then I might flat call. But even then I would stack off against a lot of players, think of all the As you are beating. It's the same with the 5s here. But as it is, your hand is even stronger. With 2 As on board the only reason I might flat is that I have the under house and am losing to A-6, A-5 and A-9. But here you've rivered the over house to fives full so I'm 99% sure I'm ahead and going for full value accordingly.
Don't give unknown opponents as much credit as you have in this hand mate, look what he turned up with.
JC
edit : roughly 84% strike rate .
Ofc the turn card was redic. i love dyms sometimes. this was last night in an 11 quider i think.
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancepokerpro2 Small blind 15.00 15.00 1785.00 Santos76 Big blind 30.00 45.00 1960.00 Your hole cards A A neilymitch Fold GREGHOGG Raise 90.00 135.00 1880.00 geegeebee Call 90.00 225.00 2250.00 spike23 Call 90.00 315.00 1880.00 pokerpro2 Call 75.00 390.00 1710.00 Santos76 Fold Flop J 3 J pokerpro2 Check GREGHOGG Check geegeebee Bet 195.00 585.00 2055.00 spike23 Fold pokerpro2 All-in 1710.00 2295.00 0.00 GREGHOGG Fold geegeebee All-in 2055.00 4350.00 0.00 geegeebee Unmatched bet 540.00 3810.00 540.00 pokerpro2 Show 7 7 geegeebee Show A J Turn A River 2 geegeebee Win Full House, Jacks and Aces 3810.00 4350.00
This happened shortly after the other hand last night. its at that point i switched from 11 to 5.5s and from being over 50 down i broke even in the end
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancepomfrittes Small blind 75.00 75.00 2175.00 kes69 Big blind 150.00 225.00 4705.00 Your hole cards A A geordieace Raise 600.00 825.00 2005.00 GREGHOGG All-in 2290.00 3115.00 0.00 pomfrittes Fold kes69 Fold geordieace Call 1690.00 4805.00 315.00 geordieace Show K A GREGHOGG Show A A Flop 5 7 Q Turn J River 2 geordieace Win Flush to the Ace 4805.00 5120.00
Just phoned it and got your local chinese??!!
ps, extra long signature just for you! haha!
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The number for my local chinese, is just 1 didgit off mine......
We get people ringing all the time to place an order, now wonder I have so many with evil people putting ideas in my head!!! Im sure the chinese people pay an English bloke to ring me and try and order, they have good implied odds doing that, as I'm bound to ring them within half an hour and order a tenners worth!!!
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Anyway dyms!! Where's all your help on this thread??? With your mountain of dym experience, and un-real quad-floppin abilities!!
Here's a hand for you'ze to have a go at...
First game of the day....
I soooooo wanted to raise/stack off the flop....
As played I VERY NEARLY folded the turn, and planned toi c/f the river, until he bet so small.......I thought I would call, and could recover from 1k. Had he bet any more I think I fold without reads.
General rules for playing massive draws on level 1/2/3?????
The turn is where the decision is imo. my instinct is to reship the lot in because i think we are ahead. But im not sure this is right over time? JC?
The flat call on the turn just sets up a difficult decision on the river.
Re playing draws in general in the early levels, I like to play them as you have here. Call (with good odds) and keep the pot small until you hit, then look to get it in when you do (especially when you're still vulnerable like with the low flush).
Basically at the end of the day you are winning so your obviously doing something right...some people like to play tight and push at the end when needed and some like to chip build early to sail through the bubble without having to play, you just need to see which you prefer
Gl, keep winning x
Basically dyms are all about chip preservation. But i like to get chips early if possible, so if i flop or turn a str8 or a flush, im more than happy to stack off, even if my opponant has live outs. As long as im at least a 65%- 70% fav when the money goes in im happy. even if its early.
BUT if there is any doubt in my mind where i stand in a hand i am happy to make redic tight folds early too
I think my fold is correct due to their stacks, but am i missing a spot here to put pressure on them? Could i get 2 folds? it looks like the stacks are fairly even.
