Winning a place onto TSP

CrazyBen23

The most pointless thing in the world? Other than winning a 1k event seat... the people who won the tournment last time have made zero contriubtion in the forum, infact the only person who does from tsp full stop is scotty. Thoughts?

HITMAN_RV

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The most pointless thing in the world? Other than winning a 1k event seat... the people who won the tournment last time have made zero contriubtion in the forum, infact the only person who does from tsp full stop is scotty. Thoughts?
Posted by CrazyBen23

Yes Scotty does contribute as does aussie09 & others in past!!

These successful Poker Players are not contracted to entertain us, they may have families, jobs & other priorities, I salute their achievment!!

I think your comment is harsh, but that is your opinion!

I hope if u are able to qualify yourself, you can lead by a fine example, GL Run Golden!!

GREGHOGG

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In Response to Winning a place onto TSP : Yes Scotty does contribute as does aussie09 & others in past!! These successful Poker Players are not contracted to entertain us, they may have families, jobs & other priorities, I salute their achievment!! I think your comment is harsh, but that is your opinion! I hope if u are able to qualify yourself, you can lead by a fine example, GL Run Golden!!
Posted by HITMAN_RV

+1 the hitman talks sense

CrazyBen23

Forgot about aussie sry, din't mean to be harsh just putting my point across that like.. being sponsered is surely a big thing? But it dosen't rly seem like that on sky, just wondered what other people thought

DOHHHHHHH

Agree with OP....well, most of what he said anyway.

For the majority it is pointless.

It's a big deal for a small %age of players, the majority of us I'm sure would prefer the money cash in hand.

How can a 1k tourny be better than 1k credited to your account, that you could use to buy into the tourny anyway if that's what u wanna do?.....

Said this when it first came out, ridic & strange that there isn't an alternative, or at least the option to sell the TSP package to someone that will make the most of it. 

Im on the site every day and I couldn't list the team now if I tried.

Good concept, but time for a re-vamp imo, it got stale pretty quickly. 

ACEGOONER

I was in the last TSP final and have to say, given my total lack of live experience at nose bleed stakes mtt's that it would be a waste of money for sky to stake me.

What I would have preferred is the option to take a £1000 cash prize which would be a welcome addition to the BR and recognition that I am a loyal grinder on the site. As things where I finished 10th last time but didnt lose any sleep over it.

debdobs_67

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Agree with OP....well, most of what he said anyway. For the majority it is pointless. It's a big deal for a small %age of players, the majority of us I'm sure would prefer the money cash in hand. How can a 1k tourny be better than 1k credited to your account, that you could use to buy into the tourny anyway if that's what u wanna do?..... Said this when it first came out, ridic & strange that there isn't an alternative, or at least the option to sell the TSP package to someone that will make the most of it.  Im on the site every day and I couldn't list the team now if I tried. Good concept, but time for a re-vamp imo, it got stale pretty quickly. 
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

+1

AcidMan27

I suppose the potential cash prizes of playing in a GUKPT are attractive to the TSP winners. Also sky would like the exposure of having a FT or winner wearing their brand.

I agree that it would be nice to see more of the team contributing on here though, but if thy've not got the time then fair enough.

scotty77

The opportunity is what you make of it.

My place is up for review (in fact I think everyones place is) at the minute and only hope that I am kept on for another period of time.

Said this when it first came out, ridic & strange that there isn't an alternative, or at least the option to sell the TSP package to someone that will make the most of it. 

This would make a mockery of it.

FWIW I think that offering 6 places every quarter is ridic and should have never been increased from 3 and have told Sky that and hope that is the first thing they change.  I realise that should my contract not be extended it will make it harder for me to get back in but w/e IMO it just devalues the promo so much

CrazyBen23

Aren't like people sponsered so they go make the site more famous? -> tournment entry yayaya they want them to finish high so sky get famous, but theres not been any thread on any of the tsp ppl playing them? Its not rly a proper sponsership imo, fly on my bedroom wall has been talked about more than most of the people who won entry last time, not heard a thing from them so i guess its bb. Isn't that how it goes with PS ect. sponsered players do f all bye bye sponsership deal...

