DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites

harding10

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In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites : its amazing what  u can do to somesones computer if  u have fulcontrol  remote access to it and its files/settings etc /managment tools... but they did ,woke up in morning harddrive bios wouldnt load.,had to   get complete new harddrive and new windows  set up.
Posted by AJW1976

But despite all your concerns about how sites are doing this you've been running at least 6 poker accounts?

tapeworm

Wish I had shares in these - damn!! So will UK online poker do really well out of this fiasco or what? Wonder if Skys shares went up as well?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13114935

IRISHROVER

 latest from u.s pokerstar players is,
 cheques are bouncing ,
also DHL are destroying cheques on route from stars .

donkeyplop

ESPN have also cut all poker covarge in the states!

Pretty gloomy week for poker over there!

Also why havnt other sites that let Americans play not been shut down?

HITMAN_RV

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In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites : I know I saw you
Posted by SighKO

Rather have those CANS on ma chest !!!!

ps. Dat aint me, I'd never be seen dead in a shirt that loud!!

Kiwini4u

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  latest from u.s pokerstar players is,  cheques are bouncing , also DHL are destroying cheques on route from stars .
Posted by IRISHROVER

Isn't that tampering with the US mail and therefore also a federal offence?

donkeyplop

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In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites : Isn't that tampering with the US mail and therefore also a federal offence?
Posted by Kiwini4u

It's the USA they make the rules up as they go along, look at the invasion of Iraq.

AcidMan27

That was a liberation not an invasion.

Same difference like.

Machka

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In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites : Isn't that tampering with the US mail and therefore also a federal offence?
Posted by Kiwini4u

Isn't there a difference between The US Postal System and DHL?

It's a bit like comparing The Royal Mail with The Home Delivery Network.  i.e. Once loses 1/6th of all mail and accidentally delivers empty birthday cards.  The other only delivers when you are guaranteed not to be at home.

Anyway, it's Fed Ex the US should be worried about.  It's got "Fed"(s) in the name, even I can see that one.

I'll get my coat and pop over to Area 51 now.

donkeyplop

If you want a laugh google quadjacks then click on link to listen live!!!

A very drunk mike mattusow talking about the situation atm..................

IRISHROVER

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In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites : Isn't that tampering with the US mail and therefore also a federal offence?
Posted by Kiwini4u

lol its the feds that are instructing them to do so .

IRISHROVER

below is a response to a email from some poor sod who wants his money back in his account in ftp .
it seems this is AGCC stands on what the FBI is calling fraud .
 




   " so i emailed the Alderney gaming commission this weekend and just got a reply:  "

Dear xxxxxxxxxx,

Thank you for contacting Alderney Gambling Control Commission. At the present time we are only able to reiterate what Full Tilt Poker have informed us, that being that your funds are safe and secure and that everything possible is being done to rectify this situation as quickly as possible.

We apologise for the inconvenience but no further information can be given at this time.

Kind regards,

Christie Crawford
Assistant Licensing Officer
AGCC

AJW1976

what happened to all the RAKE AND FEEES? i played on absolute poker and fulltilt .com?? thought we got some of that $$$ back??? they dont give me nothing on those sites i swear it..ABSOLUTELY NOTHIN.!!

SUrely they must distribute cash where they see fit i guess imo./..think they call it pro-distribution lol

offshoot

you do realise you have to sign up for rakeback using an affiliate right?

SighKO

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you do realise you have to sign up for rakeback using an affiliate right?
Posted by offshoot

Yeah understand that, thanks. but my understanding was that you could only get this when you initially signed up for the a/c, and if you get rakeback then you aren't entitled to bonus points etc.   Its just I've always been curious why on pokertableratings/listings they have a column showing how much you've received... when actually you haven't because you didn't register for it. 

offshoot

that is just because they assume you will have it, they have no knowledge whether you do or you dont, its just showing you how much you should have received if you do have it.

delaney09

well i took advantage of pokerstars this morning with no american players a $16.50 turbo 3.5k gtd binked 2nd for $979 now i feel dead won't be playing again till the weekend..... also with regarding RB on tilt you are still able to get it after you register your account by emailing support and explaining that you would like rake back which then gets paid to you weekly

AMYBR

I have to agree with elsadog surprisingly.

