New BR challenge - Back on track

unknown_username · May 2011

Nice win last night Don... chuffed for you

The_Don90 · May 2011

In Response to Re: New BR challenge - Back on track:

Nice win last night Don... chuffed for you
Posted by Neildown

ty m8

The_Don90 · May 2011

Brutal 2 dyms. Results in me losing both.

First one never got going, 2400 @ 300/600 blinds and im the shorty. Shove KQ, into QQ.

Other one, 2 shortys i get AQ on SB shorrty on BB so i shove, He calls 44. Lose a flip. Very next hand 88 v A8 flop brings an ace. Sometimes its just not meant to be

BR: £53.41

DOHHHHHHH · May 2011

In Response to Re: New BR challenge - Back on track:

Gonna do some dyms. Finding NL4 alot harder than i should of late. Disipline has been effected. Curious though as advice My BR allows me 20BIs for £3.30 which is more than sustainable. However ive always felt more comfortable at £5.50 which it could support but not much room for margin for error. I curious as to what people think is best. I will be 2 tabling them, as ive found 4x Dyms at once just isnt profitable for me as usually i cant cash in all 4 in a go. 3 usually but if im out of one early the pressure of needing to cash in the other 3 to make a profit effects my game and i become Overly nitty.
Posted by The_Don90

Play cash.

MP33 · May 2011

In Response to Re: New BR challenge - Back on track:

In Response to Re: New BR challenge - Back on track : Yea know the feeling. Just bumping into the regs frequently doesnt help. Night last few days certianly showing to me that theres been very little value at NL4, which is kind of weird. Since that update all in finding are decent regs who wont stack off light. I blame Dohhhh and his guide lol.
Posted by The_Don90

Turning a worthwhile profit from NL4 on a consistent basis is harder than some ppl think imo

The_Don90 · May 2011

This is seriously getting frustrating YET another losing session whrre i play welll

Winning hands

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Maxlobo3	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£13.70
oatso	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£3.13
	Your hole cards	K J
GADGETBOY1	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£4.96
The_Don90	Raise		£0.20	£0.30	£3.82
carper	Fold
Maxlobo3	Fold
oatso	Fold
GADGETBOY1	Call		£0.16	£0.46	£4.80
Flop
		4 8 6
GADGETBOY1	Check
The_Don90	Bet		£0.23	£0.69	£3.59
GADGETBOY1	Call		£0.23	£0.92	£4.57
Turn
		J
GADGETBOY1	Check
The_Don90	Bet		£0.69	£1.61	£2.90
GADGETBOY1	Call		£0.69	£2.30	£3.88
River
		A
GADGETBOY1	Check
The_Don90	Check
GADGETBOY1	Show	10 8
The_Don90	Show	K J
The_Don90	Win	Pair of Jacks	£2.12		£5.02

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
GADGETBOY1	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£4.24
The_Don90	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£5.04
carper	Big blind		£0.04	£0.10	£3.74
	Your hole cards	K A
archie10	Raise		£0.08	£0.18	£0.68
carper	Call		£0.04	£0.22	£3.70
oatso	Call		£0.08	£0.30	£3.99
GADGETBOY1	Call		£0.06	£0.36	£4.18
The_Don90	Raise		£0.76	£1.12	£4.28
archie10	All-in		£0.68	£1.80	£0.00
carper	Fold
oatso	Fold
GADGETBOY1	Call		£0.72	£2.52	£3.46
Flop
		K J 8
GADGETBOY1	All-in		£3.46	£5.98	£0.00
The_Don90	Call		£3.46	£9.44	£0.82
GADGETBOY1	Show	K J
The_Don90	Show	K A
archie10	Show	8 8
Turn
		A
River
		10
archie10	Win	Three 8s	£2.25		£2.25
The_Don90	Win	Two Pairs, Aces and Kings	£6.48		£7.30

off to a good start early then, but boom that doom switch is hit

Losing hands

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
The_Don90	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£4.11
archie10	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£3.72
	Your hole cards	6 6
security01	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£0.93
carper	Raise		£0.20	£0.30	£2.60
vaugha1971	Call		£0.20	£0.50	£1.26
The_Don90	Call		£0.18	£0.68	£3.93
archie10	Fold
security01	Call		£0.16	£0.84	£0.77
Flop
		K 2 6
The_Don90	Bet		£0.42	£1.26	£3.51
security01	Fold
carper	Call		£0.42	£1.68	£2.18
vaugha1971	Call		£0.42	£2.10	£0.84
Turn
		J
The_Don90	Bet		£1.58	£3.68	£1.93
carper	All-in		£2.18	£5.86	£0.00
vaugha1971	Fold
The_Don90	Call		£0.60	£6.46	£1.33
The_Don90	Show	6 6
carper	Show	K K
River
		7
carper	Win	Three Kings	£5.97		£5.97

Closing balance: £50.46

Had enough now tbh. Im not getting any sort of profit. and its not just one hand clearly as seen above, its a series of hands and im losing little amounts at once. Really dont know what im doing wrong. Playing simple ABC poker, get outdrawn consistantly, not hitting draws myself and its those hands that causing the profits and losses to be so great.

