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Dym thread - Mon Morning.

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  • edited March 2011
    Cheers JC, yep Gnasher was either getting walks or betting other 2 of post flop so i did think its a case of me or him and thought KQs does well against his range

    first one for day FML. should i always go broke here? was suprisedd he called my 4 bet was debating the shove but didnt think i should, vs someone who plays alot i think i just got unlucky here
    micko Small blind  10.00 10.00 1970.00
    budgirl Big blind  20.00 30.00 2040.00
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • A
         
    woooosh Fold     
    Agentas Fold     
    FloppyJo20 Fold     
    YOUNG_GUN Raise  70.00 100.00 1890.00
    micko Fold     
    budgirl Raise  200.00 300.00 1840.00
    YOUNG_GUN Raise  600.00 900.00 1290.00
    budgirl Call  450.00 1350.00 1390.00
    Flop
       
    • J
    • J
    • 8
         
    budgirl Check     
    YOUNG_GUN All-in  1290.00 2640.00 0.00
    budgirl Call  1290.00 3930.00 100.00
    budgirl Show
    • J
    • Q
       
    YOUNG_GUN Show
    • A
    • A
       
    Turn
       
    • 8
         
    River
       
    • Q
         
    budgirl Win Full House, Jacks and Queens 3930.00  4030.00
  • edited March 2011
    Re Greghogg's AK: OK, I've had a few days to mull this one over but am still finding it tricky. My first thought was that you must ship it here, AK is just too strong in the late stages. However, shadow is extremely short and pot committed now so there's a good chance of him being eliminated this hand. If he wins and doubles up, then the other guy is now very short. It't the times when shadow shoves and Jonesy folds that hurt us really and this probably won't happen too often.

    All that being said, I can't get past the strength of AK at this stage so I think the correct play is actually to raise the exact amount (to the decimal place) required to put shadow all-in and hopefully Jonesy will pick up on this and you can get a 2 vs 1 cooperation play going. If Jonesy doesn't come along, you're still virtually always in fine shape with AK.

    JC
  • edited March 2011
    Young_Gun, yeah always go broke with the AAs there, played it fine imo. So tilting that, very unlucky mate.
  • edited March 2011
    @ DOHHHHHHH.

    It's a bit hard to say tbh because you're in the sb, so you can shove a wide range, especially if you've been playing tight.

    However, it does just look like you might be shoving too wide and deep. I had the exact same problem last month and it cost me a fair bit before it suddenly dawned on me one night as I was getting in to bed. Tighten up your requirements here and you should notice improvements in your results. Remember that 10 BB's is not necessarily the point where you need to shove (especially in DYMs), it's merely the point at which, if you decide to play the hand, you need to shove. You can always open fold.  
  • edited March 2011
    Cheers JohnO again, i was unsure as i shoved on them whether thats ok but i dont think i was ever getting away from it, felt for sure he could have another pp or AK at worst. sucked it up now playing some good poker again another suckout led to another non cash AQ i reshoved budgirls Q8 who would have bubbled i then run AJ on button v AK

    can see how frustrating it can be play perfectly against an opponent and the suckouts are soul destroying lol

    3/5 first session today, still dont think i've done much wrong and much more aware thanks to you guys so thanks. i am only 2 tabling fwiw
  • edited March 2011
    9 in 12 today so far actually enjoying them still but is gutting when you lose to bad beat/cooler

    so far 1 cooler and 2 bad beats but im sure variance just round the corner....
  • edited March 2011
    finished day with a bubble :( sigh

    still good day for it 14 cashes from 18 at £5.50 level, not all total profit as had time to run bad in 3-4 MTT's in between but defo done my bankroll good and still enjoying the dynamics at the mo. i think mainly as i have been winning but if i had a bad run i dont think i could play them much more :P

    JohnO, how do you deal with it for eg. when you was on your bad run, when the poker gods are just not with you how do you motivate yourself to continue to play them?

    I am still enjoying them but think if i had a losing day in them i wouldn't play them probably
  • edited March 2011
    Nice work YG, glad your enjoying dyms.

    This hand from last night made me rofl. HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH MIN DONK BETS?. I would have folded on the flop to a decent bet but there we go.

