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    edited November 2012
    Fed up with the effing system which says you are logged in then after posting a message says you are logged out for inactivity and you lose evrything. Here we go again:-

    Lots of class races tomorrow but most with small fields. I fancy these out of my ratings:-
    2.10 Ascot -Finians Rainbow to improve enough to pip For Non Stop-well that was disappointing, ground hopefully.
    2.45 A -Get Me Out of Here to pip Raya Star -Oscar Whisky looked very good
    12.20 Hay -Hollow Tree -Balder Success looked good under Hutchinson and nice backing to Zarkander's form.
    3.05 Silvianaco Conti- at last a winner and straight to the Gold cup by the looks of it.

    Now to the main ones:-

    iiii- Crowning Jewel 12.55 Haydock - 7-1 -Pity I missed the 9-1 but shows other people backing. This horse won over 2m6f before coming up against a couple of very well handicapped horse over a too short 2miles. Eduardo who won by 18 lengths next time out and Ifbutandwhynot who hacked up in a handicap at Cheltenham last week and will win again. Get on now. Oh dear my losing run with the ratings continues. Upped back in distance didnt work and I wonder now if this horses form is on a downward spiral whilst Eduardo and Ifbutandwhynot are on the up. Should have liked this race and I still think the form of that other race was good.

    iii - Champion Court 3.20 Ascot -3-1 - Entered for the big race at 2.10 but connections going for this easier contest despite its form suggesting it has a good chance in that. Good form with For Non Stop and second to Sir Des Champs last year so should win this. Sorry team but where did that come from, Williams Wishes off course for two years and absolutely smashed my horse who had has he's form boosted by silvianaco conti. Williams Wishes one to follow now. WOW

    ii -Ballybough Gorta - 3.40 Haydock - 4-1 -Ok hasnt won over this distance but his last six races have been four firsts and two seconds and he just keeps going when you think he has had enough. Kept intersted last time out he went on to win by seven lengths and has given Time For Spring a 9 legth beating as well. Gosh this horse is a trier even though he runs in snatches. Distance in this ground very much against him especially with the rain that came. Never going to win.

    i -Grassfinch -1.40 Ascot -10-1 -Won over 3miles last time leading all the way and with the ground tough tomorrow I feel she will have all the other horses off the bridle by the end.Florafern is 5-1 in this race and she beat the horses that one beat a lot more decisively and is double the price. The form couldn't have been too bad as Florafern came second, pity I picked the other one.

    Also fancy Dursey Sound 12-25 Ascot and big tip for Barafundle now 7-1 in 2.30 Haydock. If it runs to its form with Grand Crus it is nailed on. Also full brother to Irish Star Flemenstar.

    GooD luck all

      
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    edited November 2012
    Well another week with no winners from the ratings, At least not completely winnerless thanks to Silvianaco Conti.

    Only £18 up on my ratings now.

    Need a winner next week.

    Congrats to anybody who has been backing winners these last two Saturdays.

    Father V
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    edited November 2012
    On a terrible run and my bankroll is disappearing fast. I know I should have one of my ratings for the Hennesssy but despite flagging up Hold On Julio a few weeks back I would feel a lot more confident if Wayne Hutchinson was on it rather than Thornton. also I am worried about Tidal Bay and at a very good price Alfie Spinner. Alfie Spinner despite being out of the handicap will like the ground and will get the trip. Add to that he is 16-1 and Bobs Worth is 4-1 and this is great value. Bobs Worth only beat him by 2 &3/4 lengths giving Alfie Spinner 7lb and now he is giving him 23lbs . Alfie Spinner has had a run , Bobs worth hasnt. OK Alfie Spinner might not win but Bobs Worth certainly wont. And if Diamond Harry returns to form off 10st 3 he will walk it.

    Ratings to come later tonight.