DOHHHHHHH

The whole idea of it is to make sky more money by generating more rake on the site.

Make the range of prizes more appealling to a wider range of players and more rake will be generated by players fighting for league points.

Tizn't rocket science really. 

20 primos, 10 thursday rollers, 5 sunday rollers, or combo of all three is a much better prize for the vast majority of players. 

stien

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The opportunity is what you make of it. My place is up for review (in fact I think everyones place is) at the minute and only hope that I am kept on for another period of time.
Posted by scotty77

Scotty, if there is any consistency they will kick you off too, you have done no more or no less than anyone else who has previously qualified and everyone else has been booted off. Why the originals stay in i'm not sure, lol and ljamesl fair enough but the rest??? 

I agree with the "crazy" man it has become tired and for many I guess irrelevant. I did not see one team member in a blue hoodie at the DTD grand final, not that I could name all the current team members. The DTD final was a great opportunity for TSP members to give something back to the wider community and at the same time raise the team profile, clinics and sit and go's could have been hosted by team members, i'm sure many would have enjoyed a STT with for example lolufold or gliterbabe dealing to the table. If TSP wants to be relevent it has to make an effort, if it's just a group that enters live tourneys badged as TSP then it doesn't really matter who they are or what they do.

Gaining membership to TSP is worth it to the upper grinders for the extra bonus in C4points and thus more free enteries to live events but most qualifiers don't earn enough points to enter their local pub freeze out. I have no idea what one has to do to stay on the team after the 3 month period expires, I guess we will know once someone does it.

scotty77

I have no idea what one has to do to stay on the team after the 3 month period expires, I guess we will know once someone does it.

Well to correct you Stein I have been on the team for 6 months.  I already had my place on the team extended.

During my time on the team I have played 2 GUKPTs as a member of TSP and have final tabled one.

I have ran a league for low stakes players that many players are the SPT asked me if it was gonna return.

I was wearing the Sky badge throughtout the SPT, just as I do when I went on the TV show, play live @ GUKPTs and when I played the WSOP ME.

JohnConnor

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In Response to Re: Winning a place onto TSP : Scotty, if there is any consistency they will kick you off too, you have done no more or no less than anyone else who has previously qualified and everyone else has been booted off. Why the originals stay in i'm not sure, lol and ljamesl fair enough but the rest???  I agree with the "crazy" man it has become tired and for many I guess irrelevant. I did not see one team member in a blue hoodie at the DTD grand final, not that I could name all the current team members. The DTD final was a great opportunity for TSP members to give something back to the wider community and at the same time raise the team profile, clinics and sit and go's could have been hosted by team members, i'm sure many would have enjoyed a STT with for example lolufold or gliterbabe dealing to the table. If TSP wants to be relevent it has to make an effort, if it's just a group that enters live tourneys badged as TSP then it doesn't really matter who they are or what they do. Gaining membership to TSP is worth it to the upper grinders for the extra bonus in C4points and thus more free enteries to live events but most qualifiers don't earn enough points to enter their local pub freeze out. I have no idea what one has to do to stay on the team after the 3 month period expires, I guess we will know once someone does it.
Posted by stien

I disagree with this. Scotty, weren't you the first player to cash in the GUKPT that team TSP generally get entered into (ie the main £1,000 event) or am I mistaken? I was just about to post that I think Scotty deserves to be kept on for that fact and also for his forum contributions.

scotty77

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In Response to Re: Winning a place onto TSP : I disagree with this. Scotty, weren't you the first player to cash in the GUKPT that team TSP generally get entered into (ie the main £1,000 event) or am I mistaken? I was just about to post that I think Scotty deserves to be kept on for that fact and also for his forum contributions.
Posted by JohnConnor

thanks for your support.