    The beauty of position. I thought he had a weak king, hence hoping he will believe me for the A when i reship river. TBH, im surprised i got this through and i dont have a clue what he had...Oh well all pots count

    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceTom218 Small blind  100.00 100.00 2360.00 rainman001 Big blind  200.00 300.00 1942.50   Your hole cards Q Q       syplums Fold     GREGHOGG Raise  400.00 700.00 3390.00 centurian Fold     Tom218 Call  300.00 1000.00 2060.00 rainman001 Fold     Flop    5 8 K       Tom218 Bet  200.00 1200.00 1860.00 GREGHOGG Call  200.00 1400.00 3190.00 Turn    3       Tom218 Bet  200.00 1600.00 1660.00 GREGHOGG Call  200.00 1800.00 2990.00 River    A       Tom218 Bet  200.00 2000.00 1460.00 GREGHOGG All-in  2990.00 4990.00 0.00 Tom218 Fold     GREGHOGG Show Q Q    GREGHOGG Win  2200.00  2200.00 GREGHOGG Return  2790.00 0.00 4990.00
  • edited March 2011

    Greg you are beyond terrible.

    Turning QQ into a bluff with a 3k stack 5 handed in a dym at 100/200 against a donk has to be the worst play of all time.

    Raise more pre.
  • edited March 2011
    In Response to Re: Dym thread - Update on progress & salad face hand.:
    Greg you are beyond terrible. Turning QQ into a bluff with a 3k stack 5 handed in a dym at 100/200 against a donk has to be the worst play of all time. Raise more pre.
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    lol i know but it worked didnt it?!:)
  • edited March 2011
    First game of the night, first Coq up....

    On the bubble, the short stack is an 1diot, not a total plonker, but he's spewed off a winning position.....

    The big stack has been putting pressure on for the last few hands.

    I always have in my head the phrase "try and stay ahead of the game"

    I think that cost me here......

    Leyther has around 1.2k
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    DOHHHHHHH Small blind  75.00 75.00 1715.00
    gunnersj Big blind  150.00 225.00 2540.00
      Your hole cards
    • Q
    • A
         
    Leyther03 Fold     
    zaxus0118 Raise  450.00 675.00 5975.00
    DOHHHHHHH All-in  1715.00 2390.00 0.00
    gunnersj Fold     
    zaxus0118
  • edited March 2011

    The villain in this hand is a total plonker. Really bad/spewy, and plays far far too loose.

    My problem here is my stack size.

    I've no doubt I've got the best hand most of the time, he probably has 2 picture cards, a suited J9,J8 Q9 maybe, summat like that....

    I'm 20xbb deep and he opens 2x.....

    Should I raise, call, fold or shove???

    I think all 4 options are open to me here?

    On the flop I think it smacks his range in the face, and I guess I have to check behind and hope to turn a straight?
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    ramadama Small blind  50.00 50.00 1845.00
    Summerjade Big blind  100.00 150.00 2055.00
      Your hole cards
    • Q
    • A
         
    felix11111 Raise  200.00 350.00 2550.00
    Xx_bex_xX Fold     
    DOHHHHHHH Raise  600.00 950.00 1500.00
    ramadama Fold     
    Summerjade Fold     
    felix11111 Call  400.00 1350.00 2150.00
    Flop
       
    • 10
    • 9
    • K
         
    felix11111 Check     
    DOHHHHHHH
  • edited March 2011
    Not mad keen on the raise TBH.

    Are you raising to call a shove?

    Also leaves you in a very tricky spot should you miss - like this!
  • edited March 2011
    I'd probably just call the 200 pre being on the button and reasess, could also just fold and save the hassle.
  • edited March 2011
    just wized it, and i cant find a shove anyhow, even if he min raises super wide and folds super tight
  • edited March 2011

    Re 2 AQ hands:

    2nd one: Pre-flop: I think 3 bet/folding is a good play vs a decent player but given your reads I don't think you can do that here. So, if you 3 bet, you have to call a 4 bet shove, which is pretty ugly imo. But I can't fold the hand I don't think. For me, then, the 2nd best option is to flat call. But like you said you're almost certain you're infront and could well be dominating. So I would 3 bet shove here I think. It's pretty ugly as well but with a very tight player in the BB and your reads on the villain I think it's a pretty safe move.
     
    As played it's a horrible spot and would depend on my exact feelings about the situation. You mentioned his range but can it include mid pps as well? Are there other hands he can now fold? If the answer to these is generally yes, then I'd be inclined to stick it in with some equity. If it's a definate no, and his range plus your other reads means he's calling a redic amount here (say 80+ percent of the time) I would reluctantly check it back and hope to hit the J or A (stack off with the A as well).

    1st one: I don't actually think that's a coq up. The thing you have running through your head is 100% correct imo (barring some gross misinterpration - which I don't think this hand can be classed as). You still have fold equity in that spot in my opinion, a massive hand, and an obvious steal from someone who's been doing plenty already. Ship it 100% of the time, looks like a great spot to increase your position in the game.

