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DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites

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  • MAXALLYMAXALLY
    edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites:
    In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites : I wore a badge with "Al's Bar" , at the GUKPT London LOL
    Posted by HITMAN_RV
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  • SighKOSighKO
    edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites:
    In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites : I wore a badge with "Al's Bar" , at the GUKPT London LOL
    Posted by HITMAN_RV

    I know I saw you

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  • scouse_redscouse_red
    edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites:
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    Posted by MAXALLY
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  • HITMAN_RVHITMAN_RV
    edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites:
    In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites : I know I saw you
    Posted by SighKO
    LOL !! The DOJ, FBI & SkyMods, in a joint operation, did nick the badge off me tho, while I was distracted staring Praz down!! Ask Glitter lol
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  • DarntootinDarntootin
    edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites:
    In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites : I wore a badge with "Al's Bar" , at the GUKPT London LOL
    Posted by HITMAN_RV
    Lol, quality!
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  • BrownnDogBrownnDog
    edited April 2011

    I think you are being overly optimistic about these indictments having no effect on these poker clients’ services in the UK and elsewhere abroad. The FBI and the DOJ can ask our government for the assets of alleged ‘criminals’ to be seized by own authorities in accordance with treaties we have with the USA and international law.

    They can base this request on many things such as these operations are using the ‘proceeds of crime’, or they possess laundered money, or even vital evidence against the companies needs to be seized e.g servers, databases etc.

    It is unlikely our authorities will allow a company that is 'alleged' to have commited crimes against the US governemnt to continue to operate freely here.

     

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  • donkeyplopdonkeyplop
    edited April 2011
    Good points brownndog!

    You know we do what the yanks tell us too also!


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  • bluff1991bluff1991
    edited April 2011
    http://www.ustream.tv/channel/quadjacks-black-friday listen to this guys, live stream talking about it.

    I withdrew $300 eariler and have more on FTP, do u think i should withdraw my remaining $800? It sounds like our money is safe with FTP and stars moving everything to .co.uk or .eu but i fear if everyone withdraws surely they are gonna get real low on funds
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  • bluff1991bluff1991
    edited April 2011
    Also traffic doesnt seem too bad...
    currently 157,645 players on stars, normally ~200K just a matter how much they are gonna take in legal proceedings
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  • MrWh1teMrWh1te
    edited April 2011
    I think if it was me, I would get my money out if possible

    the reasoning being,
    1) yes they might pay out now but they will run low on funds as some will be invested (as already pointed out),
    2) once they get low, if they get hit by massive fines, where will the money come from, especially if they ahve already used there emergency contingency
    3) always a chance the site could just shut down and have everything possessed at 'proceeds of crime'
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited April 2011

    SURELY if they couldn't pay out to non US players, they (or someone else) would stop/warn the players.

    No way would they allow players to continue playing. There would be warnings everywhere? They would have to be closed down immediately? By law?

    Really tempted to deposit and play some tournys as I keep hearing about these massive overlays, but then people put doubts in my mind.

    The official line from Stars is that we will get our money right???????

    Surely they wouldn't be allowed to say that if it wasn't true. 
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited April 2011
    I don't know why anyone is even thinking about whether they should get their money out. This is all up in the air and will be for some time. If you can withdraw then do it. Whether you will actually have the money credited to your account is debateable but hopefully it will go through OK. The longer you leave it the more risk at this moment. If it all turns out well you can always put it back.
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites:
    SURELY if they couldn't pay out to non US players, they (or someone else) would stop/warn the players. No way would they allow players to continue playing. There would be warnings everywhere? They would have to be closed down immediately? By law? Really tempted to deposit and play some tournys as I keep hearing about these massive overlays, but then people put doubts in my mind. The official line from Stars is that we will get our money right??????? Surely they wouldn't be allowed to say that if it wasn't true. 
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH

    That's the best laugh I've had for a while, thank you JJ.


    The official lline from Stars lol ............. These guys are being prosecuted for money laundering, fraud, bribery and tax evasion......... Would you believe everything they tell you? LMAO
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites:
    In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites : That's the best laugh I've had for a while, thank you JJ. The official lline from Stars lol ............. These guys are being prosecuted for money laundering, fraud, bribery and tax evasion......... Would you believe everything they tell you? LMAO
    Posted by elsadog
    No but I believe that somebody would stop them saying it if it wasn't true.

    Doesn't anybody have a responsibility to inform/protect the public?
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  • TWRAMYEPTWRAMYEP
    edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites:
    http://www.ustream.tv/channel/quadjacks-black-friday listen to this guys, live stream talking about it. I withdrew $300 eariler and have more on FTP, do u think i should withdraw my remaining $800? It sounds like our money is safe with FTP and stars moving everything to .co.uk or .eu but i fear if everyone withdraws surely they are gonna get real low on funds
    Posted by bluff1991
    This is great
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites:
    In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites : No but I believe that somebody would stop them saying it if it wasn't true. Doesn't anybody have a responsibility to inform/protect the public?
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    Who would stop them - the 4 man commitee on the Isle of Man who ''regulate'' them? As someone has just posted on 2+2 the staement about funds being safe is completely valueless - what else would they say? Get real m8!
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites:
    I think you are being overly optimistic about these indictments having no effect on these poker clients’ services in the UK and elsewhere abroad. The FBI and the DOJ can ask our government for the assets of alleged ‘criminals’ to be seized by own authorities in accordance with treaties we have with the USA and international law. They can base this request on many things such as these operations are using the ‘proceeds of crime’, or they possess laundered money, or even vital evidence against the companies needs to be seized e.g servers, databases etc. It is unlikely our authorities will allow a company that is 'alleged' to have commited crimes against the US governemnt to continue to operate freely here.  
    Posted by BrownnDog
    This = sense


    Noah from 2+2 has just said in a live stream from the states that it's possible that even Visa and Mastercard could end up being implicated and that this is just the tip if the iceberg.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited April 2011

    I dunno, when V festival tickets went on sale there were warnings on every radio station and news bulliten on TV that people were selling duff tickets, and that you shouldn't buy them unless they were from a reliable source.