    Father V
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    edited December 2012
    Here goes with the ratings:-

    iiii - Call Me a Star -12.50 Newbury -7-4- Ok a shorter odds horse than I would normally give but Should keep up her run . Another King horse not as good as he thinks she is and I will have to stop buying the Weekender. The front two had a tremendous race and are a lot better than this mare.

    iii - Hunters Lodge -12.15 Newbury - 7-2 - Horse gets on well with amatuer jockey and has run well three times already this season and hopefully this should be the fourth. Last time out 3rd to Swing Bill after running on superbly after losing ground at one time. 2nd Sizing Santiago backed form with his win thursday. Incredible, this was a repeat of this horses last race, going well he then seemed to lose interest and then came like he ll at end, unfortunately first two had got away. 3rd.

    ii  - Benny's Mist -1.25 Newbury -10-1 - Venetia Williams horse have been in good form this year and this horse has already won 3 times. Last time 3rd to Time For Spring and this lesser distance should help it get back into winners circle. Got a bit excited there especially as I thought the shorter distance would suit it and it was jumping for fun and out in front. Coming up the home straight it suddenly started to tire and passed by four other horses to finish 5th.  Perhaps it ran too freely.

    i- Michael Flips - 3.40 Newbury - 7-1 - Two bad mistakes last time behind Al Ferof led to his pulling up. Have given him as a horse to back before and will give him one last chance. His form is better than what he has shown so far. fLATTERED TO DECEIVE AND ANother loser

    Good Luck all 
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    edited December 2012
    In Response to Re: Four Candles Ratings for 01/12:
    On a terrible run and my bankroll is disappearing fast. I know I should have one of my ratings for the Hennesssy but despite flagging up Hold On Julio a few weeks back I would feel a lot more confident if Wayne Hutchinson was on it rather than Thornton. also I am worried about Tidal Bay and at a very good price Alfie Spinner. Alfie Spinner despite being out of the handicap will like the ground and will get the trip. Add to that he is 16-1 and Bobs Worth is 4-1 and this is great value. Bobs Worth only beat him by 2 &3/4 lengths giving Alfie Spinner 7lb and now he is giving him 23lbs . Alfie Spinner has had a run , Bobs worth hasnt. OK Alfie Spinner might not win but Bobs Worth certainly wont. And if Diamond Harry returns to form off 10st 3 he will walk it. Ratings to come later tonight. Father V
    Posted by vaigret
    What did I tell you, first past the post Alfie Spinner, said he would beat Bobs Worth.

    Only trouble jockey got off at the third.

    LOL

    Well done to anybody who ignored me.

    Best thing to do at mo, cant even pick my nose.
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    edited December 2012
    who would have known young Alfie wouldve have played such a big part!! had me heart in me mouth everytime he was bobbing and weaving out in front loose!!! good luck with Michael Flips though as im on the fav i say that with gritted teeth  : )
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    edited December 2012
    ive had saver on Michael Flips tenner e/w
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    edited December 2012
    Got to stop my bad run as my ratings only showing a £14 level profit to a £1 stake now. Here's hoping I have found some.

    iiii - Ifandbutwhynot -11-4 2.30 Sandown - This horse won very well at cheltenham stuffing Tanerko Emery who won very cosily yesterday. Too cosily for my liking . Ok Timmy M not on horse this time but Denis O'regan should be able deputy and I am backing this horse with confidence. Oh dear, ridden with plenty of confidence
    by Denis O' Regan but found little off the bend and the 13lb penalty obviously stopped him. 

    iii - Kentford Grey Lady - 3-1 - 12.55 Sandown - Hopefully emma Lavelle has got this horse wound up for tomorrow and if she has this mare should win how she likes. Ran some superb races last year and finished it off with a good second to Quevega at the festival. At Last a winner and class tells, what a brilliant price 9-2 and reckon she will come on for this. Justazippy looked like she would give mine a rtace before falling at last and if she recovers ok should also be watched.

    ii - Gansey - 4-1 - 3.20 Aintree - If Sue Smith's horse takes to the National fences I think it will win. Good second to Bless The Wings last time out. Absolutely loved the fences and herioc in defeat. You would have thought Ryan Mania would have learnt from his ride on Gullible Gordon in the earlier race, again he went for his whip and lead too early and Sam Twiston-Davies gave him another lesson on the run in.

    i - Fleet Dawn - 6-1 -2.20 Wetherby - already talked about Ifnotandwhynot who finished behind Pas Trop Tard on its first run. Both ifnot and Eduardo have franked that form and Pas Trop Tard won next time out as well. This horse put up a brave effort to beat it and as a result lost second place on the line. Hopefully it will get compensation today. Ran really well and jockey sat tight thinking he would pick up the winner easily, unfortunately Mlashi always finds more and got his hat trick, good second for mine sorry not a winner.

    Have stayed away from Becher Chase as I fancy both West End Rocker and Big Fella Thanks, both of whom have run good races over these fences in the past. As long as their last visits there havent put them off they will go very close. Big Fella Thanks good 3rd but West End Rocker obviously hates the place now.