Dan Brown also final tabled a GUKPT before me and I think the GB cashed too

Also Gixxer cashed too in the last GUKPT at Luton

debdobs_67

Scotty without a doubt DOES contribute , probably as much as he can , its most of the others that appear never to , i remember at the start lolufold , glitterbabe and LjamesL used to frequent the lower cash tables for a small period of time BUT i aint seen em do too much since.

MP33

I agree with Crazyben that there should be more input from TSP,ers

As i posted someoewhere else - What happened to the "Ask TSP "?  Thread - Questions rarely got answered

Apart from Scotty and aussie09 i don,t know any regular contributors

I think its started off well. Everyone knew who the 6 were - There was no doubt they were the right 6 imo, but I follow this forum regularly and i don,t know who represents Sky or how many now - Just the ones who,ve done well in the big tourneys like Scotty, Ljamesl and dantb10

I,m sill waiting for my prize to play in an STT  against TSP, but that was 9 months ago when it was the original 6

stien

So to stay on TSP you have to cash at the GUKPT is that it?? I'm on here plenty and yet I had no idea that you had been kept on for an extra 3 months, this process appears arbitrary to me and has rightly or wrongly the appearance of a favoured members club. The reality is that for the vast majority of qualifiers (everyone so far but yourself) there is zero chance of them staying on unless they get a run in their one and only £1,000 tourney, if indeed this is the criteria for staying on. If forum contributions are a factor then there are plenty on here who if they get on the team will have a good argument for staying on it.

Your TSP branding appeared well hidden when I saw you at DTD. As I said what better place for the "team" to make its presence felt and be given a real opportunity to be available to the wider community than the SPT final but team members were in civvies and thus invisible as a result. Sky as a brand organised nothing that I saw to promote the team at the event, as ever the STT side events were a figment of someones imagination.

scotty77

Well I can assure you the badge was there Stein. Wtih regards to my extension, it was announched at SPT Cardiff by TK just before the tournie started 

I don't know much about the STTs but I can assure you that there were a number held in the VIP room on the Friday evening before and there were many running on Saturday after the event, I think they were orgranised by TKP/TPT but I do know that various people from Sky and TSP took part in them

BTW I would be curious as to how you think best the criteria for keeping membership on TSP be settled?  What should be looked for?

Machka

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So to stay on TSP you have to cash at the GUKPT is that it?? I'm on here plenty and yet I had no idea that you had been kept on for an extra 3 months, this process appears arbitrary to me and has rightly or wrongly the appearance of a favoured members club. The reality is that for the vast majority of qualifiers (everyone so far but yourself) there is zero chance of them staying on unless they get a run in their one and only £1,000 tourney, if indeed this is the criteria for staying on. If forum contributions are a factor then there are plenty on here who if they get on the team will have a good argument for staying on it. Your TSP branding appeared well hidden when I saw you at DTD. As I said what better place for the "team" to make its presence felt and be given a real opportunity to be available to the wider community than the SPT final but team members were in civvies and thus invisible as a result. Sky as a brand organised nothing that I saw to promote the team at the event, as ever the STT side events were a figment of someones imagination.
Posted by stien

There were at least 6 SnG's played on the Friday night, we were moved to the VIP area to run them as Simon Trumper asked to keep us separate from the main tournament and cash tables.

On the Saturday evening I got the chip set and we had 2 or 3 SnG's running at a time on the tables at the far back right tables.  I'd say there were between 8-10 SnG's played there.

Anyone could have played and I went and looked for people wanting to play but people need to be pro-active and get involved themselves.

Did you ask about SnG's at the Sky Poker desk?

dylan12

AFAIK the process of whether players are kept in TSP or not is down to the discretion of the Team Manager - I have no idea about what the criteria he uses but I imagine that it is impossible for the majority of players to be kept on due to the reasoning that they will not have raked enough over the three months to keep being put into these GUKPT events so they will be released - unless if they do cash in the GUKPT ME enough to cover the cost of their next entry but they would need at least a Top 5 finish to achieve this (if not a higher finish even)

I agree that the "Ask TSP" has run it's course now but tbh I don't really care, personally I would rather they write a few blogs or something about the tournaments they played in than to come on to the forum and answer all those questions - it is time consuming and above and beyond imo. Obviously there are members of TSP like Scotty77 and Aussie09 who contribute on the forum daily and they're views and contributions are always valued imo but they did this before becoming members of TSP anyway. Scotty more than anyother has done a hell of a lot for the community through his role within TSP - his weekly competition he layed on for players with some amazing prizes and even today he began that thread offering a free £11 TSP mtt seat which is above his duty imo. 