With all the talk out there about online corruption this matter hardly helps things.  There seems to be a point of view though that it is ok, as it was just the federal government these multi billion dollar companies have been ripping off, rather than its consumer base.

I think if a person chooses to look between the lines of this most recent scandal there is much to be seen.  I think that anyone believing that this is the only integral underhand element that these companies are capable of, then they really are looking through rose tinted glasses

offshoot

i know its terrible right? companies using whatever methods neccessary to make sure money gets to the players bank accounts.

AMYBR

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i know its terrible right? companies using whatever methods neccessary to make sure money gets to the players bank accounts.
Posted by offshoot

So you think the ends justify the means?  That its ok to extend your business model to circumvent federal law.  Should a reputable business need to take those convoluted steps to begin with?

I dont know how people can simply rationalise these issues away. Were talking of fraud on a huge scale, but they had good intentions so its ok?  Who do you really think those intentions served?

FlyingDagg

Victoria Corens take on it all from todays column in the Guardian-
"The big Sunday tournaments online were busy this week, despite the ghostly disappearance of American players. Some sort of clampdown is going on in the States over online poker – nobody yet understands exactly what it is, so I have no analysis"
does she not read the news?

AcidMan27

She's probably not allowed to say too much being under contract with one of those sites.

AJW1976

I KNOW  1 THING THT HAPPEND ON ABSOLUTE POKER.COM, THEY CHANGED MY PAYMENT METHOD AND I WASNT ALLOWED TO USE CREDIT CARD FOR SOMETIMES,AND THEY INSISTED USING ANOTHER METHOD IE  NETTELLER OR UKASH,  NOW I KNOW WHEN THEY INSIST ON USING OTHER METHODS OF DEPOSIT I  KNOW SOMEHTING WAS WRONG ....WAS I RIPPED OFF THROUGHT THIS PAYMENT SCHEME OR WAS IT A SNEAKY DEVIOUS WAY FOR ME AND MY ACCOUNT TO GET JUST THE CASH ON THE SITE???

WHOS KNOWS ,BUT 1 THING FOR SURE NOW MY ACCOUNT IS CLOSED WITH AP AND COMPLAINT WITH KWANAKE GAMING BOARD IS STILL STUCK UP SOMEONES BUTTOLE./!!  THEY HAVENT EVEN INVESTIGATED MY HH WHICH  NEEDS AUDITING IN DETAIL..    I WAS CHEATED THATS A FACT.

AJW1976

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you do realise you have to sign up for rakeback using an affiliate right?
Posted by offshoot

NO U SHOULDNT "HAVE TO" SIGN  UP FOR NOTHING !!  WHERE DOES  THIS EXCESS MONEY COME FROM ,HOW MUCH DO AFFILIATES MAKE ,OBVIOUSLY THIS  NEEDS ADDRESSSING FOR MOST MAJOR SITES ,I GOT NOTHING BACK FROM ANY OF THEM REGARDS FEES OR RAKEBACK..

HOW MUCH THESE  AFFILIATES MAKE IS UNKNOWN TO ME AND WOULD LIKE IT TO BE CLARIFIED.

MrWh1te

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In Response to ... : NO U SHOULDNT "HAVE TO" SIGN  UP FOR NOTHING !!  WHERE DOES  THIS EXCESS MONEY COME FROM ,HOW MUCH DO AFFILIATES MAKE ,OBVIOUSLY THIS  NEEDS ADDRESSSING FOR MOST MAJOR SITES ,I GOT NOTHING BACK FROM ANY OF THEM REGARDS FEES OR RAKEBACK.. HOW MUCH THESE  AFFILIATES MAKE IS UNKNOWN TO ME AND WOULD LIKE IT TO BE CLARIFIED.
Posted by AJW1976

Of course you should 'have to' sign up.
You pay a rake on every site you play on.  It just so happens that some sites give some of that rake back to companies (affiliates) who send them a lot of members.  Some of this gets sent from the affiliate back to the player as an incentive to keep playing