    Also backed Across The Bay 1.05 Aintree- Should have done the form horse Wayward Prince who finished 2nd to Silviano Conti last time, form tells whoever trains it LOL

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    Rendl Beach in first at Chepstow. Backed to odds on and tried to run out after one circuit and pulled up

    Good luck all Father V  

     
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    edited December 2012
    u put up ifandwhybutnot very confidentaly last time out and touched nicely but i suspect starluck at the weights will spank them all at a huge 20/1
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    edited December 2012


    I'll go with ii and iiii as they are on ch.4, along with Golan Way, and Join together. 

    Bell, the bet365 guy has gone with starluck too. You probably already know that. Shame they're in the same race 
    :(

    Good luck today Father V, I predict the downswing ends today!!! ;)
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    edited December 2012
    In Response to Re: Four Candles Ratings for 08/12:
    I'll go with ii and iiii as they are on ch.4, along with Golan Way, and Join together.  Bell, the bet365 guy has gone with starluck too. You probably already know that. Shame they're in the same race  :( Good luck today Father V, I predict the downswing ends today!!! ;)
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    I certainly hope so Dohhhhhhhhhh

    Good luck with your bets today
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    edited December 2012
    Cheers for tips

    Missed Kentford grey lady but did these in a lucky 15

    Ballabriggs                 2.10 Aintree - lost(wudda been a nicestart with a 14/1shot)
    Ifandwhybutwynot       2.30 Sandown -  lost
    Little Josh                  3.20 Aintree
    Fleet Dawn                 2.20 Wetherby  -lost (2nd)

    Lucky 15 - 15 bets at 30p =£4.50
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    edited December 2012
    Message for Bellpoker

    When is Mr King going to make Wayne Hutchinson his number one ?. another brilliant ride on Araldur to win at 10-1. Hands and heels better than Thornton
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    edited December 2012
    i hadnt a clue dooohhh so im glad theres no smoke without fire and i havent completly lost the plot!!! starlucks been running like a 20/1 shot for the past while but the easier the company the sooner hell go in
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    edited December 2012

    Thought Join Together was gonna get there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Wow, 50 more yards!!!!!!!!!

    fmlfmlfml
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    edited December 2012
    starluck ran like a 33/1 shot so dems the breaks i was dubious when he drifted rather than shortened but had tenner e/w regardless but at least saved meself 30 quid from a planned treble with quito de la roque (and captain conan and SS) which i didnt get on in time and quito was turned over! could barely write out a docket there such is my hungover state so called it a day hoping for a good tingle creek here see what sprinter is all about
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    edited December 2012
    Not a bad day one winner and two seconds and £15.50 up to £1 level stake.

    hope some people got some place doubles and trebles to help.
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    edited December 2012
    well done mate
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    edited December 2012
    In Response to Re: Four Candles Ratings for 08/12:
    Cheers for tips Missed Kentford grey lady but did these in a lucky 15 Ballabriggs                 2.10 Aintree - lost(wudda been a nicestart with a 14/1shot) Ifandwhybutwynot       2.30 Sandown -  lost Little Josh                  3.20 Aintree Fleet Dawn                 2.20 Wetherby  -lost (2nd) Lucky 15 - 15 bets at 30p =£4.50
    Posted by MP33
    Didn,t bother checking the last one until now as my other 3 had all lost which i got off here .
     
    This was the only one i picked myself as my nephew is called Josh and hes little, just turned 9. It came in at at 7/2 so in future i,m gonna go with sticking with my favourite names
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    edited December 2012
    Hi MP33

    As good a system as any mate
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    edited December 2012
    good days racing tomorrow looking forward to it
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    edited December 2012
    Well a little bit better last week so will carry on trying.

    iiii -Tanerko Emery - 15/8 1.10 Lingfield - Been running well all season and I was on last time when Connor O Farrell played his hand to perfection to beat Able Deputy last time. Cant see that he has stopped winning yet. At the top of the hill he looked like he was floundering in the ground but then once in the home straight he passed all easily and won hard held. Still improving.

    iii- Lamps -3-1 Lingfield- Poor old Frank might be on his way out but I think this horse is on his way up. Mighty impressive last time out when beating Gallox Bridge who ran well for a long time in a race yesterday and in better class. Came there at start of staraight looking all over the winner but found little and horses he passed easily came back and beat him well. My first horse today that hasnt finished 1st or second and the win treble go does the drain. Oh well still been good.

    ii - Shooters Wood -7-2 1.20 Cheltenahm - At the bottom of the handicap but won well last time out . I think he is another improver who will go on to better things. Second winner of the day and ultra confident Ruby, thank goodness he left so much to get rid of His Excelency near the line. Again wonderful jumper and also still improving. 

    i -Pentiffic -12-1 -3.20 Doncaster - My wild card as Venetia Williams horses running so well and this horse right down at the bottom of handicap and has run some good races in defeat. Lets hope he can finally get a win. Always struggling as always seems the case when I pick a Venetia Williams horse.
     