    Public awareness I guess.

    Maybe someone in the know in the UK could help us out, more people in the UK play poker on American sites, than attend the V festival! And for wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy more money too.

     Advice ftw.
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  • LENGALENGLENGALENG
    edited April 2011
    Is anybody else having trouble even opening up  full tilt??
    Every time i try to log in on FT,it tells me that there is new softwear to down load,
    and when you go to download it tells you that it's not available at this time,then just closes down??
    Any help much appreciated.
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited April 2011
    Absolute have just suspended ALL deposits, withdrawals and transfers until further notice.

    If you read the indictment it says this:

    "The defendants shall forfeit to the United States....All the defendants' rights, title, and interests in the following entities and businesses:

    1. Pokerstars,
    2. Full Tilt Poker,
    3. Absolute Poker,
    4. Ultimate Bet,
    5. Oldford Group ltd.,
    6. Rational Entertainment enterprises ltd.,
    7. Pyr software ltd.,
    8. Stelekram ltd.,
    9. Sphene International ltd.,
    10. Tiltware ltd., "

    This means it's not just the fines they impose - they intend to take everything - ''Title and interests''
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  • LENGALENGLENGALENG
    edited April 2011
    Still won't even open !!!!
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  • IRISHROVERIRISHROVER
    edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites:
    Absolute have just suspended ALL deposits, withdrawals and transfers until further notice. If you read the indictment it says this: "The defendants shall forfeit to the United States....All the defendants' rights, title, and interests in the following entities and businesses: 1. Pokerstars, 2. Full Tilt Poker, 3. Absolute Poker, 4. Ultimate Bet, 5. Oldford Group ltd., 6. Rational Entertainment enterprises ltd., 7. Pyr software ltd., 8. Stelekram ltd., 9. Sphene International ltd., 10. Tiltware ltd., " This means it's not just the fines they impose - they intend to take everything - ''Title and interests''
    Posted by elsadog
    check mate  ,
    wd elsa you the mannnnnnn ,
    get your money out of stars  guys/gals  b4 its to late.
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  • Mod_KiwiniMod_Kiwini
    edited April 2011

    Hi Dohhhhhhh I have had to delete your post as it gave a direct link to another poker site. Mr White I have deleted your post as it was a reply to Dohhhhhh's which included the same link.

    Thank you for your understanding

    Steve

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  • MrWh1teMrWh1te
    edited April 2011
    oh ok sorry, I thought other forums would be ok and that it would just be clients banned
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  • MP33MP33
    edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites:
    Poker players in the US do pay tax. It doesnt matter one bit if one country pays tax and the other doesnt, different laws in different places. In fact the UK is one of the rare places where you dont pay taxes on gambling winnings. A lot of europe do. This isnt about taxes. Its about the 3 pokersites still providing service to the US through illegal means. Those pokersites want legalisation and to be taxed so that they can operate freely in the US. Obviously a lot of people dont want this to happen, like the big vegas casinos and anti gambling religious groups/politicians using it as a way to garner support by being anti-online gambling. This has nothing to do with other pokersites who dont operate in the US so there will be no huge knock on effect apart from maybe migration of players to different sites. Its the US gov going after the sites who continued to operate in the US after the UIGEA. Most likely whats happening is the government is shutting down these sites for a payday and then will introduce state regulated gambling where they recieve most of the profits. PS, FTP and UB have no defense don. They broke the law by using illegal means to pay out to players. Sky etc dont allow  US players so how could PS and co use that as a defense? This doesnt affect UK laws in the slightest. THe only way your gonna notice the difference is if you play on those sites, and the difference will be a lack of US players. The sites arent shutting down and will still offer play to the rest of the world. This only concerns the US. The FBI/DoJ cant change the laws of other countries.
    Posted by offshoot
    That sounds about right  - hope it doesn,t give our govenment any ideas

    Ps -  i got a delivery status notification today after sending an email to support at Pokerstars. i checked it and it was definately the right address. not sure what to make of it
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  • MP33MP33
    edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites:
    Is anybody else having trouble even opening up  full tilt?? Every time i try to log in on FT,it tells me that there is new softwear to down load, and when you go to download it tells you that it's not available at this time,then just closes down?? Any help much appreciated.
    Posted by LENGALENG
    +1   I Havent played on there for a while but get the same message as yourself
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  • LENGALENGLENGALENG
    edited April 2011
    Cheers dohhhhhhhh,back up again, top work.....!!!!!
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  • BananaDogBananaDog
    edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites:
    Is anybody else having trouble even opening up  full tilt?? Every time i try to log in on FT,it tells me that there is new softwear to down load, and when you go to download it tells you that it's not available at this time,then just closes down?? Any help much appreciated.
    Posted by LENGALENG
    Hi
    You have to type in the UK version on FT (.co.uk) First uninstall the old one...then reinstall the UK one, GL :)
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  • LENGALENGLENGALENG
    edited April 2011

    Cheers banana ,just done it, thanks for the post though.

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  • BananaDogBananaDog
    edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites:
    Cheers banana ,just done it, thanks for the post though.
    Posted by LENGALENG
    np glad your sorted x
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