    JC

  • edited March 2011

    £5.50 readless this is standard right? or would you slow down on flop if your gut was saying he has made straight. obviously he can have overpairs here and lower sets auto stack of innit

    YOUNG_GUN Small blind  10.00 10.00 1940.00
    Gambit3 Big blind  20.00 30.00 2425.00
      Your hole cards
    • 7
    • 7
         
    chabs Call  20.00 50.00 1790.00
    Carrie Call  20.00 70.00 1950.00
    Tronc Fold     
    jays46 Fold     
    YOUNG_GUN Call  10.00 80.00 1930.00
    Gambit3 Check     
    Flop
       
    • 5
    • 6
    • 7
         
    YOUNG_GUN Bet  40.00 120.00 1890.00
    Gambit3 Fold     
    chabs Raise  80.00 200.00 1710.00
    Carrie Fold     
    YOUNG_GUN Raise  160.00 360.00 1730.00
    chabs All-in  1710.00 2070.00 0.00
    YOUNG_GUN Call  1590.00 3660.00 140.00
    YOUNG_GUN Show
    • 7
    • 7
       
    chabs Show
    • 3
    • 4
       
    Turn
       
    • Q
         
    River
       
    • J
         
    chabs Win Straight to the 7 3660.00  3660.00
  • edited March 2011
    Yes, YG thats a cooler m8, ul


    OK, now this is a rarity.. me getting a nit fold correct. I bet properly on the turn and i was suspicious when he just flatted flop on that board, so I assumed he had me crushed, and he kindly showed the nuts, wiiiiiiiiiiiiii

    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancemkgunner Small blind  10.00 10.00 1970.00 JingleMa Big blind  20.00 30.00 2000.00   Your hole cards K K       SPRING29 Raise  40.00 70.00 1960.00 deanwhit04 Fold     sailo Fold     GREGHOGG Raise  120.00 190.00 1900.00 mkgunner Fold     JingleMa Fold     SPRING29 Call  80.00 270.00 1880.00 Flop    9 10 7       SPRING29 Check     GREGHOGG Bet  140.00 410.00 1760.00 SPRING29 Call  140.00 550.00 1740.00 Turn    2       SPRING29 Check     GREGHOGG Bet  360.00 910.00 1400.00 SPRING29 Raise  720.00 1630.00 1020.00 GREGHOGG Fold     SPRING29 Show J 8    SPRING29 Win  1270.00  2290.00 SPRING29 Return  360.00 0.00 2650.00
  • edited March 2011
    And finally, I call off my entire stack at 10/20 level with only 1 pair to a redic river shove.

    The timer went down almost to the end and i hated doing it.. But i thought through the hand and sigh called.

    And It was correct, wiiiiiiiiiiiii.

    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceZEBARON Small blind  10.00 10.00 1990.00 budgirl Big blind  20.00 30.00 1960.00   Your hole cards K A       GREGHOGG Raise  80.00 110.00 1910.00 CHILLIE Fold     Clobo Fold     porter1989 Fold     ZEBARON Call  70.00 180.00 1920.00 budgirl Fold     Flop    10 K 7       ZEBARON Check     GREGHOGG Bet  80.00 260.00 1830.00 ZEBARON Call  80.00 340.00 1840.00 Turn    4       ZEBARON Check     GREGHOGG Bet  200.00 540.00 1630.00 ZEBARON Call  200.00 740.00 1640.00 River    5       ZEBARON All-in  1640.00 2380.00 0.00 GREGHOGG All-in  1630.00 4010.00 0.00 ZEBARON Unmatched bet  10.00 4000.00 10.00 ZEBARON Show J Q    GREGHOGG Show K A    GREGHOGG Win Pair of Kings 4000.00  4000.00
  • edited March 2011
    YG - deff a cooler, but i think both your lead, and ur 3bet need 2b bigger

    Greg re KK, nice fold sir, when they c/c c/r it screams strength!

    Greg re AK hand, i would bet bigger on flop and turn. 
  • edited April 2011
    Hi
    Just wanted some opinion on this hand in a recent £5 DYM as I,ve spotted some very good DYM players giving advice on here

    didn,t really have any reads as i was to busy reading this thread although the raiser had been pretty quiet and the Big stck to my right  was away _ i had about 2,500 at this stage 