DOHHHHHHH · May 2011

First hand with KJ, I think you can safely bet/fold that river. He shouldn't have many aces and he will pay a bet if he flopped top pair.

Wd c betting with equity though,and you made a value hand on the turn. wp.

Hand 2 with AK, wp, - never say u run bad again.

Hand three, ul.

Keep grinding.

Play more tables, play for longer.

The_Don90 · May 2011

In Response to Re: New BR challenge - Back on track:

First hand with KJ, I think you can safely bet/fold that river. He shouldn't have many aces and he will pay a bet if he flopped top pair. Wd c betting with equity though,and you made a value hand on the turn. wp. Hand 2 with AK, wp, - never say u run bad again. Hand three, ul. Keep grinding. Play more tables, play for longer.
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

JJ the problem isnt in the above 3 hands. All are standard i think. The problem is that im losing other hands. Ill see if i can find examples.

Heres my only other winning hand above 50p AGAIN STANDARD

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
archie10	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£3.19
WHATALODOF	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£1.52
	Your hole cards	8 8
mole05	Fold
vaugha1971	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£0.70
The_Don90	Raise		£0.20	£0.30	£4.26
archie10	Call		£0.18	£0.48	£3.01
WHATALODOF	Fold
vaugha1971	Call		£0.16	£0.64	£0.54
Flop
		8 3 A
archie10	Check
vaugha1971	Check
The_Don90	Bet		£0.48	£1.12	£3.78
archie10	Fold
vaugha1971	Call		£0.48	£1.60	£0.06
Turn
		4
vaugha1971	All-in		£0.06	£1.66	£0.00
The_Don90	Call		£0.06	£1.72	£3.72
vaugha1971	Show	Q 7
The_Don90	Show	8 8
River
		A
The_Don90	Win	Full House, 8s and Aces	£1.59		£5.31

right so onto losing hands.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
oatso	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£3.86
allybungle	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£1.40
	Your hole cards	10 10
The_Don90	Raise		£0.20	£0.26	£7.08
archie10	Fold
duonross	Fold
carper	Call		£0.20	£0.46	£2.22
oatso	Fold
allybungle	Fold
Flop
		6 Q 4
The_Don90	Bet		£0.35	£0.81	£6.73
carper	Raise		£0.70	£1.51	£1.52
The_Don90	Call		£0.35	£1.86	£6.38
Turn
		K
The_Don90	Check
carper	All-in		£1.52	£3.38	£0.00
The_Don90	Fold
carper	Muck
carper	Win		£1.72		£1.72
carper	Return		£1.52	£0.14	£3.24

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
duonross	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£4.68
carper	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£3.09
oatso	Sit out
	Your hole cards	A 7
allybungle	Fold
The_Don90	Raise		£0.12	£0.18	£5.75
archie10	Call		£0.12	£0.30	£2.89
duonross	Fold
carper	Fold
Flop
		9 Q K
The_Don90	Bet		£0.15	£0.45	£5.60
archie10	Raise		£0.30	£0.75	£2.59
The_Don90	Call		£0.15	£0.90	£5.45
Turn
		8
The_Don90	Check
archie10	Bet		£0.36	£1.26	£2.23
The_Don90	Call		£0.36	£1.62	£5.09
River
		7
The_Don90	Check
archie10	Bet		£1.56	£3.18	£0.67
The_Don90	Fold
archie10	Muck
archie10	Win		£1.49		£2.16
archie10	Return		£1.56	£0.13	£3.72

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
The_Don90	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£4.11
chrisx2525	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£3.29
	Your hole cards	K A
Pigher	Fold
sexychic05	Fold
DadandLad	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£8.16
BLAGS01	Fold
The_Don90	Raise		£0.28	£0.38	£3.83
chrisx2525	Call		£0.26	£0.64	£3.03
DadandLad	Fold
Flop
		5 7 10
The_Don90	Bet		£0.48	£1.12	£3.35
chrisx2525	Call		£0.48	£1.60	£2.55
Turn
		9
The_Don90	Check
chrisx2525	Check
River
		8
The_Don90	Check
chrisx2525	Check
The_Don90	Show	K A
chrisx2525	Show	Q 10
chrisx2525	Win	Pair of 10s	£1.48		£4.03

Ok again i think standard. But would value opinions as these are the types of hands that are costing me long term. P.S bar the set over set thats all my losing handa above 50p and i was £3.50 up at one point so where the deuce have i lost the other £3.50.

DOHHHHHHH · May 2011

Fold the 10s to the raise on the flop. Ur calling for a 2 outer basically.

The AK is ok I guess......