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    edited December 2012
    looking forward to the 320 doncaster looks a good betting heat, PENTIFFIC looks a solid e/w bet at a price, though my nap of day runs and is IKORODU ROAD 20/1 , the heavy ground might put me off shooters wood as i was originally was going to pick and now see OH CRICK as value in the conditions after a very good second at Newbury last time out, TANKERO EMERY has impressed me and should go on to better things and taken on board whats been said about lamps and may include in perms of some sort throught the other cards, good luck with all 4

    p.s. your namesake, no matter how impressive last time out, is a tad short as a result (some will argue 9/10 is a good price given how well he won last time) in the 12:45, but going to tickle BEST SERVED COLD in same race at a big 20/1, though with only 6 runners your not really getting a good shout on an e/w
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    edited December 2012
    IMITATION IS THE SINCEREST FORM OF FLATTERY

    Pricewise has done it again, copying me with Pentiffic. At least I got the price before he tipped it.

    Bell,

    I have done Our Father, Zarkander and Coneygree in short priced Treble.

    Good luck with your horses

    Father V
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    edited December 2012
    So far so good but could have been better .

    So far 2 out of 3 in two patents.
    and 1 out of 2 in a double and singles.

    Just shows not just a question of picking winners, you have to get them together right LOL
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    edited December 2012
    After two winners last week I'm going slightly off piste this week to try and find a bit more value.

    iiii - Merrydown 3.25 Haydock 9-1 - Ok so Bears Affair won his race by miles last time so this horse coming second was not outstanding form. However this race will be a slog and when he was behind Bears Affair over 2m 4f he was last coming into the straight , he ran on superbly to take second past Away with the Greys who is well thought of Peter Bowen and this distance should suit off bottom weight. Also Nicky Richards in better form with his horses this year. Never in it after the second last and ones up front didnt stop.

    iii - Trustan Times -2.00 Ascot 3-1
    `- This is a huge step up in class for this horse but the Easterby's have always produced horses that can be underated. I reckon this horse can take the step up in class in his stride. Finished 3rd but never going to win as Reve De Sivola comes back to form to win easily.

    ii - Its a Gimme - 3.10 Ascot -9-1- another value bet with this horse that finished a very close second to Raya Star last time and I hope can go one better. Didnt like the banging and barging that went on around him and McCoy just let him come home in own time.

    i- Hold On Julio - 2.35 Ascot 5-2 - This horse should love the conditions and the trip and I am staying loyal to him even though he ridden by the idiot Thornton. What a surprise. Dont know if horse would have won but Thornton proves again he cannot ride chasers. Left Horse guessing six out and bad jump, pushed him into next and horse jumped well, next fence left horse guessing again and horse falls. The bloke is a liability over fences. 

    Other horses strongly fancied-
    Able Deputy 12.10 Haydock-9/4 -only beaten half a length at Sandown by last weeks winner Tanerko Energy.Good start only 5 hurdles to jump and mine gets knocked sideways at the first and falls. Could be a cr ap day.
    Grafite 1.45 Haydock 9-1 - my only worry with this horse is that its hard race last week winning at Lingfield has took the edge of him. However gone with his will to win and will get the distance wheras I am doubtful a lot of his opponents will. Grafite a bit over the top from last week and miss another Wayne Hutchinson win for Alan King.
    Haydock 2-15 is an interesting race as I strongly fancy Merry King 11-4 who finished a good second to Rolling Aces last time in a race where the fifth Handy Andy has come out and won since. However I am worried about Cannington Book who was supposed to be going for the Welsh National and is fancied for that by the Tizzards so why oh why are they running in this. Is it a piece of work or are they going for this now instead of the National? At last something good I either have the winner Merry King or the forecast , cant be bad.

