"Sit & DOHHHHHHH Diary"

DOHHHHHHH

In Response to Re: "Sit & DOHHHHHHH Diary":

Bit of a delicate - or indelicate - question this, but here goes..... You talk of problems motivating yourself to do things - get out of bed, go out, whatever. Have you ever had a real job, a proper day job? If not, have you considered getting a job? The thing with a job is that it motivates us, gives us focus in our life, gives us a reason to get up, earns us money, & the chance to do well at that job & be successful, give us some self-esteem & pride if we do it well. Self-esteem is a good thing.   And when we have a job, poker - in our recreational time - is 10 times more fun.   Apologies if the question is inappropriate, but it's well-intended.
Posted by Tikay10

I had a couple of part time jobs during university, working in a warehouse on a weekend and at Donny racecourse each time there was a race meeting. 

But since uni, nothing. 

The problem was I was making too much easy money on here to bother with a job immediately, (I've confessed many times, and will again, a very very poor decision on my part) and then I slipped into bad ways which I've previously mentioned and it's led to where I am now. 

It's a short/mid term goal, it's not possible at the moment. People will assume lazyness/BS etc and that's fine, but it really isn't an option right now. 

I did 2 x 8hr days in a row playing online pokerz in my bedroom and the response on hear was overwhelmingly negative, multiple people teling me I'm pushing myself way too hard. 

A job right now would be 100x harder. 

I have to do everything really slowly (unfortuantely). 

There's nowt more frustrating than having to hold myself back, expecially when there's a good chance that tomorrow will be a 'bad day', but thems the rules.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exposure_therapy

As with alot of things atm, Im working on it

Tikay10

Accept all that, & no, I'm was abso not suggesting laziness or whatever.

However, I don't actually think you can equate the negativity that arose from the 8 hour poker sessions (neck twitching, muscle spasms, eyes watering etc) to a day job though.

8 hour poker sessions are hugely intensive, really hard mentally, requiring maximum, unbroken, intensive concentration, staring at a screen, unable to take a break, for 8 hours. Regular day jobs are nothing like as intensive. Personally, I don't believe for one moment that a day job would be 10 times harder - quite the opposite.

That said, I take on board your particular problems, yeah.    

PRees

I forgot to add actually that if you did progress to Ginseng tablets/capsules (which are much more potent) it's worth getting an "extended release" version to ret@rd absorption. That should help to avoid the ups and downs associated with stimulants.

F_Ivanovic

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 At the time I remember likening it to a patient recovering from 2 broken legs being expected to walk to the surgery for continued treatment. 
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

Great analogy for it. Agree with everything you said in reply! 

re. Getting a job: I've not had a job since Uni either which is over 2 years ago for me and I was thinking of getting one recently after I had a bad day at poker and being down the following day - then came along the Punta Cana promotion and I was like: well I can't get one now! It's actually been really good for me when I have to get out of bed for something. A full time job obviously wouldn't suit you now, but what apart trying to find voluntary work even for a couple hours a day? Or if you could find a part time job again where your not doing any more than 4 hours and a maximum of 10 per week? 

DOHHHHHHH

Voluntary work is a great shout Ivan, can't say it was something I'd considered until now but it would fit in very nicely with where I'm heading atm. 

I think i've read on your diary before that you're a veggie? or a vegan? 

I watched a show on netflix last night called cowspiracy.

Pretty mind blowing if it's all accurate. 

Had no idea that my bacon butties came at such a cost!  

"so, what are you going to do about it doh?"

 

The problem is just changing some things, like eating less meat etc isn't good enough is it?

Got to be all or nothing. 

Big ask!!! haha. 

I'm ducking the question.

Hopefully when I read some critics/reviews of the show it all turns out to be lies, that'd be the ideal outcome

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Failed on the challenge yesterday.

I've been uber tired again the last few days, sleeping for 2/3 hours during each afternoon and I just couldn't be Rsd to do any study.

Did about 30 mins.

Learnt how to balance my 4bet bluff range on the button.

That'll be handy, given I've 4b bluffed 5/6 times in 45,000 hands. 

Will ship a few quid to charity as punishment for failing the challenge and then stick to volume based goals in future. 

Playing again tonight, no volz targets as it's the last of the 3 'chilled days' after the weekend.

Proper grind back Thurs -------> Sun. 

percival09

*deleted earlier post to rewrite...

