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Every Don has its day

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  • edited March 2013
    If you use correct BRM this will not be an issue.

    Sorry, I cannot beleive they were all suckouts. You might have played some of the hands in a way you thought was right, but in reality was not.

    I strongly advise playing two 4nl tables for an hour and recording it, then posting online for people to critique (Assuming Sky are ok with this - I would ask first)

    You might not be in the right frame of mind to agree, but I think there is a few areas in your game to address. It is not the fishes fault.
  • edited March 2013
    In Response to Re: Every Don has its day.:
       Don, dont go off on 1 m8, from what i can see you have turned 20 into just under 3ton in less that a month ffs.   Ok, you suffered a bad session, get over it, please dont return to type and quit AGAIN.     You have the game and have proven it so just stick at it, drop down a level andkeep going.
    Posted by pomfrittes

    I dropped to NL10 earlier for a diff reason (table selection). And im not quitted not atm, you know what my post bad session posts are like. Expessially after a few bad sessions. 

    In Response to Re: Every Don has its day.:
    It's poker Donald, it's the way it is and the way it will always be. I know of players FAR better than you and me who have lost 60 BIs in the space of a week or two. This has been said loads before but poker can be REALLY brutal sometimes, and if you can't handle it, then you're never gonna be happy playing the game.
    Posted by Lambert180

    I know

    In Response to Re: Every Don has its day.:
    u still don't get it they have to win the minority, which allows you to win the majority you going to have losing sessions
    Posted by rancid

    9/9 is a minority ok then. And fwiw i understand we having losing sessions. But to lose half a months earnings in 2 days is redic. 


    In Response to Re: Every Don has its day.:
    In Response to Re: Every Don has its day. : I've played nl20 allbeit at mastercash tables, and I havent seen anything out of the ordinary, its like every level up to nl50, the nitty regs prevail. Theres a few laggy nutters, but nothing the don cant deal with.  In my experience, the best way to get over a setback is to mix it up, play mtt's too, they are v soft at lower levels on sky. 
    Posted by ACEGOONER


    Glad you think so

    In Response to Re: Every Don has its day.:
    If you use correct BRM this will not be an issue. Sorry, I cannot beleive they were all suckouts. You might have played some of the hands in a way you thought was right, but in reality was not. I strongly advise playing two 4nl tables for an hour and recording it, then posting online for people to critique (Assuming Sky are ok with this - I would ask first) You might not be in the right frame of mind to agree, but I think there is a few areas in your game to address. It is not the fishes fault.
    Posted by calcalfold

    BRM and this wouldnt be an issue. Ive explained this in the past, i have tilt issues and its not BRM related. 

    Believe what you like. And i believe i've done the recording a session thing before, in fact i think i was one of the first on sky (if not the first) to do it. 

    Fwiw i think you know what its like to have a bad session, it was only 6 days ago you where moaning about fish on NL4 and how much harder it was to beat "sunday button mashers"
  • edited March 2013
    In Response to Re: Every Don has its day.:
    Day 8  Ive decided to stop playing for today. I have played 2 small sessions. In both i have won a combined 1 hand of a value more than 5BB. that was KK v 77. I have lost v every single draw when im huge. I cant beat fish its simple as that. Compelete redic.  I mean Ive been against maybe 15 draws all day. Ive lost to 14 of them, the 15th i also lost because it was 3 way, and i got bluffed off the best hand. I dont know why i bother. 9 gutshots v me 9 gutshots hit. 4 flush draws, 3 flush draws hit.  Flop top two pair on the BB in a limped pot. get it all in v slow played aces. Guess your turn! Im sorry but long term game. WTF is that. I know im not the best player in the world but serious.  Im seriously close to just withdrawing and giving up. Same **** every time i play. Play well gain a roll, then redic suckouts every ******* hand.  Bankroll: £267.51 Points: 1024
    Posted by The_Don90

    Stop counting ;)
  • edited March 2013
    In Response to Re: Every Don has its day.:
    In Response to Re: Every Don has its day. : Stop counting ;)
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH

    sigh you could have posted this 5 mins ago and Id have got u in bove post. 

    I knew this was comming. 
  • edited March 2013
    At least Rangers have an easy game today... should cruise to a home win against Annan! Who are Annan?

    :)
  • edited March 2013
    "Fwiw i think you know what its like to have a bad session, it was only 6 days ago you where moaning about fish on NL4 and how much harder it was to beat "sunday button mashers"

    There is a moan about increased weekend variance, and then there is toys out of the pram overload a la the above.