The ace 7 is fine, if u were playing 4+ tables like u shud be I wud fold pre, but as ur focusing on 2 u can open A7s there, post flop is fine.

SHANXTA · May 2011

if u cant beat nl4 then grind £3/£5 dyms

u shud b able to make £20-£40 a day easy from these, but don't focus on ur mini session results, play 4 at a time, dnt tilt if u crash out of the 1st one, goin 2/4 is ok coz ur av mini sessions where u go 4/4. the worst thing u can do is change ur style just because uv crashed out of one early. infact don't even view it like that, if ur gonna play for 2/3/4 hrs then just load up a new one as soon as u finish one, and only check ur balance at d end

The_Don90 · May 2011

4/6 for HU STTs, really wish i knew the secrets of how to run as good as some of these guys.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
UWinBigOne	Small blind		50.00	50.00	810.00
The_Don90	Big blind		100.00	150.00	1040.00
	Your hole cards	9 A
UWinBigOne	All-in		810.00	960.00	0.00
The_Don90	Call		760.00	1720.00	280.00
UWinBigOne	Show	10 4
The_Don90	Show	9 A
Flop
		10 10 J
Turn
		K
River
		4
UWinBigOne	Win	Full House, 10s and 4s	1720.00		1720.00

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
The_Don90	Small blind		25.00	25.00	1405.00
Moonmin	Big blind		50.00	75.00	520.00
	Your hole cards	9 8
The_Don90	All-in		1405.00	1480.00	0.00
Moonmin	All-in		520.00	2000.00	0.00
The_Don90	Unmatched bet		860.00	1140.00	860.00
The_Don90	Show	9 8
Moonmin	Show	K 2
Flop
		K K A
Turn
		A
River
		K
Moonmin	Win	Four Kings	1140.00		1140.00

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
The_Don90	Small blind		25.00	25.00	860.00
Moonmin	Big blind		50.00	75.00	1065.00
	Your hole cards	6 5
The_Don90	Call		25.00	100.00	835.00
Moonmin	Raise		50.00	150.00	1015.00
The_Don90	Call		50.00	200.00	785.00
Flop
		K 4 7
Moonmin	Bet		50.00	250.00	965.00
The_Don90	All-in		785.00	1035.00	0.00
Moonmin	All-in		965.00	2000.00	0.00
Moonmin	Unmatched bet		230.00	1770.00	230.00
The_Don90	Show	6 5
Moonmin	Show	6 A
Turn
		J
River
		Q
Moonmin	Win	Flush to the Ace	1770.00		2000.00

exit hands of both losing games above

Closing BR: £53.23

Dudeskin8 · May 2011

From a few hands I've seen here you're C-betting WAY too often imo and then like the 10's calling a reraise, WTF are you hoping for? Really I would say just tighten up a LOT.

Also above HU STT you shove 1400 at 25/50 into a 10 BB stack who whatever he calls with will be ahead of you and you're giving him a freebie.

Then 65s hand you limp in, should just fold or raise yourself certainly don't limp call. When he bets an awful 50 just call with the right odds why do you need to shove ?

TENOFSPADE · May 2011

NO ,im not taking it ,NO,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,2P 4P cash ,,,,,,,,,,,,,u come on here ,want staking for cardiff .......................not having it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,NOT HAVING IT

The_Don90 · May 2011

In Response to Re: New BR challenge - Back on track:

From a few hands I've seen here you're C-betting WAY too often imo and then like the 10's calling a reraise, WTF are you hoping for? Really I would say just tighten up a LOT. Also above HU STT you shove 1400 at 25/50 into a 10 BB stack who whatever he calls with will be ahead of you and you're giving him a freebie. Then 65s hand you limp in, should just fold or raise yourself certainly don't limp call. When he bets an awful 50 just call with the right odds why do you need to shove ?
Posted by Dudeskin8

In this hand i shoved to apply pressure. i think i fold out alot of Qx/Jx/Tx hands, and if he calls i likley have 2 live cards.

Dudeskin8 · May 2011

Yes applying pressure is fine but when you have a 3-1 chip lead for me it's just about waiting for a hand where you pretty much know you're ahead, shoving with 89 just seems very gambly to me.

The_Don90 · May 2011

In Response to Re: New BR challenge - Back on track:

Yes applying pressure is fine but when you have a 3-1 chip lead for me it's just about waiting for a hand where you pretty much know you're ahead, shoving with 89 just seems very gambly to me.
Posted by Dudeskin8

maybe ur right, HU aggression comes into the game more, by giving him free walks on the BB im allowing him back into the game and it costs me more if i do double him up. 89 is a reasonable hand HU, and i cant raise fold so therefore i put him to the desision and i think he folds better

The_Don90 · May 2011

Seriously tilted right now so anything in this post that comes across as peeved off probably is but nothing meant by it.

Took on some advice, and i 6 tabled NL4. Using a tight range, calling with PPs or SC if the price was good. Results below.