I did pretty much snap fold fwiw, but afterwards i was thinking am i a bit tight?.... hummmmm
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceJonesy79 Small blind 100.00 100.00 2750.00 GREGHOGG Big blind 200.00 300.00 2402.50 Your hole cards K A shadow6929 Raise 600.00 900.00 1182.50 beefyboy Fold Jonesy79 Call 500.00 1400.00 2250.00 GREGHOGG Fold Flop Q Q J Jonesy79 Check shadow6929 All-in 1182.50 2582.50 0.00 Jonesy79 Call 1182.50 3765.00 1067.50 Jonesy79 Show K J shadow6929 Show A 9 Turn 5 River 8 Jonesy79 Win Flush to the King 3765.00 4832.50
Am I shoving un-neccesserily???
too deep? too wide???
Ive forgot how to play!!
Shanx has 2k - Vegas has 5k+
But no need to get in an all in situation at this stage in my opinion.
Hope this helps
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Ok i have played a couple of games and read all of this thread so i think i have a different mindset to how i played them before
£5.50 level
Reads: person who open raised has been limping in this spot previously with any suited cards 73/ q8 etc , i dont actually read this raise as too much strength possibly AQ/AJ sort of hand but i fold as im comfortable 2/5 , also he could still have a strong hand AK, QQ +
Should i be flatting here? or is fold standard? due to the wide range surely its too much of a gamble to re-raise or anything else
again 5.50 stake
reads: player on bb has been very loose whole game, he previously nearly called a shove of mine with QJ so likely to call light here imo
Im assuming this is a bad shove utg and also i was 3/4 even marginal at this point, is fold better in this spot in future?
Level1 Kings, risky hand no reads on villain other then on JJ's hand so please comment on how u think i played it, again apologise if these are standard spots but just taking DYM bit more seriously then used to as a good way to tick over the bankroll
The way you played the KK hand looks fine to me.
Goodluck with the dyms YG, they are a good way to keep the bankroll ticking over.
Really not sure aboput the QKs either, utg 5 handed with 10xbb at 100/200 is one of the trickiest situations for marginal shoving spots imo.
I wouldn't c bet the kings, and I would probably fold the river too.
Good hands, keep positng
Thanks Greggers, did u miss the KQ hand? i'd love to know your thoughts and JC's
Also im not going to be playing enough of them to get annoyed i dont think, just 4-10 a day not huge volume as i said just ticks the bankroll over so i can play MTT's as a freeroll
lol clio they're not that bad at the mo
Re Young_Guns Hands:
JJ: I agree with what's been said above, it's definately a fold or shove, depending on reads. To be honest I'm shoving the majority of the time. If you definately don't read the OR as very strong, then I think you have to ship it. You can't worry about the call on the button imo as he has shown no strength (even though he's too short to be flatting raises really). Even though, your 2/5 here you're not really that comfortable. There's no real chance of you coasting to the money from here. So this is a great spot to pick up 1/3 of your stack, probably uncontested, or, if you are called, you figure to be a favourite anyway.
KQs: For me this depends on how the 2 not involved, and the table as a whole, is generally playing but by and large I think I really like this shove. I wouldn't want to shove if the big stack, or the guy second in chips were constantly bombing GNASHER's bb since if he is prone to calling light, he should get knocked out via this route fairly soon fairly often. However, if they're not doing you any favours and the table is just giving walk after walk (even more so if GNASHER is bombing your BB) then I think you have to take the iniative. This is starting to look like a 'me or him' spot and in these spots I will go out of my way to bomb my rival. KQs is a fine hand 4 handed, even against someone who is calling light, so yeah, I really like the shove.
KK: Doesn't look to me like there's much wrong here. I would probably call the weak bet on the river tbf and swear everytime it's a rag ace. The c-bet looks a touch weak to me but the most important thing is that it's the same as your c-bet when you hold AK.
JC