    To tight or played it right?  ( I did go onto cash but want to know if this was right for the long run) -Cheers
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    DocG Small blind  75.00 75.00 4705.00
    121285 Big blind  150.00 225.00 1940.00
      Your hole cards
    • J
    • J
         
    chauni1990 Raise  300.00 525.00 1207.50
    ironwater Fold     
    MP33 Fold     
    DocG Fold     
    121285 Fold     
    chauni1990 Muck     
    chauni1990 Win  375.00  1582.50
    chauni1990 Return  150.00 0.00 1732.50
  • edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: Dym thread - Mon Morning.:
    Hi Just wanted some opinion on this hand in a recent £5 DYM as I,ve spotted some very good DYM players giving advice on here didn,t really have any reads as i was to busy reading this thread although the raiser had been pretty quiet and the Big stck to my right  was away _ i had about 2,500 at this stage  To tight or played it right?  ( I did go onto cash but want to know if this was right for the long run) -Cheers Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance DocG Small blind   75.00 75.00 4705.00 121285 Big blind   150.00 225.00 1940.00   Your hole cards J J       chauni1990 Raise   300.00 525.00 1207.50 ironwater Fold         MP33 Fold         DocG Fold         121285 Fold         chauni1990 Muck         chauni1990 Win   375.00   1582.50 chauni1990 Return   150.00 0.00 1732.50
    Posted by MP33
    Wooooooaaaahh

    Far to tight. You said yourself the big stack was away.. this should give you more of a chance to ship it all in.

    I mean a min raise UTG with his size staclk.. You really think his hands that strong? To me that looks like a small suited ace, the min raise in a DYM  in that position to me suggest weakness rather than strength.

    Hope this helps.
  • edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: Dym thread - Mon Morning.:
    In Response to Re: Dym thread - Mon Morning. : Wooooooaaaahh Far to tight. You said yourself the big stack was away.. this should give you more of a chance to ship it all in. I mean a min raise UTG with his size staclk.. You really think his hands that strong? To me that looks like a small suited ace, the min raise in a DYM  in that position to me suggest weakness rather than strength. Hope this helps.
    Posted by HartshorN

    Could well have been - the big stack did come back after a while.

    My thinking was that I didnt need to risk any chips and should still cash

    Just played a £3 DYM and this is what you want when your the low stack on the bubbble


    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    MP33 Small blind  100.00 100.00 1770.00
    MiniMe56 Big blind  200.00 300.00 3010.00
      Your hole cards
    • K
    • 2
         
    swancxbabe Raise  400.00 700.00 3735.00
    Smilodon Raise  800.00 1500.00 1985.00
    MP33 Fold     
    MiniMe56 All-in  3010.00 4510.00 0.00
    swancxbabe Call  2810.00 7320.00 925.00
    Smilodon All-in  1985.00 9305.00 0.00
    MiniMe56 Show
    • A
    • A
       
    swancxbabe Show
    • A
    • A
       
    Smilodon Show
    • K
    • K
       
    Flop
       
    • 6
    • 6
    • Q
         
    Turn
       
    • 3
         
    River
       
    • 5
         
    MiniMe56 Win Two Pairs, Aces and 6s 4652.50  4652.50
    swancxbabe Win Two Pairs, Aces and 6s 4652.50
  • edited April 2011
    The big stack was to my left ( not to my right as in previous post)
  • edited April 2011
    Re MP33 with the JJ:

    I also think that re-shipping it in is best here although I do think it's pretty marginal. I would be quite worried about the min raise utg from a tight player. However, without a specific read, and with him covered by 1000 chips, plus the fact that there's no cheaper way to find out where you are, I think re-shipping all-in here is going to be the best play in the long run.
  • edited April 2011
    MP33 i would reship JJ hand but dont know ur chipstack but shouldnt really matter tbf( i have seen ur stack in ur comments and still think shove

    2nd hand is standard fold dont even know why u posted? no offence tho
  • edited April 2011
    Because it's AA v AA v KK !!! lol


  • edited April 2011
    JJ

    Your first Monday Morning AQ:

    Right move, wrong opponent.  Readless of the individual (but know he's a big bully stack) it's a shove all day long.  Against that player I'm not shoving that stack with someone else on less chips on the bubble.  You're just getting called too much for me to like it (yes sometimes your ahead or more likely in a race situation, but as you know we're trying to get uncontested pots).

    Second AQ:  If I'm playing the hand I'm shoving.  I know the stack size is ugly but any meaningful raise is pretty much committing us so if I'm in, I'm in all the way especially with the reads you have given.  But again, don't want a call.
  • edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: Dym thread - Mon Morning.:
    MP33 i would reship JJ hand but dont know ur chipstack but shouldnt really matter tbf( i have seen ur stack in ur comments and still think shove 2nd hand is standard fold dont even know why u posted? no offence tho
    Posted by YOUNG_GUN
    As dohhh said above.  just wish every DYM was that easy

    As for the JJ i agree with johnconner in that it was very marginal, but the last thing i wanted to do was double him up . It is also a tough one as the big stack to my left was away but kept coming back then being away again - obv disconnection problems

    I,d like to see what the analyst/analysts say on the poker clinic show as the general opinion on here is to ship but i,m still not convinced

    edit -  i am now also desperate to see what he was holding  - Hand History #362249537
  • edited May 2011
    Bump For JBuss
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