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i ran great for a while last year but since December time lost about a third of my roll and been treading water for a bit.
even the tweaks to my game i've done with the help of dohhhhh, scotty and others have not helped in the bankroll sense. i just seem to sit down with those who play any 2 and unfortunately hit.
it gets you down, yes, but (hopefully) it will change soon.
BUT, even though i've lost a third i am still at a level of buy ins that means that if i lose one i will be annoyed,etc but once i've calmed down i sit down again with a fresh outlook.
have you been pushing too hard in trying to beat the challenge? I have a goal in £ terms to reach before i move up but i've set no time limit. then again sometimes i can put the volume in and other times i can hardly get the time to play a dym! this means for me variance can be a b**** because the volume isn't there to ride it out.
But there's more to being a successful poker player than the technical side of it.
Honestly- be serious with yourself. Are you going to blame going busto over and over on bad luck? Because if you are, you're kidding yourself. I bust my roll a few months back, and thought it was bad luck- but because I'm not a great believer in that, I decided to have a re-evaluation of my game instead. Look at hand histories, take advice on board, make sure you actually ARE making all the correct decisions. Make sure your game is absolutely tight before blaming bad luck.
Next, manage your discipline- namely BRM and tilt. If you have a short bankroll, you're gonna bust. So stop sitting with 100bbs at all tables! Your BR can't handle it!
When you lose a few big pots, step away from the table. Don't start open shoving with AQos- that's a donk play, you're better than that! Tilting isn't just mega things like that either, it can be a subtle change. When you're confident and playing your a game, for example, you fold 78s. When you begin to tilt, you open with them. When you're tilting a little more, you 3bet them. These are serious leaks (I'm not saying you actually do this, I'm just saying your hand selection will widen as you tilt). Be aware, be disciplined, and don't fall into that trap.
I'm going to second what JJ said- get a job before concerning about poker. It seems to me like everything is revolving around putting down too small an amount of money, and it being virtually life or death that you build it into a roll. That kind of pressure is an instant recipe for failure, no matter who you are or how good you are. Take a step away from poker and make sure you're a little more secure financially before attempting again, because this isn't the answer mate, seriously.
ive seen you sat at tables that i just wouldnt go near, i will sit with 1 maybe at a push 2 regs but there is no value there. stop looking for the big average pots as to me that usually means the fish has swum away. i like a nice ave pot of about a quid, lets me sit down n play my game, not to really get drawn into something i dont want to do, it also tells me its loose enough for big hands to get paid and if i bide my time it will happen
dont get me wrong im always looking for the catch and if they are around i will go hunting
Met you at Leeds you have a good attitude and could do well in the game you obviously are enthusiatic and willing to learn but it takes a lot of time and effort I have been playing for 7 years now and am fortunate to be ahead in most games mostly due to good game selection and slowly moving up the dym levels as bankroll allowed and having stabs at higher levels am now playing a bit more cash due to my downswing in dyms.I have a roll of about 3k and am mainly playing 10/20p and 15/30p with the odd stab at 25/50 but bad swings do happen see my sit n go stats on sharkscope fortunately I had a few good mtt results which cancelled out the downswing but it was still soul destroying to see 1k of my roll disappear without seemingly doing much different.But on reflection I was slowly but surely becoming tentative and losing aggression by not being willing to get the chips in with good hands preflop when blinds high and too often finishing 4th due to being short stacked.The same happens in cash if you are running bad you play scared wasting chips in hands due to not value betting when ahead fearing areraise and folding too bets when you know you might be ahead you then end up getting low and push too often lose a few flips and tilt been there done it and no doubt will do it again lol.
My advice is stop putting pressure on yourself to win maybe forget about cash for a while as you do not have the roll.Play low dyms only say 4 at a time and grind it up from there you have the game to beat those play low and after a while as your rol increases have one of the four dyms to a slightly higher buy in then 2 then 3 then move up a level completely this can be mind numbingly boring at times but if you want to build a roll and progress its the best way to do it imo.