I am not aware of everyone who is on TSP and I think it would be a good idea to re-promote who the players are and maybe some sort of introduction each quarter or something to keep things fresh.

Many of the TSP players keep us all updated whilst playing at live tournaments through twitter and always tag @skypoker so that it can be re-tweeted to many more followers. It is not only the GUKPT that these players promote the site, lJAMESl this weekend played the English Deepstack tournament and wore the Sky badge, Scotty77 has worn the badge at events such as the £334 Deepstack at Dusk Till Dawn and Gliterbabe played a GUKPT summer series and wore the Sky poker material. I have no doubt that there are other tournaments that these guys have played and worn the sky badge with pride. 

As for the SPT at DTD, I can personally vouch that Scotty, Gliterbabe, lolufold, dantb10, lJAMESl, Sam1986 and Aussie09 all wore sky badges at the tables. I also noticed that ebberdon wore a sky poker t-shirt at the event (there was another player in a TSP T-shirt also but I can't remember his name) as for the other players I have no idea if they wore their TSP goodies. Obviously Thewy as the resident Sky Pro wore his badge as well.  Thewy also played numerous Sit and Go's on friday and saturday night as part of TSP. 

stien

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Well I can assure you the badge was there Stein.  I don't know anything about the STTs but I can assure you that there were a number held in the VIP room on the Friday evening before and there were many running on Saturday after the event, I think they were orgranised by TKP/TPT but I do know that various people from Sky and TSP took part in them BTW I would be curious as to how you think best the criteria for keeping membership on TSP be settled?  What should be looked for?
Posted by scotty77

Scotty I don't doubt you were wearing a sky patch, the point I am trying to make is that it is little wonder Crazyben makes the irrelevant point when at the SPT final the team as a whole were in civvies. If Sky want to make the team more relevant to the larger player pool they need to do more with it and making the better known players available at SPT events would be a good start. If they have no interest in promoting it to the community then the team will continue to be irrelevant to the vast majority, at the end of the day it's Skys team and its up to them wnat they do with it.

As for the STT's in the VIP room we were there until 1 am on Saturday night and they passed us by, we heard no announcement, were not informed by anyone that they were running and we asked the DTD staff about Sky STT's and were told nothing was running. It is good of TK to organise a few STT's ad hoc but these should be done formally to add something to the event, nor should it be left to TPT to organise their own at a Sky branded event.

Honestly I have no idea what the criteria for staying on the team should be, but if I were Sky I'd cut the pretence and keep the members who rake the most on as these are the players who generate the most bonus and thus create the biggest live tourney entry rolls. Final tabling a GUKPT has such a huge luck element when most get only one shot at it, whatever the criteria it would be better it was known as it would remove the mystic.

YOUNG_GUN

Scotty u got it locked up unless everyone is losing there's imo

Stein i saw loads of TSP players wearing their badges u must need glasses/or better ones

i think it is a great scheme but like dohhh has said would be better to take option in cash but then again i can understand why there isn't btw as the main purpose is so they play live events with a sky hoodie/logo although i would defo take opportunity of playing GUKPT/ watever over the 1k even though it is alot of money to me and my bankroll at the moment

murray69

The prize may as well be win a seat to the gukpt rather then a place on TSP

stien

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Scotty u got it locked up unless everyone is losing there's imo Stein i saw loads of TSP players wearing their badges u must need glasses/or better ones i think it is a great scheme but like dohhh has said would be better to take option in cash but then again i can understand why there isn't btw as the main purpose is so they play live events with a sky hoodie/logo although i would defo take opportunity of playing GUKPT/ watever over the 1k even though it is alot of money to me and my bankroll at the moment
Posted by YOUNG_GUN

Obv I saw the badges on some but then you go and say it..........sky hoodie. They have a stand out uniform and then none of them wear it at a Sky event?? I don't care either way, the point I'm trying to make is that if Sky want the team to be relevant they have to make more of an effort, they could do alot more with these players for the benefit of us all as Sky players, Sky as a brand and for the team itself. If they don't want the team to be relevant to the wider community they can just carry on as they are.