Hands won over 50p.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
webber02	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£0.51
The_Don90	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£4.51
	Your hole cards	10 10
philabong	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£6.56
chrisx2525	Fold
McBoyd	Call		£0.04	£0.14	£2.21
The_sting	Call		£0.04	£0.18	£3.87
webber02	Call		£0.02	£0.20	£0.49
The_Don90	Raise		£0.56	£0.76	£3.95
philabong	Fold
McBoyd	Fold
The_sting	Fold
webber02	All-in		£0.49	£1.25	£0.00
The_Don90	Unmatched bet		£0.07	£1.18	£4.02
webber02	Show	Q A
The_Don90	Show	10 10
Flop
		J 5 2
Turn
		7
River
		10
The_Don90	Win	Three 10s	£1.09		£5.11

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
The_Don90	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£3.94
bryan1979	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£5.06
meloury	Sit out
	Your hole cards	J J
bestman	Raise		£0.20	£0.26	£3.94
TINTIN	Fold
STEVIE77	Fold
The_Don90	Raise		£0.82	£1.08	£3.12
bryan1979	Fold
bestman	Call		£0.64	£1.72	£3.30
Flop
		8 6 A
The_Don90	Bet		£1.29	£3.01	£1.83
bestman	Call		£1.29	£4.30	£2.01
Turn
		4
The_Don90	Check
bestman	Check
River
		10
The_Don90	Check
bestman	Check
The_Don90	Show	J J
bestman	Muck	7 7
The_Don90	Win	Pair of Jacks	£3.97		£5.80

Hands lost over 50p

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
63	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£4.18
jjn	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£0.62
	Your hole cards	A K
david20120	Fold
STEVIE77	Fold
The_Don90	Raise		£0.24	£0.30	£5.22
63	Fold
jjn	All-in		£0.62	£0.92	£0.00
The_Don90	Call		£0.42	£1.34	£4.80
jjn	Show	6 K
The_Don90	Show	A K
Flop
		2 9 A
Turn
		5
River
		3
jjn	Win	Flush to the King	£1.23		£1.23

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
philabong	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£6.37
chrisx2525	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£2.66
	Your hole cards	Q A
McBoyd	Fold
The_sting	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£3.99
webber02	Call		£0.04	£0.14	£0.96
The_Don90	Raise		£0.28	£0.42	£4.81
philabong	Fold
chrisx2525	Call		£0.24	£0.66	£2.42
The_sting	Call		£0.24	£0.90	£3.75
webber02	Fold
Flop
		Q 6 6
chrisx2525	Check
The_sting	Check
The_Don90	Bet		£0.68	£1.58	£4.13
chrisx2525	Call		£0.68	£2.26	£1.74
The_sting	Call		£0.68	£2.94	£3.07
Turn
		7
chrisx2525	All-in		£1.74	£4.68	£0.00
The_sting	Fold
The_Don90	Call		£1.74	£6.42	£2.39
chrisx2525	Show	7 7
The_Don90	Show	Q A
River
		3
chrisx2525	Win	Full House, 7s and 6s	£5.93		£5.93

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
winpence	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£4.29
The_Don90	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£3.77
	Your hole cards	7 8
biscano7	Fold
VAIDAS	Fold
keegans91	Fold
potty116	Raise		£0.12	£0.18	£3.63
winpence	Call		£0.10	£0.28	£4.19
The_Don90	Call		£0.08	£0.36	£3.69
Flop
		7 2 8
winpence	Check
The_Don90	Bet		£0.27	£0.63	£3.42
potty116	All-in		£3.63	£4.26	£0.00
winpence	Fold
The_Don90	Call		£3.36	£7.62	£0.06
The_Don90	Show	7 8
potty116	Show	Q Q
Turn
		4
River
		Q
potty116	Win	Three Queens	£7.04		£7.04

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
The_Don90	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£4.23
ED0N100	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£3.67
	Your hole cards	K A
russtee	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£1.04
MacLik	Call		£0.04	£0.14	£1.68
Micknick	Raise		£0.12	£0.26	£3.85
palacelad	Raise		£0.44	£0.70	£0.61
The_Don90	Call		£0.42	£1.12	£3.81
ED0N100	Fold
russtee	Fold
MacLik	Fold
Micknick	Call		£0.32	£1.44	£3.53
Flop
		8 6 4
The_Don90	Bet		£1.08	£2.52	£2.73
Micknick	Call		£1.08	£3.60	£2.45
palacelad	All-in		£0.61	£4.21	£0.00
Turn
		4
The_Don90	All-in		£2.73	£6.94	£0.00
Micknick	All-in		£2.45	£9.39	£0.00
The_Don90	Unmatched bet		£0.28	£9.11	£0.28
The_Don90	Show	K A
Micknick	Show	K K
palacelad	Show	10 Q
River
		9
Micknick	Win	Two Pairs, Kings and 4s	£8.42		£8.42

Closing balance: £42.20

Seriously, im not meaning to sound harsh. People who say NL4 is easy to beat go grind it out for a few days. I know Dohhhh done 9 tables for an hour an posted up a review. Sorry JJ but its not enough game time IMHO, yes alot of the points you made are valid and most of them useful, but really at the end of the day, its clear to me that you need to be a luckbox to beat this level. So far today im down nearly £20, a good chunk (all actually bar £6 and i won £3 back in HUs, so thats £17) has came from NL4.