If you are having a bad day stop completely never chase just stop chill out and make a fresh start the next day
most of all have fun !!!!!!!! hope that helps mate
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This may not be at all helpfull but I thought I'd let you know how I grew a bankroll from the same sort of situation that you currently find yourself in. Last April (I think) Orford issued his bankroll challenge. I had had my own problems with tilt and had gone bust maybe three times and decided that I would give poker one last shot. I deposited one pound and tried grinding DYMs, moving up in levels when I had 20 buy-ins. I had aimed to reach £100 in a month but only managed £30, which I wasn't altogether unhappy about. At the end of the month I got a job as an arts organiser so I didn't have as much time for poker, but I continued to grind DYMs and it took me another 4 months to reach the £100 mark. At this point I was finding it harder to beat the games and could sense a downswing coming, so I employed a 100 buy-in rule which I have adhered to since and have ground out a solid profit. I have since found STTs and cash really boring/frustrating so I'm only playing MTTs now as that is what I find the most enjoyable and where I have the best results. Although my bankroll isn't as big as I might have envisinged a year ago, I haven't been bust in well over a year. I hope you can take something from my scrawlings, and I hope you recover from this setback, if you chose to.
Best of luck
Will
Was a little bit crazy this morning. Will sort something out later.
like ppl have suggested I would probably mix it up with some DYM,s, but wait till your rolled for it
I like wacko,s suggestion of experimenting at that level and as someone else said table selection was key last night. after about 2am there were a few regs on the Nl4 and the ave pot sizes were pretty low. There was just no value on some of them
i found it hard myself last night but as i said in previous post it teaches you to be disciplined
I,m sure once you,ve slept on it you,ll be in a different mindset and my lsat bit of advice would be not to fall into the trap of letting it get to serious and spendng all your time thinking about it.
You need other things in life to take your mind of poker when your playing so many hours or you,ll just crack up
ps - After sharing tables with you for several hours and watching your game , you can bt this level over time imo
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Played simple solid poker, the results
PlayersPlayers Remaining: 0 / 15
Player Name
Chips
Rank
Prize
The_Don90 71250 1 £65 + 20 League Points
MADMOO 0 2 £39 + 16 League Points
igor1966 0 3 £26 + 12 League Points
micky6chin 0 4 8 League Points
Somehow this just feels weird 6 hours ago id thrown in the towel, likley to just curl up in a ball somewhere and not think about cards. Suddenly im back on track with a roll thats still pretty weak but manageable.
Closing Bankroll: £65.51
taking the rest of the night off and will get welll rested. Today has taken far more out of me than anyhting. Emotions have been a rollercoaster as much as the BR. I started this week with a meger bit more than a tenner. I grinded it while playing well, with a little run good to £38 then with a mix of bad luck and TERRIBLE play i was down as low as 51p. Shows ya really what poker is all about. Today has been one of the toughest times ive ever had since i started playing. Ive gone busto many times before, part of the parcel of the game with a small roll, but none have effected me the way it did today. Previously i just reloaded and got on with it. However i think it was the manner in how i lost it. I crumbled before my own eyes. Stress/tiredness every which way i looked and turned. I couldnt have done nothing.
Whats wierd though is ive had one NL4 reg saying my table selection was a problem, possible. But then theres another who said the one good thing about my AQ hand is that the table selection was good. I may occassionally bump into a decent reg, but really is it avoidable playing cash to play 2/3/4 tables without bumping into a single reg. The other problem ive had at night, theres 3 tables running and im planning to play 2, 2 regs on each minimum. Sometimes u gta take these. May approch the regs slightly differently now.
For now. Peace.
Went on 10p/20p 2 tabling and within 20 minutes won it back and another £50 - Its so much less robotic and you can actually get bluffs through - i,m getting fed up with the micro,s myself
I blame Dohhhh and his guide lol.
Gonna do some dyms. Finding NL4 alot harder than i should of late. Disipline has been effected. Curious though as advice
My BR allows me 20BIs for £3.30 which is more than sustainable. However ive always felt more comfortable at £5.50 which it could support but not much room for margin for error.
I curious as to what people think is best. I will be 2 tabling them, as ive found 4x Dyms at once just isnt profitable for me as usually i cant cash in all 4 in a go. 3 usually but if im out of one early the pressure of needing to cash in the other 3 to make a profit effects my game and i become Overly nitty.