These events are still amateurish outside of the main event which was excellent. Sky is too big a brand for TK, TPT/TKP or Machka to be organising side events ad hoc at branded events, players booked hotels and committed to two days in Nottingham for this event and after they exit the main event there should be side events professionally laid on for players. In addition Sky staff should be looking after all their customers and informing them of what is on, when it is happening and where it is taking place. 

stien

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The prize may as well be win a seat to the gukpt rather then a place on TSP
Posted by murray69

For the vast majority you have this bang on fella.

YOUNG_GUN

thats a completely different matter what your talking about thats not down to TSP players and i do agree about the STT i didnt hear anything on friday so proceeded to just get drunk sigh

i think we have gone of topic there a bit and there defeinately needs to be wider coverage eg. whos on the team when they're next playing an event, how long till there contract is up for renewal although can understand if they want to be personal with people on this matter

dylan12

In Response to Re: Winning a place onto TSP:

In Response to Re: Winning a place onto TSP : Obv I saw the badges on some but then you go and say it..........sky hoodie. They have a stand out uniform and then none of them wear it at a Sky event?? I don't care either way, the point I'm trying to make is that if Sky want the team to be relevant they have to make more of an effort, they could do alot more with these players for the benefit of us all as Sky players, Sky as a brand and for the team itself. If they don't want the team to be relevant to the wider community they can just carry on as they are. These events are still amateurish outside of the main event which was excellent. Sky is too big a brand for TK, TPT/TKP or Machka to be organising side events ad hoc at branded events, players booked hotels and committed to two days in Nottingham for this event and after they exit the main event there should be side events professionally laid on for players. In addition Sky staff should be looking after all their customers and informing them of what is on, when it is happening and where it is taking place. 
Posted by stien

This was announced prior to the SPT at DTD…

 

Firstly two tables will be provided by DTD to run Sky Poker SNGs rake free. Whether these be Play the Presenter or Player self-dealt this will allow the SPT tradtion of fun and affordable SNGs to continue at DTD. I will supervise these tables, if neccessary with waiting lists as they are bound to be popular.


Secondly, your schedule

 

Day 1

Doors open 12pm

Grand Final starts 2.30pm 15,000 chips 40 minute clock 350 players.

Buffet between 5.45pm - 7.15pm, 1 split level.

8pm £30 No Limit Freezeout 10,000 chips 15 minute clock.

Day 2

Doors open 12pm

Grand Final Day 2 starts 2pm

3pm £50 Sky Poker sponsored No Limit Freezeout 10,000 chips 30 min clock

6.30pm £15 No Limit Freezeout 5000 chips 15 minute clock

7.00pm £50 No Limit Freezeout 15,000 chips 15 minute clock

 

Also on the TV’s around the card room the schedule above was promoted – although you are correct the SNG’s were not really promoted but it was evident that they were going on when walking around I thought.

 

Also announced regarding the new SPT Tour…

As well as the Main Events at each of these legs, all venues will also be hosting SPT side events on both Friday and Saturday nights. Two day events will also see the inclusion of a Sunday side event, completing what will promise to be a bumper weekend of poker.

 

“It’s promises to be the biggest and best ever Sky Poker Tour. Our customers love these events and I’m sure they will be putting dates in the diary for these” said Richard Milner, head of Sky Poker. “With the addition of a new Sky Poker Tour Leaderboard too, it’s sure to be even more competitive tour.”

stien

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thats a completely different matter what your talking about thats not down to TSP players and i do agree about the STT i didnt hear anything on friday so proceeded to just get drunk sigh

Just got drunk, thats exactly what we did Saturday night.