Now ive competed at higher levels, ive beaten better players than the ones im playing. Im making money nearly everywhere else, yet i can't beat NL4. Something just doesnt smell right. Anyways Rant is over.

grantorino · May 2011

calling the flop raise with TT is bad unless you have reads and intend calling down a lot

shoving 98s pre when you have a big chip and skill advantage is bad. I dont see why you cant raise/fold small, even if you cant I prefer limping or folding in this spot

65s raise or fold pre, if you are going to limpcall anyway raising is much better imo. I dont see much reason to shove rather than call flop

grantorino · May 2011

the last ones are fine except Im not too sure about the AK one. I prob 4b/c pre, esp as you can isolate shorty, or I would consider folding to the 3bet. I dont see many reasons to flat

On flop I m definitely not leading

pod1 · May 2011

just gonna chuck something into the mix here don in your defence (prob gonna get shot down mind) have you thought about your style of play doesnt suit nl4. your a very agro player so if you lose you lose big.not all ob but a lot of players at this level wont give up on hands if they hit/have anything,and i think its costing you. i wont play nl4 not because i am a poker snob but because it would bake my head the way it plays out. ive played a lot against you and you are good enough to make good money at nl20/30(if i can ,you certainly can). play your own game don, dont get too caught up on the "am i playing it right or wrong" gl phil

The_Don90 · May 2011

In Response to Re: New BR challenge - Back on track:

just gonna chuck something into the mix here don in your defence (prob gonna get shot down mind) have you thought about your style of play doesnt suit nl4. your a very agro player so if you lose you lose big.not all ob but a lot of players at this level wont give up on hands if they hit/have anything,and i think its costing you. i wont play nl4 not because i am a poker snob but because it would bake my head the way it plays out. ive played a lot against you and you are good enough to make good money at nl20/30(if i can ,you certainly can). play your own game don, dont get too caught up on the "am i playing it right or wrong" gl phil
Posted by pod1

i actually say the same countless times. I said it to dohhh the other day, to even get close to winning at NL4 im playing a game so different from my natural game. However im just not rolled for NL20/30

The_Don90 · May 2011

Another annoying 6 table session. Still finding 6 tables is not enough to keep my range tight enough but not really rolled to do any more. Although this was frustrating session, it was slightly profitable. Although feeling tilted, understandable when you consider the last hand i played, expessially when i was playing like a rock..

Winning hands above £1

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
geobling28	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£10.49
DeucesLive	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£5.83
we8villa	Big blind		£0.04	£0.10	£1.56
	Your hole cards	A J
GED18	Call		£0.04	£0.14	£3.80
we8villa	Check
The_Don90	Call		£0.04	£0.18	£3.90
geobling28	Call		£0.02	£0.20	£10.47
DeucesLive	Check
Flop
		A Q J
geobling28	Check
DeucesLive	Check
GED18	Bet		£0.04	£0.24	£3.76
we8villa	Fold
The_Don90	Raise		£0.32	£0.56	£3.58
geobling28	Fold
DeucesLive	Fold
GED18	Call		£0.28	£0.84	£3.48
Turn
		6
GED18	Check
The_Don90	Bet		£0.84	£1.68	£2.74
GED18	Call		£0.84	£2.52	£2.64
River
		3
GED18	Check
The_Don90	All-in		£2.74	£5.26	£0.00
GED18	Fold
The_Don90	Muck
The_Don90	Win		£2.33		£2.33
The_Don90	Return		£2.74	£0.19	£5.07

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
aurelien	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£1.64
The_Don90	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£3.90
	Your hole cards	Q A
samsam	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£5.60
OhDancing1	Fold
69joe	Fold
A00DGM	Fold
aurelien	Call		£0.02	£0.12	£1.62
The_Don90	Raise		£0.32	£0.44	£3.58
samsam	Fold
aurelien	Call		£0.32	£0.76	£1.30
Flop
		A A 2
aurelien	Check
The_Don90	Bet		£0.38	£1.14	£3.20
aurelien	All-in		£1.30	£2.44	£0.00
The_Don90	Call		£0.92	£3.36	£2.28
aurelien	Show	7 A
The_Don90	Show	Q A
Turn
		3
River
		Q
The_Don90	Win	Full House, Aces and Queens	£3.10		£5.38