    Tilt is very BRM related, you might not be conscious of it, but dropping 25% of you bankroll in one session will impact you in a much worse way, compared to a 5% drop.
  • edited March 2013
    *Hits ignore greghogg* ;) 


    In Response to Re: Every Don has its day.:
    "Fwiw i think you know what its like to have a bad session, it was only 6 days ago you where moaning about fish on NL4 and how much harder it was to beat "sunday button mashers" There is a moan about increased weekend variance, and then there is toys out of the pram overload a la the above. Tilt is very BRM related, you might not be conscious of it, but dropping 25% of you bankroll in one session will impact you in a much worse way, compared to a 5% drop.
    Posted by calcalfold
    Sir i respectfully request that unless you understand how my mind works, to not attempt to lecture me on BRM. 

    I have taken a rough patch of variance. I vented and have taken a wee while off enough said. 

    As someone else said i turned £20 into £400 in a month, yes ive had a bad couple of days, actually looking over hands atm. However rght now im losing to the "sunday button mashers" im not complaining. 
  • edited March 2013
    In Response to Re: Every Don has its day.:
    *Hits ignore greghogg* ;)  In Response to Re: Every Don has its day. : Sir i respectfully request that unless you understand how my mind works, to not attempt to lecture me on BRM.  I have taken a rough patch of variance. I vented and have taken a wee while off enough said.  As someone else said i turned £20 into £400 in a month, yes ive had a bad couple of days, actually looking over hands atm. However rght now im losing to the "sunday button mashers" im not complaining. 
    Posted by The_Don90
    How does your mind work?
  • edited March 2013
    playing with 20 bins will always be tough escpially when variance kicks you in the teeth

    Look on the bright side - run good is coming )



    Yeah and stop counting )


    Just count how mnay times your going in in front and behind and see if your doing the right thing
    If your doing it correct then run good will come



  • edited March 2013
    In Response to Re: Every Don has its day.:
    playing with 20 bins will always be tough escpially when variance kicks you in the teeth Look on the bright side - run good is coming ) Yeah and stop counting ) Just count how mnay times your going in in front and behind and see if your doing the right thing If your doing it correct then run good will come
    Posted by rancid
    Yeah i agree. I'm gna drop to NL10 and play only the softer NL20 tables. Although given 90% are filled with regs means thats not gna change much anyways. lol. 

    As you say variance can kick you in the teeth, 
  • edited March 2013
    So can annan athletic:( Ouch
  • edited March 2013
    In Response to Re: Every Don has its day.:
    So can annan athletic:( Ouch
    Posted by LARSON7
    and Ross County, 2-0 up and still lose, i'd be ashamed. 
  • edited March 2013
    lol Mon the mighty annan athletic haha imagine trying to compare it to a premier league team losing off the back of playing in the Champions league.
  • edited March 2013
    In Response to Re: Every Don has its day.:
    lol Mon the mighty annan athletic haha imagine trying to compare it to a premier league team losing off the back of playing in the Champions league.
    Posted by LARSON7
    same old excuses. 2-0 up v a side who your miles better than and you lose. No excuse cuts it. 

    We have no excuse either, 
  • edited March 2013
    Day 8 - Part 2

    I asked a mate to sit and watch me have another session. 

    Went well. NOT 

    If sky will let me ill post hands. Maybe someone else can offer feedback. 
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    fender361 Small blind  £0.10 £0.10 £17.65
    Lastogo Big blind  £0.20 £0.30 £15.60
     Your hole cards
    • A
    • A
       
    PIPERTUNE Fold     
    curlychris Raise  £0.40 £0.70 £17.71
    three33320 Fold     
    The_Don90 Raise  £1.20 £1.90 £18.10
    fender361 Call  £1.10 £3.00 £16.55
    Lastogo Fold     
    curlychris Call  £0.80 £3.80 £16.91
    Flop
      
    • Q
    • Q
    • 8
       
    fender361 Check     
    curlychris Check     
    The_Don90 Bet  £1.90 £5.70 £16.20
    fender361 Raise  £3.80 £9.50 £12.75
    curlychris Fold     
    The_Don90 Call  £1.90 £11.40 £14.30
    Turn
      
    • 2
       
    fender361 All-in  £12.75 £24.15 £0.00
    The_Don90 Call  £12.75 £36.90 £1.55
    fender361 Show
    • A
    • Q
       
    The_Don90 Show
    • A
    • A
       
    River
      
    • 5
       
    fender361 Win Three Queens £35.10  £35.10
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    PEGSY Small blind  £0.10 £0.10 £22.42
    Bergman Big blind  £0.20 £0.30 £27.35
     Your hole cards
    • Q
    • Q
       