I was thinking about what I wrote and then found I actually disagreed with it. For those that didn't read it, I was just basically saying red meat should be consumed rarely, but poultry is ok to eat more often. I remember a lecture I went to which basically ripped apart this piece of misinformation and I actually managed to forget that I changed my mind on the issue generally speaking, both red meats and poultry are ok to be eaten but both should be in moderation, like most things. What's important to note is where you're getting your meat from - the quality of your meat actually plays an important factor. A cut from your local butcher is likely to be completely fine, whereas one from a typical supermarket is likely to have been corn fed and from corn feeding comes two problems - antibiotics and hormones. This is all very true and I'm sure it's what you saw on the documentary - from what I can recall, cows are supposed to heve a strict diet of grass (thank god I'm human), and when they are forced to eat something else, they become sick. The only thing for the farmers to do at this point is to stuff them with antibiotics to avoid the other cows getting infected. so, if you can afford it, consider shopping at a more high quality supermarket or if you live near one, go to the butchers

So, there are actually many valid ethical arguments to consider when thinking about veggie. perhaps one of the most apparent is the one we've been discussing - farm animals are treated badly - but there are also other reasons. for example, producing a KG of meat requires FAR more land, water, fertilisers and other inputs than necessary for producing an equivalent amount of veggies! The benefits of avoiding meat consumption here are obvious...

there's also some other argument but I've forgotten it

Phantom66

GL in the diary derby with jac.

As I said on his diary whoever wins will have come thru 2 tough ties.

DOHHHHHHH

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*deleted earlier post to rewrite... I was thinking about what I wrote and then found I actually disagreed with it. For those that didn't read it, I was just basically saying red meat should be consumed rarely, but poultry is ok to eat more often. I remember a lecture I went to which basically ripped apart this piece of misinformation and I actually managed to forget that I changed my mind on the issue generally speaking, both red meats and poultry are ok to be eaten but both should be in moderation, like most things. What's important to note is where you're getting your meat from - the quality of your meat actually plays an important factor. A cut from your local butcher is likely to be completely fine, whereas one from a typical supermarket is likely to have been corn fed and from corn feeding comes two problems - antibiotics and hormones. This is all very true and I'm sure it's what you saw on the documentary - from what I can recall, cows are supposed to heve a strict diet of grass (thank god I'm human), and when they are forced to eat something else, they become sick. The only thing for the farmers to do at this point is to stuff them with antibiotics to avoid the other cows getting infected. so, if you can afford it, consider shopping at a more high quality supermarket or if you live near one, go to the butchers So, there are actually many valid ethical arguments to consider when thinking about veggie. perhaps one of the most apparent is the one we've been discussing - farm animals are treated badly - but there are also other reasons. for example, producing a KG of meat requires FAR more land, water, fertilisers and other inputs than necessary for producing an equivalent amount of veggies! The benefits of avoiding meat consumption here are obvious... there's also some other argument but I've forgotten it
Posted by percival09

People prob gonna hate this, but I'm going to write it anyway.

Is there any point? Will it make a difference?

When discussing it off here, I've compard it to voting in the general election.

It's not something I've ever done, because my vote will never ever ever make a difference. 

It's like a million to 1 shot that a national vote or even a smaller scale vote will ever be won by 1 single vote. 

So in my opinion there is no point in voting. You're not making a diffrence. 

You can make a difference, if you go out campaigning and effectively win your 'team' hundreds, or even thousands of votes that they wouldn't otherwise get.

It is more likely (altho still insanely unlikely) that a vote could be close enough for say 5k votes to swing it. 

People always say "well if everyone had that attitude, no1 would vote"

.....but everyone doesn't have that attitutude. It's a pretty huge 'if'.

If everyone did have that attitude, I would change my attitude, obviously. 

If only a hanfful of people voted, my vote would now be alot more (although still not very) likely to impact the result. 

Anyone voting and thinking their 1 single vote is important is just wronggggg imo. 

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So if I go veggie, is it going to change anything? Nah.  

If there was a vote tomorrow (lawl) and lets say I had to vote or it cost me a grand or something, I would be happy to vote against meat being legal, and therefore everyone in the world has to stop eating it and therefore we have a solution to the problem.

If I stop scranning meat, nowt is going to change is it. 

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Fwiw the most shocking thing on the documentry for me was a stat about 3rd world countries where there are a high % of people starving.

82% of the food farmed in those countries is fed to cows, for the production of meat for people in wealthier countries.

That really hit me hard that 1, grim. 