The reason I got onto the side events in the first place was because I felt SPT members could have hosted STT's had Sky organised it and this would have been an excellent way for Sky players to meet the big name players. Had lolufold given a clinic how many of us would have attended? Obviously this is dependant upon when they exit the main event but with a little thought beforehand I am sure this could have been organised. It is not difficult to make TSP more relevant, simply make the members more accessible to us non members. I am not in any way having a pop at the team members, it is down to Sky to do more with them.

SolarCarro

I think some good points are made but these are my observations from SPT Final

Scotty was badged up every time I saw him and James, Redmond, Dan and Wayne all said hello to me badged up, some of the lesser known players had their blue polo shirts on.

I organised a good few SNG's but as always we were limited on tables and chips/cards etc. On Friday night we had 2 tables in the VIP room going but as many of us arrived too late for the tournament at DTD we tried to get a game going for Lisa Marie and Anna and others who could not get a game Friday night.

On Saturday I was able to get 4 SNG's running at one time, TSP members supported these games and we were totally oversubscribed to run them, as far as I am concerned the TSP guys did their bit and TKP enjoy getting these SNG's running as and when we can.

As for staying on TSP, why shouldn't it be on merit results wise? Scotty was fantastic on the GUKPT final table and Wayne won SPT Newcastle, James winner of SPT Final, Sky will always retain these guys on merit through results.

I agree for us mere mortals to get on TSP is more how much rake you pay Sky than how good you are at poker but I for one would love to get on TSP and have a go at a GUKPT, I don't play enough to make top 30 in any category but I think the prize is fantastic, agree 6 places is too many though

Dave

dantb10

I think maybe alot of people are missing one of the biggest points on this subject.

IMO one of skys main priorities with this venture is to bring in new players to the site. 

Previously no sky poker hoodies/badges would ever be seen at GUKPT's/ UKIPT's/ deepstacks ect ect...

With the results TSP have had... My 4th in manchester GUKPT, Scotty GUKPT final, Waynes SPT win and GUKPT cash, james SPT grand final win, and cash in the deepstack. All the work thewy does, and no doubt others i have missed, it puts sky poker on the map. I and other members have done magazine articles, interviews, the TV shows ect that takes TSP and sky to a wider audience.

It is no coincidence the amount of new highstakes 'reg' players that have joined the site over the last few months. Look at the lobby at 9pm every day and every HU table from 100nl to 1knl has 8 regs sat. This wasnt the case 12 months ago, and in my opinion team sky poker playing the big events, speaking to other players and the media coverage is a significant factor in this.

I completely agree that it is about community participation, and whenever we play live events, the support from the majority of members of the forum is terrific and we really appreciate it, and it does feel like we are all a team.

I know i dont post on the forum as often as i should, but without making excuses, i work 40 hours a week and also have a 20 month old son, which takes up the majority of my time. Whenever i get chance i need to grind 6-12 tables to earn money and rake in the cash for points for live entries. Once i start posting on forums and looking on the internet i lose concentration when multitabling, which obviously is very detrimental to my hourly rate.

I would hate to sound harsh, but for the majority of TSP members, poker is their full time occupation and their sole income. They take it very seriously and want to put in the maximum amount of time grinding and earning money so they can pay the bills. And when they arent playing they are probably studying hand histories reviewing sessions or watching training videos themselves. So i can understand why a number of members dont spend alot of time on the forum, because if they did, they would be losing money, and for sum 1 like reds, 30 mins on the forum could mean £2,000.

I still after all this time think TSP is a great idea if you take it for what it is. You get out of it what you put in. It gives the micro stakes players the chance to score big in a £1k live tournament, which is every poker players dream?

I agree that if you cant rake enough or dont have a huge result then it is hard to stay on the team, but at least it is giving everyone the chance to play a £1k event, and not many people (me included) will fork out a thousand pounds to play a tournament.

This is obv just my opinion, hope it makes sense as im super tired.

GL at the tables

Dan