    Nooob101 Fold     
    TROGG463 Fold     
    The_Don90 Raise  £0.60 £0.90 £19.10
    DOYLIE Call  £0.60 £1.50 £4.90
    PEGSY Fold     
    Bergman Fold     
    Flop
      
    • 8
    • 6
    • 2
       
    The_Don90 Bet  £0.75 £2.25 £18.35
    DOYLIE All-in  £4.90 £7.15 £0.00
    The_Don90 Call  £4.15 £11.30 £14.20
    The_Don90 Show
    • Q
    • Q
       
    DOYLIE Show
    • 8
    • 6
       
    Turn
      
    • 3
       
    River
      
    • K
       
    DOYLIE Win Two Pairs, 8s and 6s £10.73  £10.73
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    Bergman Small blind  £0.10 £0.10 £16.73
    Nooob101 Big blind  £0.20 £0.30 £23.32
     Your hole cards
    • 10
    • 10
       
    TROGG463 Fold     
    The_Don90 Raise  £0.60 £0.90 £15.37
    DOYLIE Fold     
    PEGSY Call  £0.60 £1.50 £41.28
    Bergman Call  £0.50 £2.00 £16.23
    Nooob101 Call  £0.40 £2.40 £22.92
    Flop
      
    • 3
    • 8
    • 7
       
    Bergman Check     
    Nooob101 Check     
    The_Don90 Bet  £1.40 £3.80 £13.97
    PEGSY Raise  £4.00 £7.80 £37.28
    Bergman Fold     
    Nooob101 Call  £4.00 £11.80 £18.92
    The_Don90 Call  £2.60 £14.40 £11.37
    Turn
      
    • J
       
    Nooob101 Check     
    The_Don90 Check     
    PEGSY All-in  £37.28 £51.68 £0.00
    Nooob101 All-in  £18.92 £70.60 £0.00
    The_Don90 Fold     
    PEGSY Unmatched bet  £18.36 £52.24 £18.36
    Nooob101 Show
    • 8
    • 8
       
    PEGSY Show
    • 8
    • Q
       
    River
      
    • 5
       
    Nooob101 Win Three 8s £50.44  £50.44
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    PEGSY Small blind  £0.10 £0.10 £41.88
    Bergman Big blind  £0.20 £0.30 £20.56
     Your hole cards
    • A
    • A
       
    Nooob101 Fold     
    TROGG463 Fold     
    The_Don90 Raise  £0.60 £0.90 £19.30
    DOYLIE Call  £0.60 £1.50 £15.60
    PEGSY Fold     
    Bergman Call  £0.40 £1.90 £20.16
    Flop
      
    • 7
    • 8
    • 3
       
    Bergman Check     
    The_Don90 Bet  £0.95 £2.85 £18.35
    DOYLIE Call  £0.95 £3.80 £14.65
    Bergman Call  £0.95 £4.75 £19.21
    Turn
      
    • 9
       
    Bergman Check     
    The_Don90 Bet  £2.38 £7.13 £15.97
    DOYLIE Call  £2.38 £9.51 £12.27
    Bergman Call  £2.38 £11.89 £16.83
    River
      
    • 5
       
    Bergman Check     
    The_Don90 Check     
    DOYLIE Check     
    Bergman Show
    • 8
    • 9
       
    The_Don90 Muck
    • A
    • A
       
    DOYLIE Show
    • J
    • 7
       
    DOYLIE Win Flush to the Jack £11.29  £23.56
    Literally i had 4 major pocket pairs, all 4 of those account for my 4 biggest losing hands. 

    bankroll: £222.14

    Points:  1062
  • edited March 2013
    having a one pr hand out flopped is not the end of the world

    sometimes we just gotta fold


    folding minimises your loses


  • edited March 2013
    Hand 1 - Hate it when we get clicked back, probably call the flop though like a big station. Once he ships the turn I fold.

    Hand 2 - Makes no difference this time but I definitely c-bet bigger, snap off his shove. Unlucky

    Hand 3 - Well played, good fold.

    Hand 4 - Again you HAVE to be c-betting bigger, especially on boards that are quite wet and being 3way. I'd c-bet probably £1.20 ish at least. Are you just pressing the half pot button cos it looks like that on the turn too. After 2 callers on the flop and like the worst ever turn card, I'd check and probably fold to any decent sized bet.
  • edited March 2013
    Hand 1 and 4, cant do much about that.