TeddyBloat

in my early twenties i stopped eating meat as i did feel that when there are countries who cant feed their own people using what farmable land they have to fatten up animals to sell to us in the west was something i couldnt be a part of.

ultimately i liked bacon too much and went back to the darkside after 4 years.

a vegetarian diet can be just as harmful to animals, maybe more so.

eggs are battery farmed.

cows are fed to bloating and kettled into milking pens. they are inseminated over and over so they produce calves [and therefore milk]. under a vegetarian world half of these calves are male and are therefore superfluous to milk production / farming in general.

GELDY

but if those countries didn't export their food they would be even poorer and life there would be even sh*ttier :-(

percival09

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In Response to Re: "Sit & DOHHHHHHH Diary" : People prob gonna hate this, but I'm going to write it anyway. Is there any point? Will it make a difference? When discussing it off here, I've compard it to voting in the general election. It's not something I've ever done, because my vote will never ever ever make a difference.  It's like a million to 1 shot that a national vote or even a smaller scale vote will ever be won by 1 single vote.  So in my opinion there is no point in voting. You're not making a diffrence.  You can make a difference, if you go out campaigning and effectively win your 'team' hundreds, or even thousands of votes that they wouldn't otherwise get. It is more likely (altho still insanely unlikely) that a vote could be close enough for say 5k votes to swing it.  People always say "well if everyone had that attitude, no1 would vote" .....but everyone doesn't have that attitutude. It's a pretty huge 'if'. If everyone did have that attitude, I would change my attitude, obviously.  If only a hanfful of people voted, my vote would now be alot more (although still not very) likely to impact the result.  Anyone voting and thinking their 1 single vote is important is just wronggggg imo.  ---- So if I go veggie, is it going to change anything? Nah.   If there was a vote tomorrow (lawl) and lets say I had to vote or it cost me a grand or something, I would be happy to vote against meat being legal, and therefore everyone in the world has to stop eating it and therefore we have a solution to the problem. If I stop scranning meat, nowt is going to change is it.  ----- Fwiw the most shocking thing on the documentry for me was a stat about 3rd world countries where there are a high % of people starving. 82% of the food farmed in those countries is fed to cows, for the production of meat for people in wealthier countries. That really hit me hard that 1, grim. 
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

will reply properly later, but I think the main concern I have with this post is that you're underestimating the amount of people who did/do have the same thought process as yourself. A lot of people do something about it, sure, but a lot don't (probably the majority) and imagine if these people all actually decided to do something about it - there would of cours be a noticeable shift. These are people that actually had the same through process as yourself, so it's totally reasonable to think that they at least have a decent chance of deciding to doing something rather than not. If less people avoided it, then everything would surely be better. I think that's reason enough to at least try. 

and your argument pretty much boils down to this - you think it's justifiable to essentially exploit the fact that others will take care of something, allowing you to be lazy and enjoy doing what you're doing. Ofc I do it too - but that's what your argument is heh

RE voting, I despise the argument of "people fought for your right to vote so voting is the least you can do!!!!!!"

yes but they also fought for my right NOT to vote. 

DOHHHHHHH

Update, I'm giving vegi-ness a go. 

I was initially going to set myself a challenge simply not to eat meat, by that I meant avoid putting lamb/beef/bacon in my gob and chewing etc. 

I couldn't be ar sed checking everything I eat to make sure there was no trace of meat in it and that it was veggie friendly, 

I wasn't bothered about that as it was only supposed to be a personal challenge to see if I could do it. 

Alas, the inevitable "if you're eating gravy you might as well eat the whole cow" comments came flooding in, and I was taunted into taking on the full official veggie challenge, the whole Hogg

It starts Monday, as it'd be rude not to scoff my fridge full of Pig first. 

Just to clarify, it's not for anything other than a personal test/experiment, I'm not suddenly contradicting everything I said in the previous post by doing this, and if it has negative impacts on my health and I feel even more cra p than usual I'll just quit happily without any regrets. 

Mate of mine wants me to post that I turned down an evens bet on me being successful. 

He thinks it shows the attempt is half hearted and that it implies that I know I'm going to fail. 

I think it shows that I know I'm < 50% to succeed. 

Initial aim is 4 weeks. 

Then re-assess. 

Lets do this! (on Monday)

F_Ivanovic

My girlfriend (who's been veggie most of life) watched Cowspiracy the other day and I caught glimpses of it whilst I was grinding poker. Most of it is stuff I already knew, but still fascinating. Earthlings is another documentary that is pretty eye opening but can be hard to watch.