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
SCUD553	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£2.65
pdavo100	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£3.49
	Your hole cards	Q Q
freechips1	Raise		£0.20	£0.26	£4.00
Micknick	Fold
The_Don90	Raise		£0.84	£1.10	£2.42
SCUD553	Call		£0.82	£1.92	£1.83
pdavo100	Fold
freechips1	Call		£0.64	£2.56	£3.36
Flop
		6 J 8
SCUD553	All-in		£1.83	£4.39	£0.00
freechips1	Fold
The_Don90	Call		£1.83	£6.22	£0.59
SCUD553	Show	3 J
The_Don90	Show	Q Q
Turn
		K
River
		4
The_Don90	Win	Pair of Queens	£5.75		£6.34

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Cityblue1	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£0.57
The_Don90	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£4.19
	Your hole cards	K K
dorky	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£1.61
Polymath	Fold
Cityblue1	Call		£0.02	£0.12	£0.55
The_Don90	Raise		£0.16	£0.28	£4.03
dorky	Call		£0.16	£0.44	£1.45
Cityblue1	Fold
Flop
		8 A 7
The_Don90	Check
dorky	Check
Turn
		5
The_Don90	Bet		£0.22	£0.66	£3.81
dorky	Call		£0.22	£0.88	£1.23
River
		2
The_Don90	Check
dorky	All-in		£1.23	£2.11	£0.00
The_Don90	Call		£1.23	£3.34	£2.58
The_Don90	Show	K K
dorky	Show	J 10
The_Don90	Win	Pair of Kings	£3.08		£5.66

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
rancid	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£3.90
69joe	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£5.45
	Your hole cards	A J
A00DGM	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£5.23
roy5	Call		£0.04	£0.14	£1.10
The_Don90	Raise		£0.20	£0.34	£5.70
rancid	Raise		£0.53	£0.87	£3.37
69joe	Fold
A00DGM	Fold
roy5	Fold
The_Don90	Call		£0.35	£1.22	£5.35
Flop
		J 5 2
rancid	Bet		£0.84	£2.06	£2.53
The_Don90	Call		£0.84	£2.90	£4.51
Turn
		7
rancid	Check
The_Don90	Bet		£1.45	£4.35	£3.06
rancid	Fold
The_Don90	Muck
The_Don90	Win		£2.68		£5.74
The_Don90	Return		£1.45	£0.22	£7.19

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
The_Don90	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£3.98
peacock10	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£4.05
	Your hole cards	J J
stevejon14	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£0.81
mastodon16	Fold
eamonn1959	Call		£0.04	£0.14	£4.54
The_Don90	Raise		£0.88	£1.02	£3.10
peacock10	Call		£0.86	£1.88	£3.19
stevejon14	Fold
eamonn1959	Fold
Flop
		10 K 3
The_Don90	Bet		£0.94	£2.82	£2.16
peacock10	Call		£0.94	£3.76	£2.25
Turn
		3
The_Don90	Check
peacock10	Check
River
		10
The_Don90	Check
peacock10	All-in		£2.25	£6.01	£0.00
The_Don90	All-in		£2.16	£8.17	£0.00
peacock10	Unmatched bet		£0.09	£8.08	£0.09
The_Don90	Show	J J
peacock10	Show	Q A
The_Don90	Win	Two Pairs, Jacks and 10s	£7.47		£7.47

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
iandon	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£2.61
tonytubs65	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£3.80
	Your hole cards	Q A
Imafish	Fold
denty765	Fold
The_Don90	Raise		£0.24	£0.30	£4.11
iandon	All-in		£2.61	£2.91	£0.00
tonytubs65	Fold
The_Don90	Call		£2.39	£5.30	£1.72
iandon	Show	K K
The_Don90	Show	Q A
Flop
		K J 8
Turn
		3
River
		10
The_Don90	Win	Straight to the Ace	£4.90		£6.62

Losing hands over £1.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
69joe	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£9.23
A00DGM	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£5.34
	Your hole cards	Q Q
roy5	Fold
The_Don90	Raise		£0.20	£0.26	£6.73
rancid	Call		£0.20	£0.46	£3.42
69joe	Call		£0.18	£0.64	£9.05
A00DGM	Fold
Flop
		2 7 2
69joe	Bet		£0.32	£0.96	£8.73
The_Don90	Raise		£1.28	£2.24	£5.45
rancid	Fold
69joe	Raise		£1.92	£4.16	£6.81
The_Don90	Call		£0.96	£5.12	£4.49
Turn
		4
69joe	All-in		£6.81	£11.93	£0.00
The_Don90	All-in		£4.49	£16.42	£0.00
69joe	Unmatched bet		£2.32	£14.10	£2.32
69joe	Show	2 3
The_Don90	Show	Q Q
River
		10
69joe	Win	Three 2s	£13.04		£15.36

Closing Balance: £47.98

Frustrating when your crushing and winning, clearly abit up to still be £5 up after losing that last pot and then it hits you like that. However lots of positives to take from the session and confidence slowly comming back. I think 6 tables certainly is helping, once i add a few more BIs to my roll i may actually add more as i felt comfortable and was still playing slightly looser than i could have. Rekon i still need to cut a few needless hands out. With only one losing hand above £1 aswell, although its a big one, its an improvement on recent sessions where ive had a good number.

scotty77 · May 2011

nice tournie bink. it seems like ur tilting. don't play cash at all tomorrow. if you wanna play try a couple of small stakes tournies?