Affiliates AFAIK make millions

MrWh1te

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I KNOW  1 THING THT HAPPEND ON ABSOLUTE POKER.COM, THEY CHANGED MY PAYMENT METHOD AND I WASNT ALLOWED TO USE CREDIT CARD FOR SOMETIMES,AND THEY INSISTED USING ANOTHER METHOD IE  NETTELLER OR UKASH,  NOW I KNOW WHEN THEY INSIST ON USING OTHER METHODS OF DEPOSIT I  KNOW SOMEHTING WAS WRONG ....WAS I RIPPED OFF THROUGHT THIS PAYMENT SCHEME OR WAS IT A SNEAKY DEVIOUS WAY FOR ME AND MY ACCOUNT TO GET JUST THE CASH ON THE SITE??? WHOS KNOWS ,BUT 1 THING FOR SURE NOW MY ACCOUNT IS CLOSED WITH AP AND COMPLAINT WITH KWANAKE GAMING BOARD IS STILL STUCK UP SOMEONES BUTTOLE./!!  THEY HAVENT EVEN INVESTIGATED MY HH WHICH  NEEDS AUDITING IN DETAIL..    I WAS CHEATED THATS A FACT.
Posted by AJW1976

Yes, the system was designed to rip you off, all that money, all those systems, just to get YOUR money.  Heh

Your money is gone, AP wont be giving a penny out.  I am surprised some people still played it though after previous issues.

FlyingDagg

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She's probably not allowed to say too much being under contract with one of those sites.
Posted by AcidMan27

I own up to being a numpty as I should have realised that!

AJW1976

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In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites : Yes, the system was designed to rip you off, all that money, all those systems, just to get YOUR money.  Heh Your money is gone, AP wont be giving a penny out.  I am surprised some people still played it though after previous issues.
Posted by MrWh1te

So THEN my question is how do i get  monies back and time well spent for playing on the site??? 4 years on and off playing ,.....what can i do??bring civil action against them or what?it has been noted in the past i can bring a civil action case but they dont seem too bothered  by it and tbh i dont need the hassle with it all.....

WHy have they not apologised in any case for what seem like purposely stonewalling the gp? and of course u then get the top leading pros walk off the site and do a runner for what seems like they already knew about what was going to happen,all that stuff about harddrive loss of data nonsense too i find someone is not telling the whole truth......i complained over my doc31  account and they just close accunts down because they said i was "quote"  A PROBLEM CUSTOMER" UNQUOTE.........SUCH BS in its entirety ,now i relaise i wasnt going to win what i had played for to win  and thier false advertising for the WSOP and a lot of games I played under reletavely speaking was a fale trojan and someone talking out their   rear end!!! when in fact I had no such chance to win anything of anything on those sites,........

AND FULLTILT POKER VERY MUCH ON THE SAME LEVEL/. over and out,.!!!!

AJW1976

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well i took advantage of pokerstars this morning with no american players a $16.50 turbo 3.5k gtd binked 2nd for $979 now i feel dead won't be playing again till the weekend..... also with regarding RB on tilt you are still able to get it after you register your account by emailing support and explaining that you would like rake back which then gets paid to you weekly
Posted by delaney09

good job¬!!

AJW1976

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In Response to Re:... : Of course you should 'have to' sign up. You pay a rake on every site you play on.  It just so happens that some sites give some of that rake back to companies (affiliates) who send them a lot of members.  Some of this gets sent from the affiliate back to the player as an incentive to keep playing Affiliates AFAIK make millions
Posted by MrWh1te

this affiliate company bullcrapp should be balsted off into orbit.! that  smoney revenue  for some one who has no commercial need to  get involved with any of the poker sites...they have no right in making money from players moreover if they sign though a diff weblink......

there should be none affiliate  involvement !it should be all on accounts with pure poker sites only not though some random hosted affiliate site that just get %of whatever monies from sites or players...Who are all these  affiliate companys involved?? Is this in the terms and conditons of the sign up contract with  the big poker sites?


Mr white ,someone obviously knows how to make money for these sites whether its some chinese dos program
for   companys to utilise for thier benifit or what makes me more angry is the fact that some  sites likeabsolute poker hold thier servers in different college institutions , huh well u didnt think the networks were on the level .
dont know why but the network servers are all from like college places.