    Just a liile saver in 3.10 Ascot Dan Breen at 33-1. Nice one in 3rd

    Have a good day and Great Christmas

    God be with you

    Father V  
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    edited December 2012
    In Response to Re: Four Candles Ratings for 22/12:
    After two winners last week I'm going slightly off piste this week to try and find a bit more value. iiii - Merrydown 3.25 Haydock 9-1 - Ok so Bears Affair won his race by miles last time so this horse coming second was not outstanding form. However this race will be a slog and when he was behind Bears Affair over 2m 4f he was last coming into the straight , he ran on superbly to take second past Away with the Greys who is well thought of Peter Bowen and this distance should suit off bottom weight. Also Nicky Richards in better form with his horses this year.  iii - Trustan Times -2.00 Ascot 3-1 `- This is a huge step up in class for this horse but the Easterby's have always produced horses that can be underated. I reckon this horse can take the step up in class in his stride. ii - Its a Gimme - 3.10 Ascot -9-1- another value bet with this horse that finished a very close second to Raya Star last time and I hope can go one better. i- Hold On Julio - 2.35 Ascot 5-2 - This horse should love the conditions and the trip and I am staying loyal to him even though he ridded by the idiot Thornton. Other horses strongly fancied- Able Deputy 12.10 Haydock-9/4 -only beaten half a length at Sandown by last weeks winner Tanerko Energy. Grafite 1.45 Haydock 9-1 - my only worry with this horse is that its hard race last week winning at Lingfield has took the edge of him. However gone with his will to win and will get the distance wheras I am doubtful a lot of his opponents will. Haydock 2-15 is an interesting race as I strongly fancy Merry King 11-4 who finished a good second to Rolling Aces last time in a race where the fifth Handy Andy has come out and won since. However I am worried about Cannington Book who was supposed to be going for the Welsh National and is fancied for that by the Tizzards so why oh why are they running in this. Is it a piece of work or are they going for this now instead of the National?  Just a liile saver in 3.10 Ascot Dan Breen at 33-1 Have a good day and Great Christmas God be with you Father V  
    Posted by vaigret

    I think Dan Breen is a huge price after watching his last race,i was on Merrydown last time out and Graphite.So my bet for Saturday will be those 3 in an eachway Patent. Good luck all, and keep up the good work father.
    Cheers to all , and a Merry Christmas. Dave.
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    edited December 2012
    Cheers Dave,

    Lets hope we are lucky

    Father V
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    edited December 2012
    Last ratings of the year and lets hope we can finish it off in style.

    iiii - Fill The Power 2.55 Don - 4-1 - With the darts this is a topical choice but even better is the form of this ones conqueror last time out namely Wyck Hill who won a competitive race during the week easily. Looked well beat than run on superbly to look like he would win jumping the last, unfortunately as soon as he got to leaders withers it ran on again and low weight counted. Very pleased with gritty run although another loser.

    iii - Firbird Flyer - 2.25 Don - 3-1 - For a horse that won by 15lengths last time this horse has a feather weight and I am very hopeful it is on the upgrade. Really hopeful for most of this race as it looked like all the jockey had to do was let him down to win. Nothing found for pressure and finished 4th. Horse who won Storm Survivor at 22-1 looked well beat coming into straight and then won very cosily. One to watch over hurdles.

    ii - Bakbenscher - 3.15 New - 4-1 Ok it had a tough race winning at Haydock but did it well and as I have been going on about how well Wayne Hutchinson is doing for Alan King and then not backing them that I cannot leave this one alone. Gone up 6lb but only carrying 10 6lb Came looking good but othgers found more under pressure and only came third in end.

    i- Renoyr - 3.25 Don 7-1 - As usual my one candle rating is a bit of a wild card. Malcolm Jefferson has been on form recently and this looks a very intersting horse. 2nd last time out in Ireland to Dont Tell Pa who has won three times this season and was well fancied for a big hurdle race there on Friday. This race is not in that class.
     At least I can still pick out dark horses, this one was always coasting and won without feeling the whip and should go on to better things. Hope it was my tip that forced the price down to 9-2 with loads of you following it.
    Other horses I like are

    Bury Parade 3-1 1.35 New -jumped to the right most of the way and not that well either. Will be better going right handed. AP McCoy gave Colour Squadron a good ride after saddle slipped and watch out for this next time.
    State Benefit 4-1 2.10 New  -Didnt like ground and went out like a light after one circuit.PU
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    edited December 2012
    One winner and a second and third

    Now £17.88 up to a £1 level stake
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