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DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites

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  • MrWh1teMrWh1te
    edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites:
    In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites : So THEN my question is how do i get  monies back and time well spent for playing on the site??? 4 years on and off playing ,.....what can i do??bring civil action against them or what?it has been noted in the past i can bring a civil action case but they dont seem too bothered  by it and tbh i dont need the hassle with it all..... WHy have they not apologised in any case for what seem like purposely stonewalling the gp? and of course u then get the top leading pros walk off the site and do a runner for what seems like they already knew about what was going to happen,all that stuff about harddrive loss of data nonsense too i find someone is not telling the whole truth......i complained over my doc31  account and they just close accunts down because they said i was "quote"  A PROBLEM CUSTOMER" UNQUOTE.........SUCH BS in its entirety ,now i relaise i wasnt going to win what i had played for to win  and thier false advertising for the WSOP and a lot of games I played under reletavely speaking was a fale trojan and someone talking out their   rear end!!! when in fact I had no such chance to win anything of anything on those sites,........ AND FULLTILT POKER VERY MUCH ON THE SAME LEVEL/. over and out,.!!!!
    Posted by AJW1976
    Ok well first of all, I should point out when I said it was all set up to rip YOU off, I was of course being ironic.  You missed that though.  You wont get your money back and you wont have anyone to complain to, it probably
    is that simple.

    As for closing your accounts, whilst I don't understand how anyone would see you as a problem customer (thats irony again btw), you did have, and have admitted on these forums, to having several accounts.  as you know, having more than one account is against the rules.  It makes you a cheat.  maybe you played them together, maybe you aimed to abuse bonus'.  Eiether way, you set out to cheat the system.

    I do feel sorry for some people for losing their money, but in your case, I think I can make an exception

    Now thats Karma!
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  • MrWh1teMrWh1te
    edited April 2011
    In Response to Re:...:
    In Response to Re:... : this affiliate company bullcrapp should be balsted off into orbit.! that  smoney revenue  for some one who has no commercial need to  get involved with any of the poker sites...they have no right in making money from players moreover if they sign though a diff weblink...... there should be none affiliate  involvement !it should be all on accounts with pure poker sites only not though some random hosted affiliate site that just get %of whatever monies from sites or players...Who are all these  affiliate companys involved?? Is this in the terms and conditons of the sign up contract with  the big poker sites? Mr white ,someone obviously knows how to make money for these sites whether its some chinese dos program for   companys to utilise for thier benifit.
    Posted by AJW1976
    lol you really seem to be that dumb?
    Affiliates provide a service by getting customers to the site and spending money.  Why shouldnt they get paid for it?  There is a refer a friend bonus on here (and many other sites).  That is using an affiliate.  Everytime you invite a friend for a bonus, that makes you an affiliate and you get paid for it.  They are doing just that but giving some of what they get paid back to the customer.  therefor, it is good for the customer as they get some of their fees back.

    There are many examples of affiliates in life.  Telesales companies.  Door to door salesmen.  Hell, even going to a phone shop is through an affiliate.  Infact, any shop you go into is technically an affiliate, providing a service (for instance Tesco selling stock on behalf of the original seller).
    Its the norm.
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  • Mod_NoseyMod_Nosey
    edited April 2011
    Hi fellow poker posterers,

    Just a gentle reminder that links to other poker forums are not permitted. A few posts have been removed because of this.

    Thanks all.
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  • AJW1976AJW1976
    edited April 2011
    dearest poker mod i dont post poker links to no other websites..just like to state that fact./
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  • AJW1976AJW1976
    edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites:
    In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites : Ok well first of all, I should point out when I said it was all set up to rip YOU off, I was of course being ironic.  You missed that though.  You wont get your money back and you wont have anyone to complain to, it probably is that simple. As for closing your accounts, whilst I don't understand how anyone would see you as a problem customer (thats irony again btw), you did have, and have admitted on these forums, to having several accounts.  as you know, having more than one account is against the rules.  It makes you a cheat.  maybe you played them together, maybe you aimed to abuse bonus'.  Eiether way, you set out to cheat the system. I do feel sorry for some people for losing their money, but in your case, I think I can make an exception Now thats Karma!
    Posted by MrWh1te
    u dont know anything  at all... please refrain from commenting ure drivel .U make no valid points in relation to ap/ub...stick to ure day job,
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  • AJW1976AJW1976
    edited April 2011
    In Response to Re:...:
    In Response to Re:... : lol you really seem to be that dumb? Affiliates provide a service by getting customers to the site and spending money.  Why shouldnt they get paid for it?  There is a refer a friend bonus on here (and many other sites).  That is using an affiliate.  Everytime you invite a friend for a bonus, that makes you an affiliate and you get paid for it.  They are doing just that but giving some of what they get paid back to the customer.  therefor, it is good for the customer as they get some of their fees back. There are many examples of affiliates in life.  Telesales companies.  Door to door salesmen.  Hell, even going to a phone shop is through an affiliate.  Infact, any shop you go into is technically an affiliate, providing a service (for instance Tesco selling stock on behalf of the original seller). Its the norm.
    Posted by MrWh1te
    its obious   to me that these types of people are claiming money and are notably not being TAXED on it which should be declared ad earnings....this is exactly why the doj have issued warrants ,so that they can regulate and get these small measure weighed up....and yes i bet they do make a lot of money thorugh advertising..
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  • MrWh1teMrWh1te
    edited April 2011
    Those documents say opposite things?