The_Don90 · May 2011

In Response to Re: New BR challenge - Back on track:

nice tournie bink. it seems like ur tilting. don't play cash at all tomorrow. if you wanna play try a couple of small stakes tournies?
Posted by scotty77

Yea i was tilting a little came straight off the tables after that QQ hand and posted up, usually my posts a little ratty after a bad beat. chilled out abit now. Tournies are where im most comfortable i have to admit, i just dont have the roll to support them, as i find them pretty addicting. Although ive made a little deal with myself, if i can win 4 or more BIs in a day ill treat myself to an MTT of 2.30 - 5.50 depending on whats on at the time. this would still leave me in profit if i dont cash and a nice little bonus if i do.

i have mellowed down abit, found the last few days really hard and difficult tbh, however with more tables loaded im feeling a bit better about it all, and i think the last update i made shows it. One bad beat (can i have call it a bad beat all the money went in i was behind) and i came off the tables as i didnt feel upto playing. I think thats the disipline I need to improve if im ever to stop tilting and maybe even start winning again.

Ty for the comment though. im glad its not only me thats noticing.

The_Don90 · May 2011

Got a quick 45 mins as i couldnt sleep. Would probably have played alot longer as there was alot of value on the tables tonight, mixed with a good few sharks. However im getting better at this isolate the fish and dont face the reg stuff. Which is good. What i found difficult in this session and the reason why im stopping is im finding 6 tables as close to ideal as possible. However looking at NL4 lobby, I was getting 3 tables with good value on it, with a single reg to boot, then 3 others that either 3 regs on the table which isnt ideal when your playing ABC poker, or the max stack on the table was £1.04 which is horrible. You think YEY my aces held, oh for the love of god after rake i win less than a quid.

On the whole though i think i am getting better im more disipled and quitting when i tilted today returning when ive cooled off a little.,

Mini session results.

Winning hands over £1

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Machka	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£4.13
surfer1966	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£3.66
	Your hole cards	A 10
SINGA	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£8.22
The_Don90	Raise		£0.20	£0.30	£3.74
Machka	Fold
surfer1966	Call		£0.16	£0.46	£3.50
SINGA	Call		£0.16	£0.62	£8.06
Flop
		2 4 10
surfer1966	Check
SINGA	Check
The_Don90	Bet		£0.62	£1.24	£3.12
surfer1966	Fold
SINGA	Call		£0.62	£1.86	£7.44
Turn
		6
SINGA	Check
The_Don90	Bet		£1.40	£3.26	£1.72
SINGA	Call		£1.40	£4.66	£6.04
River
		K
SINGA	Check
The_Don90	Check
SINGA	Show	4 9
The_Don90	Show	A 10
The_Don90	Win	Pair of 10s	£4.31		£6.03

Above hand notes on the player where pretty specific i was ahead (or he had KT), Got distracted by a lovley looking AK on another table at the time and ended up checking daft really as he has to call a shove on the river. Missed value here.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
SINGA	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£5.73
The_Don90	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£6.22
	Your hole cards	K K
Machka	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£4.16
surfer1966	Raise		£0.20	£0.30	£3.20
SINGA	Fold
The_Don90	Raise		£0.80	£1.10	£5.42
Machka	Fold
surfer1966	All-in		£3.20	£4.30	£0.00
The_Don90	Call		£2.56	£6.86	£2.86
The_Don90	Show	K K
surfer1966	Show	K A
Flop
		2 5 7
Turn
		8
River
		2
The_Don90	Win	Flush to the King	£6.34		£9.20

Standard

Losing hands above £1

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
The_Don90	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£3.97
TUNES	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£1.86
	Your hole cards	A J
devonfish5	Raise		£0.12	£0.18	£5.72
jjjach	Fold
wereISevr1	Fold
The_Don90	Call		£0.10	£0.28	£3.87
TUNES	Fold
Flop
		A 5 9
The_Don90	Check
devonfish5	Bet		£0.08	£0.36	£5.64
The_Don90	Call		£0.08	£0.44	£3.79
Turn
		K
The_Don90	Check
devonfish5	Bet		£0.08	£0.52	£5.56
The_Don90	Raise		£0.28	£0.80	£3.51
devonfish5	Raise		£0.40	£1.20	£5.16
The_Don90	Call		£0.20	£1.40	£3.31
River
		4
The_Don90	Check
devonfish5	Bet		£0.70	£2.10	£4.46
The_Don90	Call		£0.70	£2.80	£2.61
devonfish5	Show	K A
The_Don90	Muck	A J
devonfish5	Win	Two Pairs, Aces and Kings	£2.59		£7.05

Played this one like a n00b really didnt feel right with the 8p bet on the flop, then im the clever guy who says ill check raise the turn with TPGK for info. I get my answer and still pay. Really disappointed with how i play this. The re-raise on turn is a huge message im behind. Played the whole hand badly tbh.

