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OK, I'll be the first to say what so many are thinking.
A few beers, or even, as later suggested & accepted, a few shandies (in context, EXACTLY the same thing) would be the worst decision you ever made, especially after all your self discipline to get back on the right track.
I genuinely hope you did not or do not take that path of weakness, & give in.
As it happens, the chance of you taking my advice are precisely nil based on past evidence, so there is no need for you to take offence at my well-intended advice.
Good luck JJ. If you start having a few beers or shandies, you are gonna need it.
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Asking or suggesting a guy who is recovering (& recovering well) from a drink problem to go have a few drinks is (imo) a truly terrible thing to do. You would not offer someone who gave up smoking a cigarette, nor would anyone in their right mind suggest meeting a guy with a gambling problem in a betting shop.
Anyway, he'll not listen to you or me, & in a way, it's none of our business. But caring for others IS everyone's business, despite that dreadful stuff we saw recently on Jac's thread.
But this is the point.
There IS NO HARM in a couple of shandies. There is not. None at all.
But it does not stop at a couple, does it?
We'll do it aqain next week. Beer next time. 3 or 4. Bla bla.
Anyway, it matters not, he'll not take any notice of me. But I'll sleep comfortably that I at least tried to help.
In Response to Re: "Sit & DOHHHHHHH Diary" : That's very good of you Alan, & I know you intended no harm. But this is the point. There IS NO HARM in a couple of shandies . There is not. None at all. But it does not stop at a couple, does it? We'll do it aqain next week. Beer next time. 3 or 4. Bla bla. Anyway, it matters not, he'll not take any notice of me. But I'll sleep comfortably that I at least tried to help.
Posted by Tikay10
There are two stages of withdrawal. The first stage is the acute stage, which usually lasts at most a few weeks. During this stage, you may experience physical withdrawal symptoms. But every drug is different, and every person is different.
The second stage of withdrawal is called the Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome (PAWS). During this stage you'll have fewer physical symptoms, but more emotional and psychological withdrawal symptoms.
Post-acute withdrawal occurs because your brain chemistry is gradually returning to normal. As your brain improves the levels of your brain chemicals fluctuate as they approach the new equilibrium causing post-acute withdrawal symptoms.
Most people experience some post-acute withdrawal symptoms. Whereas in the acute stage of withdrawal every person is different, in post-acute withdrawal most people have the same symptoms.
The Symptoms of Post-Acute Withdrawal
The most common post-acute withdrawal symptoms are:
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Yup, know all that Geldy, I was making exactly the same point as you, though not as well.
Incidentally, I've not had an alcohol problem, ever, but I have had other addiction problems, such as cigarettes.
I quit smoking completely, just like that. Then some oaf - who KNEW I had been a lifelong smoker, but had given up 2 years earlier - bet his mates he could get me to smoke a cigarette again. Nice fella, him. He won his bet.
I always look back on that & view him as the most dumb, selfish, stupid person I ever met. I've never spoken to him since, & I never will. It's my fault of course, I'm not blaming anyone, but we need our friends to help us, don't we?
Anyway, I'm grumpy today, I've seen some real bad stuff on here this week (the Community, not this Diary), hence the honesty. Time I shut up.
I played abit of poker on sky before going out yesterday, and a little bit on dollar sites this morning too.
Omg MAC and CHEESE!!!!! Now I want some!!!! you rotter.............lol
Some really amazing positives to take from the other night anyway, mainly getting yourself into a spot that induced an 'unpleasant anxiety type thing' and getting through it fine.
If the definition is something like "prolonged use despite health implications and takes control of life" or something, then yeah, I'm addicted, and so was JJ. I've seen both definitions used so I don't know which people prefer.
Also, the addictive agent in cigarettes (nicotine) is much stronger and much easier to get hooked on than alcohol, so JJ has more chance of successfully returning to a social drinking scene than a smoker does a social smoking scene.
So much fun once I got started
Were I to reply to that in the manner I'd like to, I'd almost certainly get the tin tack.
So I think I'll leave you & JJ to it, to say to each other "yup, everything's cool".
Let me just remind you that just 16 days ago, he proudly (& rightly) puffed his chest out to tell us this, & at the same time, reminded himself of the temptations he needed to avoid.......
Lots of folk congratulated him, & he thanked every single one. That's how proud he was.
Two days later, very tellingly, & very scarily, for this is when we (or most of us) realised the scale of the issue, the magnitude of the battle he had - at the time - just won, he wrote this.......
"....When I first stopped drinking, 150ish days ago I couldn't do 1 minute of very moderate (walking) physical activity without needing to lie down for an hour, couldn't go out or even answer the door without severe anxiety/panic attacks, never really spoke to anyone aside from immediate family, and couldn't play poker without a drink for longer than 10 minutes without feeling very ill......"
That all strikes you as "normal", then, Paul?
And you think good-hearted well-intentioned (& in some cases, experienced in ways of the world) people trying to prevent him going back to that are having kneejerk reactions?
Guess I'll bid you all a good Sunday & leave you guys to it.
Throwback to 2005
Turn up on a Sunday Morning, jog about in the cold for 2 hours having a bunch of ego driven Roy Keane wannabes shouting and balling and in your face, calling you every name under the sun everytime you make a decision, even if you get everything spot on, all for the sake of 20 quid.
"come on lads this is f* sh**. Lets get the f* body language going!!!"
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Not followed footy for quite a while now, new thing is rugby! lot better to watch, well from a lot of females perpectives anyway lol
Rather watch sunday footy any day than the big football teams. Lots more fun to watch agreed.
Good luck tonight.
Just a quick message, been a while since we've spoke.
Just wanted to say all the best with everything and know it will work out for you.
It sounds from what Geldy posted that some of the stuff you are going through - how you are feeling - will pass with time, even though it's pretty sh itty just now, but just stay strong with it.
All the best and if you ever want to do a sweat session or anything poker related just ping me a message.
The Nicorette quick mist spray is really decent, just use it when you get a craving, good for poker players too, you can use it every tourney break, when you'd normally have a smoke.
sigh just wrote a big long post went to post it and wasn't logged in!
With time, not to sure about alchol Geldy or someone else might have a better idea.
With smoking for example, when quitting, it's so easy to say ill have one more, then you are 100 cigarettes later and still smoking.
When a smoker says "last one", they are not having the "last one" because they enjoy it they are just supressing the need to feed their nicotine habit. For someone to stop smoking successfully they need to want to do it for themselves and manage despite the withdrawal symptoms.
When stoping smoking with time the urge to smoke defo diminishes, it's tough for sure but does get a lot better.
I wish you all the best with it!
I would also like to say thank you to you. You were perhaps one of the first poker players I got to know off the tables a couple of years ago and when I was starting out you helped me a lot with my game, as you have helped out many others.
also.
All the best to you sir, crush life and poker.
I was petrified so booked 1 lesson and after less than 15 minutes it was like I'd never stopped, incredible!
(I'm still perfecting my parking though...!)
So go for it
Every1 loves a cold 4 bluff.