Lots of vegan animal advocates are "all or nothing" approach and sure, whilst I think veganism should be the moral baseline and the ultimate goal to aim for as a society I don't think that smaller steps are pointless. 

As for the "one person can't make a difference" - It's funny how you bring up voting because people have used this reasoning before and I've then asked them why do they vote if one person can't make a difference.... that stumps them! I know you give to charity occasionally though; so why do you do this if one person (or one small amount) can't make a difference?

I get where you're coming from because I used to have exactly the same mind-set that 1 person can't make a difference (and thought the same with voting and pretty much anything else including reclycling and giving to charity.

There's some good Vegan Sidekick comics about the "1 person can't make a difference" - one that I can remember is just a cartoon of loads of people all saying that they would thing about going vegan but that 1 person can't make a difference. If everyone switched their mindset to believing they could make a difference then it wouldn't be 1 person anymore it would be 100,000. 

Would love to debate this more but have to get back to the grind!

GELDY

just remember we were designed to eat meat

you should be careful messing around with your system given the probs you are having

percival09

In Response to Re: "Sit & DOHHHHHHH Diary":

just remember we were designed to eat meat you should be careful messing around with your system given the probs you are having
Posted by GELDY

we're also meant to eat veggies, fruit etc etc. 

yes, it's true though, humans are meant to eat meat, our bodies have evolved to handle a diet that involves meat - we are omnivores. but, we are not meant to eat confined animals, whose diets are being altered away from what is natural to them. 

I think a reasonable thing to do if you're not willing to go veggie, is to at least drastically reduce the amount of meat you eat. 

actually, thinking about it, I don't think I should even say "meant to eat" - "meant" implies there is some force out there, deciding what we should or shouldn't do. I'm not officially saying there isn't, but to my knowledge at least there isn't. But of course like I earlier said, we evolved as omnivores.

and btw, who designed humans? let's not talk about that, it'll last too long and end up with some forum blocking + banning! 

jordz16

I always believed humans were  not supposed to eat meat?? i thought our bodies just evolved in a way to be able to cope with consuming meat. Maybe that is just a myth but when you look at our bodies its hard to imagine we are designed for hunting down animals and consuming flesh.. I am a meat eater myself but i have been giving serious thought to attempting to become vegan for a while, the health benefits alone make it a no-brainer, just thr thought of no more fried breakfasts is depressing to say the least

percival09

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I always believed humans were  not supposed to eat meat?? i thought our bodies just evolved in a way to be able to cope with consuming meat. Maybe that is just a myth but when you look at our bodies its hard to imagine we are designed for hunting down animals and consuming flesh.. I am a meat eater myself but i have been giving serious thought to attempting to become vegan for a while, the health benefits alone make it a no-brainer, just thr thought of no more fried breakfasts is depressing to say the least
Posted by jordz16

there are many many many studies suggesting meat is needed for health reasons, and that actually having a vegetarian diet is the healthy option, so it's not as clear as you stated. 

we aren't meant or not meant to do anything. Humans have probably always eaten meat, but not like we do today. In the past, I think it was mainly game and forage. Nowadays we aren't as good at hunting as our ancestors were, again thanks to evolution - our teeth, for example, aren't sharp enough. Why would you think we're not supposed to consume flesh by looking at our bodies? Do you think an elephant looks like it's a meat eater? 

GELDY

Giant Pandas used to be meat eating

Then 3,000,000 years ago they became vegetarian

And look where it got them 

In a zoo if they're lucky

jordz16

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In Response to Re: "Sit & DOHHHHHHH Diary" : there are many many many studies suggesting meat is needed for health reasons, and that actually having a vegetarian diet is the healthy option, so it's not as clear as you stated.  we aren't meant or not meant to do anything. Humans have probably always eaten meat, but not like we do today. In the past, I think it was mainly game and forage. Nowadays we aren't as good at hunting as our ancestors were, again thanks to evolution - our teeth, for example, aren't sharp enough. Why would you think we're not supposed to consume flesh by looking at our bodies? Do you think an elephant looks like it's a meat eater? 
Posted by percival09

I dont claim to be any sort of expert, i may be completely wrong. but I thought it was to do with our jaws, because we can move them side to side so we can grind down fruits, nuts etc that kind of stuff, whereas flesh eating animals have jaws that can open far wider and can lock to tear away flesh etc, saying that im sure thousands of years ago we were a lot different

DOHHHHHHH

In Response to Re: "Sit & DOHHHHHHH Diary":

just remember we were designed to eat meat you should be careful messing around with your system given the probs you are having
Posted by GELDY

Yea I suppose it's a bit dodgy bit it's not like my diet atm is working very well despite me cutting out all the junk/sugar etc. 

