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You are a gent and a credit to the forum as always sharpy
Am currently stood over iluvs lappy watching him 3table nl4 & 8 to see watch action HiCupP
Don just play like a brain dead ape and bash the raise btn with value hands and bash the call btn with your draws
it's that simple
If you play NL30 and you come across the same kinda laggy/station oppo, how you going to play against them ?
The same as versus NL4 laggy/station oppo's
Don, get your ahead around beating NL4 -
Havent played a hand in 30 mins : this table then this:
How can I win over volume??????????????
in summary - nl4 is beatable, I'm doing it using ABC, patience on multiple tables intially. once you've got the lay of the land your range can widen a bit but don't go mad.
I'm a competent player only (DR Sharp can attest to that! By the way Doc I'll get my money back. Maybe
It took a while for me given the initial volumes I was playing and the time it took for the advice from players here to get through my thick skull at times. The advice is good - understand it and use it. Admittedly you sometimes forget but overtime it'll become second nature.
I'm over rolled for nl4 now (based on people's multiples) but I can't put the volume in for nl8/nl10 to "get" how it plays different if at all. So I'll stay at nl4 until I can. There is no rush.
You can do this Don. You know you can
I don't think you need to play like a brain dead ape tho!
Donald, NL4 is beatable and you know it is beatable. The problem is that YOU cant beat it. I get the impression that you become obsessed with it and when you have a few BB you tilt.
A player with your experience at this poker malarky should be able to absolutely smash NL4. I disagree to a certain extent with a lot of the NL4 regs who advocate uber nitty ABC poker. Yes this is good advice for a new player but someone who has played as many hands as your goodself does not need to play nitty.
Providing you can read the board texture you SHOULD be making money at this level. The main reason being the nature of the vast majority will be playing ultr passive. Most dont know where the fold button is as you rightly point out but they dont know where the raise button is either. This fact alone allows a decent player to see flops cheaply and then, having read the texture of the board, proceed with either caution or aggression.
You have tried this so many times Don, but as Shanxta rightly says , along with Scotty77, LOLRaise et al, you just do not seem to listen to ANY advice given.
In fact i dont know why i have just typed all this, must be the alcohol.
Anyways GL mate.
p.s. dont sigh for once i think this plan works.
Its all there, no need to go over it again.
If you look at evilpingus post and the bits i highlighted on that post it should explain being outdrawn and flipping. If we get our money in as a 60% favourite more often than not then long term we make a profit. If you play lots of volume and still lose at micro stakes then its time to look at our game rather than what others are doing.
@ Ilove2h8pr,
NL8 does play different to NL4. Lot of people dont agree but its what i find. At NL8 we can start to play what some describe as 'proper poker' (whatever that means) on the right table but some tables play just like NL4. We dont have to raise 4x (unless UTG when its ok) because 3xbb will do on the whole.
A,K hand - raise 3xbb on the button, it makes our c-bet cheaper when we miss 2 out of 3 flops (c-bets work more often at NL8). Its a soaking wet flop with a straight, flushy drawy and 2 pair type board, do i call? with his stack, yes. So you ran in to a monster, i would just open notes on villain and note he calls out of position with a wide range to a 4x raise. I wanna play this guy as often as possible in future.
10,10 hand - Just make it 3xbb +1bb per limper so the raise should be around 32p. Your stack size makes it difficult for me cos i arent good at short stacking. This makes our c-bets cheaper again, instead of our remianding stack. As it is he has great odds to call with his gutshot flush draw due to your raise pre inflating the pot. Plays itself really due to stack sizes.
A,J hand - fold when he shoves, your marginally behind to pocket pairs like this and i dont really embrace flipping when its so much easier to wait for a better spot. I think your behind to too many hands to call this off. What hands in his shoving range are you favourite against? A,10-, K,x- and i am not sure he is doing that as light as that. Fair enough, you have reads but we seem to be flipping at best alot of the time.
I thnk having the extra movement could help me long term.
Although i will say this, great post mate.
As stated before multitabling is a must for NL4, atm thats soemthing im struggling with, and when i dont i just get bored and try and make a move. This obviously means hands like the Q9 hand which self admittedly is terrible pre happens.
Another issue is probably disapline. I dont grind anywhere near enough. And when i do tournaments just seem to lure me every single time.
Lots to work on i suspect. Unfortunetly its all stuff people cant teach sort of chaining me to a chair and only allowing my hand to work the mouse. So it going to take a while unfortunetly. Thanks fortaking time to talk about it though.
At this level i pull up 2/3 tables (if i'm on my laptop) or 6 if i'm on my iMac and i always have SkyPoker or the telly on in the background. I watch that, and if i don't get a hand it's no problem, i just keep folding them. I don't think you need to even watch the table play at this level as people will just usually bet when they've hit something.
It's all stuff you have the immediate power to change though. Before you play that bad hand just ask whether it will be profitable. Just literally take 2/3 seconds to think about it and you'll always throw it away.
In decemeber i was tabling between 6 and 9 tables for 6 hours a day. But i found that the first 3-4 hours where very profitable then the last two, im not sure why, im guessing fatige id just lose everything. As a result after a week of this i sort of gave up. If id have continued i suspect the C4P alone would have made up for that and gave me a strong monthly profit.
However i think i will go back to this, just with the rules of having at least 2 days off per week allowing me to refresh. I will be unlikley to move up stragiht away as i will be upgrading my PC at the earlist possible opportunity. As a resiult my plan is to start with £200 and i think ill withdraw £500 once i hit £1000. My pc is hand built so much better standard than what id have got in the shops for the price when i got it. As a result i rekon £500 would give me a pretty decent spec pc. I built this one 5 years ago for under £350 and it still plays all of todays games only needing to lower settings on some games.
You need to beat 4NL. Step7 (I think) had it pretty much perfect, yes you'll be super tight, and folding winning hands and exploitable, but 99% of players at 4NL won't know how to exploit it, and you will win long term.
However obviously this means gear changing and im allowed to play lag and represent a hand, or put an opponent to the test. All things that are massive no-nos at NL4. These are probably my 3 best poker traits imo, and thats obviously as a result costing me at NL4.
+1 drop the FPS and beat NL4 - if you cant' beat NL4 then you got no chance in cash poker
I have beaten NL4 by playing like a rock and also like a aggro monkey so.................
Not sure what I can say anymore.................
NL4 is the easiest level to beat, seriously !
Don you think you have more game than NL4, which you probaly do but you don't need a great game to beat NL4 - just play solid
all i will say just now is, i am a massive winner at this level over a long period so i guess i know a thing or 2 in how to beat it.
and what dohhhhh said above i finished march around £750 up just at nl4
this year alone i reckon ive played in the region of 300k hands and of the top of my head im showing a profit of around £1200-£1300 from nl4.
i know myself that i am not a good player, i'd class myself as compentent as whenever i try higher levels i instantly become the table fish but thats for me to work on myself.
nl4 is all about patience. there is soo much bad play around you just need to sit there n money will eventually fall to you.