    the legal one says the DoJ expects money ot be returned, the pokerplayer one says it cant
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  • LOL_RAISELOL_RAISE
    edited April 2011
    what what i have read they have allowed ftp/pstars to let US player to log on and  withdraw their rolls but they cannot play any real money games.

    they offered it to ub aswell but no response from them i think
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited April 2011
    Im on full tilt running fine for now.........just a thought what about people like durr and ivey with millions in their account, and all that money being frozen, being yanks an all that???
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  • AJW1976AJW1976
    edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites:
    Im on full tilt running fine for now.........just a thought what about people like durr and ivey with millions in their account, and all that money being frozen, being yanks an all that???
    Posted by peacock10
    with durrr  saying he was in the office answring the telephone i doubt for 1 minute his player account is under threat or any other  pros for that matter...by  the way what is it a prop or a shill player paid to do and what have they got that u s normal poker players havent???
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  • MrWh1teMrWh1te
    edited April 2011
    They generate play at the tables.  They get good rakeback deals and bonus' to sit at tables that arent getting much action and keep games going longer, basically.
    They are better than normal players because although just about anyone can prop these days, bad players would simply go bust quickly so tends to leave just the good players with a BR
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  • TommyDTommyD
    edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites:
    what what i have read they have allowed ftp/pstars to let US player to log on and  withdraw their rolls but they cannot play any real money games. they offered it to ub aswell but no response from them i think
    Posted by LOL_RAISE
    So with all the scaremongering about dodgy deals, money laundering etc what has actually happened is the FBI have aggressively enforced the Internet Gaming act?  Guess we'll just have to see if the motion in Congress to effectively overturn the IGA and regulate Internet Gambling in the USA will go through.
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  • MrWh1teMrWh1te
    edited April 2011
    I don't think it was ever about the illegal gaming (they certainly wouldn't let USA players have their cash back if that was the case), but about the way money was put into the site
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  • TommyDTommyD
    edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites:
    I don't think it was ever about the illegal gaming (they certainly wouldn't let USA players have their cash back if that was the case), but about the way money was put into the site
    Posted by MrWh1te
    MrW, what I mean is when this all came out several people took the charges regarding money laundering by the founders to be them committing fraud in the traditional sense contrary to the long standing laws, not action contrary to the IGA.  Which one is it?
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  • MrWh1teMrWh1te
    edited April 2011
    No idea, I don't even understand what you just posted lol

    Before all this broke I was under the impression that gambling online wasn't illegal, it was the funding the accounts that is illegal, so shows how much I know  :p
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  • djblacke04djblacke04
    edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites:
    what what i have read they have allowed ftp/pstars to let US player to log on and  withdraw their rolls but they cannot play any real money games. they offered it to ub aswell but no response from them i think
    Posted by LOL_RAISE

    lol...just how exactly are they suppossed to get their money out,when transfering gambling  money is illegal in america....they have no payment methods...:)


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  • AJW1976AJW1976
    edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites:
    In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites : lol...just how exactly are they suppossed to get their money out,when transfering gambling  money is illegal in america....they have no payment methods...:)
    Posted by djblacke04

    LOL They can always chip dump on players accounts to give them funds...theres always another way dj...as they say in the trade its not the size of the jockey its the size of thier WHIP.. hehe
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited April 2011
    It's been posted a few times by USA players that they are not allowed to deposit, withdraw or make transfers. The DOJ isn't quite that daft.
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  • offshootoffshoot
    edited April 2011
    panyment processors are being set up and americans are getting to withdraw soon.
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  • tierceltiercel
    edited April 2011
    In the days of alcohol prohibition the FBI went after the producers and purveyers of the booze rather than the boozers . This is no different . The lesson they haven't learnt is when alcohol was banned the Mafia took charge so why should it be any different now ?

    Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites:
    I don't think it was ever about the illegal gaming (they certainly wouldn't let USA players have their cash back if that was the case), but about the way money was put into the site
    Posted by MrWh1te
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites:
    Danger - followed this link and was attacked by multiple trojan warnings n Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites :
    Posted by tiercel
    Correct. People should be VERY careful in clicking obscure Links that are Posted.

    I am going to ask the Mods to remove the quoted link, & the original Post, if possible. I hope not too many others suffered similar problems.

    Really, the Community may be forced to ban ALL links soon, this is dangerous stuff, & we have a responsibility to show a duty of care.

    Members need to refrain from posting Links that may not be "clean".
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  • djblacke04djblacke04
    edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites:
    panyment processors are being set up and americans are getting to withdraw soon.
    Posted by offshoot

    Then surely they will get prosecuted as well?

    lol..
    glad im not american...

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  • djblacke04djblacke04
    edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites:
    In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites : Correct. People should be VERY careful in clicking obscure Links that are Posted. I am going to ask the Mods to remove the quoted link, & the original Post, if possible. I hope not too many others suffered similar problems. Really, the Community may be forced to ban ALL links soon, this is dangerous stuff, & we have a responsibility to show a duty of care. Members need to refrain from posting Links that may not be "clean".
    Posted by Tikay10

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  • AJW1976AJW1976
    edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites:
    In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites : Correct. People should be VERY careful in clicking obscure Links that are Posted. I am going to ask the Mods to remove the quoted link, & the original Post, if possible. I hope not too many others suffered similar problems. Really, the Community may be forced to ban ALL links soon, this is dangerous stuff, & we have a responsibility to show a duty of care. Members need to refrain from posting Links that may not be "clean".
    Posted by Tikay10
    So Tikay what i was trying to assure all our genuine ly good players and ureself alike that ,most of what I had said prior to this doj poker ban in usa tripe  most of what i had assumed was actually not "GUFF" at all??

    Just take into consideration how many times ure network gets  base  attacked,...y8ou can bet ure bottom dollar most of its coming from chinese dos/ghostnet.   gl though....
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  • AJW1976AJW1976
    edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites:
    In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites : Correct. People should be VERY careful in clicking obscure Links that are Posted. I am going to ask the Mods to remove the quoted link, & the original Post, if possible. I hope not too many others suffered similar problems. Really, the Community may be forced to ban ALL links soon, this is dangerous stuff, & we have a responsibility to show a duty of care. Members need to refrain from posting Links that may not be "clean".
    Posted by Tikay10
    So glad   it takes   said most respected person on sky to come out and grant that links etc and other un-original content to be carefully  monitored ..
    I personally believe half of the issues are down to these social network sites ie facebook ,So be carefull what you browse and download thats my advice..

    By the way can we get a rundown on the latest developments on the encription methods and tech details please for  the sky poker players to look  at..Im bit baffled there isnt much info on any of this/or computer  tech info.
    I know  we got a tech query forum but can we have another for computer help etc???
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  • offshootoffshoot
    edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites:
    In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites : Then surely they will get prosecuted as well? lol.. glad im not american...
    Posted by djblacke04
    no the DOJ are setting up processors so that people can withdraw from the site.
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  • djblacke04djblacke04
    edited April 2011


    Look lets be honest ...the Government is upset,that it does not get any TAX from online gambling,so its going to find a way to TAX it,then make it legal....

    end..
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  • AMYBRAMYBR
    edited April 2011
    I dont understand why this isnt bigger news.  No station has picked it up and it isnt in the media at all really.  Rig a couple of cricket games and the world comes to an end.  Were talking serious stuff here and no media coverage.  Very odd.
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  • TWRAMYEPTWRAMYEP
    edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites:
    I dont understand why this isnt bigger news.  No station has picked it up and it isnt in the media at all really.  Rig a couple of cricket games and the world comes to an end.  Were talking serious stuff here and no media coverage.  Very odd.
    Posted by AMYBR
    Its been covered by all the major US news TV channels (Wont post links)
    Within the poker community one of the biggest stories ever.
    UK media (not that I would recommend reading them but here you go anyway):

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/8456290/Online-poker-sites-shut-down-and-charged-with-fraud-in-US-crackdown.html

    http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/major-online-poker-sites-accused-over-money-laundering-2269011.html


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1377470/Poker-websites-shut-FBI-probe-end-online-gambling.html

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-isle-of-man-13155474

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13114935

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13121768
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  • donkeyplopdonkeyplop
    edited April 2011
    Good job it hasnt been on tv over here as the plonkers in government here may take note and try taxing us!


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