It's abit of a freeroll in that regard, either I do it and it makes me feel better, or I do it and I continue to feel cr@p

@ Ivan, surely charity is different?

It's certainly different to my point about voting in elections. 

The money does make a difference.....

A family who wouldn't otherwise will get access to water for x amount of time? or food? Or maybe a homeless dog who wouldn't otherwise be rescued, will be. 

Someone somewhere will benefit from every single charity donation? 

I'd like to think so anyway, maybe I'm wrong. 

Will me changing my diet do anything at all?

I'm not so sure. Means like a cow gets to live an extra day or something?

It's such a miniscule difference to problems which are so big they're probably never going to be cured. Unlike the bacon I plan on having for breakfast

Oink  

F_Ivanovic

I really need to be carrying on grinding, why is this discussion happening now haha!

http://www.werone.co/images/05_Humans_Are_Frugivores_750.jpg

Humans are also very adaptable though and our bodies have definitely evolved to be able to eat meat. As for it being necessary? I take most things I read with a pinch of salt regarding studies. Meat industries are very large and powerful and can easily get a bunch of scientists together and ask them to prove that a vegetarian or vegan diet is bad for you and it's easily possible to manipulate facts in a way to do so. It's also easily possible to be an unhealthy vegan in the same way it's easily possible to be an unhealthy meat eater (just take half of America for example) but Veganism when done right is very healthy. 

B12 is often cited as one of the reasons why we need to eat meat but then animals are actually given B12 - that's the only reason they are a source of B12. It used to be widely available in fruits and veggies from soil before the invention of pesticides took away the B12 from the soil. I've got some articles on this somewhere saved but don't want to look right now!

GELDY

Your diet at the moment sounds very nicely balanced. Hence my concern that you want to mess with it in a bad way (from an alimentary perspective).

Yes humans are omnivores and the body expects to get a certain amount of its nutrients through the ingestion of meat. 

percival09

Of course it works with charities. One could easily argue that there's no point in giving £1 to a charity because someone else will donate more, and besides, my £1 won't actually do anything. And even if I did, then a decent % of that £1 would be kept by the charity. But if 1,000,000 people donate £1, you kno how much that is? 

GELDY

a bit like babies being breas.t fed 

mess with it at your own risk

GELDY

hah

no ti.ts allowed on the forum 

percival09

In Response to Re: "Sit & DOHHHHHHH Diary":

a bit like babies being breas.t fed  mess with it at your own risk
Posted by GELDY

this has been proven to be the best form of feeding, so I don't really know what you mean

DOHHHHHHH

In Response to Re: "Sit & DOHHHHHHH Diary":

Of course it works with charities. One could easily argue that there's no point in giving £1 to a charity because someone else will donate more, and besides, my £1 won't actually do anything. And even if I did, then a decent % of that £1 would be kept by the charity. But if 1,000,000 people donate £1, you kno how much that is? 
Posted by percival09

It doesn't matter how much other people do or don't donate, my £1 will be helping someone. It is guarenteed to make a difference to someone. 

It's not gonna stop people dying of thirst but it will cure sum1s thirst for x amount of time.

In an election, it doesn't matter how many other people do or do not vote, my 1 vote will not make any difference at all.

It's all or nothing in elections, win/lose. 

Chairty isn't like that. 

GELDY

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In Response to Re: "Sit & DOHHHHHHH Diary" : this has been proven to be the best form of feeding, so I don't really know what you mean
Posted by percival09

babies bodies expect to be breas.t fed

adult bodies expect to be eating some meat

it's likely that those bodies will function best if they get what they expect

percival09

In Response to Re: "Sit & DOHHHHHHH Diary":

In Response to Re: "Sit & DOHHHHHHH Diary" : It doesn't matter how much other people do or don't donate, my £1 will be helping someone. It is guarenteed to make a difference to someone.  It's not gonna stop people dying of thirst but it will cure sum1s thirst for x amount of time. In an election, it doesn't matter how many other people do or do not vote, my 1 vote will not make any difference at all. It's all or nothing in elections, win/lose.  Chairty isn't like that. 
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

You earlier said something along the lines of, "a cow might survive a day longer but it won't save it" - donating 1 pound is the same thing. 

DOHHHHHHH

Yeh but I'm not bothered about saving a cow for 1 day. 

Need less of em anyway innit.