Closing Balance: £50.12

On the whole im feeling im picking up mistakes, improving disipline and improving my tilt situation all at once. Ive jotted up a BR management plan for the future that will be quite strict on myself, but with rewards for good sessions. Im still thinking about room for movement, although i will state is stricter than the one DOHHHHHH wrote as a guide for me in the clinic. Really think BRM has been a huge issue that ive not delt with properly.

Rewards that im including in my BRM play are basic stuff like a tournament entry with a % of my profit from a session (no more than 25%), attempt to get onto a mastercash table if the limits again dont hurt my roll too much. A night out, something which i never do anymore but think the odd one as a treat would be acceptable. Basic simple stuff these are just a few examples.

I know this means that im going to be at NL4 for even longer, if i ever reach my targets, but i think by taking that extra month or 2 @ NL4 i can play more tables, play a more comfortable roll which should in turn help my tilt. I know its usually been the beat thats effected me, but then ive never had a proper strong roll in which losing a BI or 2 doesnt effect. Moving back down the levels once ive moved up is something that haunts me. Its why i went bust that first roll i build because i simply refused to move back down the levels after a couple of bad sessions. Looking back at basic mistakes like that really have opened my eyes a little, playing this niggly little spew roll has taught me even more than a Bigger BR means more room for manuver.

67Bhoys · May 2011

In Response to Re: New BR challenge - Back on track:

if u cant beat nl4 then grind £3/£5 dyms u shud b able to make £20-£40 a day easy from these, but don't focus on ur mini session results, play 4 at a time, dnt tilt if u crash out of the 1st one, goin 2/4 is ok coz ur av mini sessions where u go 4/4. the worst thing u can do is change ur style just because uv crashed out of one early. infact don't even view it like that, if ur gonna play for 2/3/4 hrs then just load up a new one as soon as u finish one, and only check ur balance at d end
Posted by SHANXTA

Got to agree with you Shanxta, if you can find a level of dym's that you can win an average of 2 out of 3, then you can definately boost your bankroll.

Dudeskin8 · May 2011

I think you're still being overly aggressive in some of your hands. In your first post last night you make a good reraise pre with JJ then cbet OOP on an ace high board very big at £1.29 I think this is too risky and would instead prefer a check.

The AK and AQ after it are really horrible coolers and you shouldn't be angry here but extremely happy with how you played it.

The 78s I would just fold pre, of course after flop it's another nasty beat.

And the AKs I'd be reraising pre and calling a shove.

Later in the 2nd post you limp on the button with AJ, I hope this was a misclick.

KK you playe better by checking the ace high flop then getting paid after but on turn half-pot bet is a little weak still.

JJ later on massive 88p raise pre and yet another strong cbet OOP, for me this is not an optimal play, yes it's weak to check fold but often they will check behind, by betting you can get raised and then lose more.

AQs you raise 6x then call off £2.61, not that sure on this one that's a pretty big bet to call off and I'd rather have at Least AK/JJ maybe 1010.

DOHHHHHHH · May 2011

In Response to Re: New BR challenge - Back on track:

Got a quick 45 mins as i couldnt sleep. Would probably have played alot longer as there was alot of value on the tables tonight, mixed with a good few sharks. However im getting better at this isolate the fish and dont face the reg stuff. Which is good. What i found difficult in this session and the reason why im stopping is im finding 6 tables as close to ideal as possible. However looking at NL4 lobby, I was getting 3 tables with good value on it, with a single reg to boot, then 3 others that either 3 regs on the table which isnt ideal when your playing ABC poker, or the max stack on the table was £1.04 which is horrible. You think YEY my aces held, oh for the love of god after rake i win less than a quid. On the whole though i think i am getting better im more disipled and quitting when i tilted today returning when ive cooled off a little.
Posted by The_Don90

There aren't any sharks at this level.

Wd on getting back on track tho.

Another 2 x 2 hour 6 table grinds today if u have time.

The_Don90 · May 2011

In Response to Re: New BR challenge - Back on track:

In Response to Re: New BR challenge - Back on track : There aren't any sharks at this level. Wd on getting back on track tho. Another 2 x 2 hour 6 table grinds today if u have time.
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

Ill see what i can do. Gna watch the grand prix then gta go see a mate (promised them id go and see them the day i was at the SPT) so cant break a promise twice. Should get at least 1x2 hr 6 table session in.

P.S. That was meant to say regs

YOUNG_GUN · May 2011

I cba to go through all the hands but hand 1 i dont think you should be opening UTG with KJ off, i think its very bad and -ev

New BR challenge - Back on track

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