    Hand 2, not sure what he is raising with that you can beat, did you assign a rough range before stacking off that hand?

    Hand 3, alarm bells on the flop, not saying fold but its a bit of a worry that should the turn have been a blank 2 or mostly irrelevant 3 I get the impression you might have stacked off.

    4nl auto stack off with overcards is mostly fine. But its poor at 20nl
  • edited March 2013
    CalCal... the 2nd hand, villian is sat down with 25xBB so imo we can instantly tag him as a poor player assuming it's not just that he lost a big pot the previous hand and didn't top up in time.

    So he only has 25xBB and ships that flop, he could easily just have Aspades and literally any other hand. He might do it with Kspades and any other card, he could do it with tons of 8x hands cos he fears the flush and wants to close it down now (not saying that's the correct thought process but it's how some people think), could also have OPs to the board that we beat. We definitely got to snap off his shove.
  • edited March 2013
    "We" do not, you might

    Worst case scenario QQ is behind, as it was in this case

    Best case scenario we could be imo when the villian shoves might be

    example 1. Villian had Ace spades, Any 6
    QQ is 48.38%


    example 2. Villain had King spades, 9 hearts
    QQ is 52.73%


    When you consider rake if QQ hold, neither of these are worth stacking off with.

    My decision to fold still stands. Villain might be a bad player, but to assume a bad player always has the worst hand is a very bad assumption to make.

    Villain will tend to fold utter air anyway.

    Regarding ops to the board (ie any pp), a 25bb player will often just shove that pre, so I would generally rule that out.
  • edited March 2013
    Sorry but you're just wrong. Assuming you're reasonable with his jamming range.

    Here's how our equity stands up assuming he only EVER shoves sets, 99-TT, 2prs and TP A8

    Board: 8s 6s 2s
    Dead: 

        equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied   
    Hand 0:     48.813%      47.03%     01.79%              19554           742.50   { QdQh }
    Hand 1:     51.187%      49.40%     01.79%              20541           742.50   { TT-88, 66, 22, A8s, 86s, A8o, 86o }


    So we're just worse than flipping in this situation but we're not getting even money on a call, we're calling £4.15 to win £7.15

    So first of all, it's not that bad even if he is ridic tight. All you have to do is add in a few straight draw hands like 57, a couple of Aspades X hands, maybe Kspades X hands, and we EASILY have the correct price and odds to call.
  • edited March 2013
    In Response to Re: Every Don has its day.:
    Hand 1 and 4, cant do much about that. Hand 2, not sure what he is raising with that you can beat, did you assign a rough range before stacking off that hand? Hand 3, alarm bells on the flop, not saying fold but its a bit of a worry that should the turn have been a blank 2 or mostly irrelevant 3 I get the impression you might have stacked off. 4nl auto stack off with overcards is mostly fine. But its poor at 20nl
    Posted by calcalfold

    Hand 1 Carnt do anything about lol

    Unless your facing a blindfolded maniac wearing boxing gloves this is a clear fold on the turn and save the £12.75 for Pizza when your chilling out later

    The rest are pretty standard and unlucky and by the way another reason that hand 2 is a snap call is because we should be trying to get his cash before he gives it to someone else ( Agree totally with Lambert180 )

    Keep ya spirits up Don mate it wont happen like this forever but always remember WE WANT THESE PLAYERS AT THE TABLE ( well at least one of them we do :)  )

    And also remember that a poker players depression only lasts aslong as his next win mate :)
  • edited March 2013
    Thanks all for comments. The AA v AQ hand was at the end of the session so probably some tilt thinking. 

    Decided to play some MTTs today to give me a break, play what im more consistant at and maybe regain some belief i can win. 

    Also have my mum and grand father comming around today to assist with laying  a new carpet, so probably wont get a full grind on. 


  • edited March 2013
    Lambert,

    Not going to read your last post as I dont want to end up replying and dominating Dons thread, so lets just leave it that we agree to disagree. Oh and FYI when somebody is telling you what they would do, they are not wrong, unless you know what I would do better than I do.

    Don, nice idea to add some MTT, Generally the standard of Bhunters is pretty poor cracking on with a few of these could see your roll regenerate in no time. Just be careful before you stack off mid pairs pre flop. Hope to see you above £300 again soon. I did a heads up shuffle last night and managed a 3rd place, if you have any kind of heads up ability I would consider playing some. One of the chaps I knocked out slowplayed aces to the river then called a 3bet all in on a super dangerous board for me to knock him out with the nut straight.
  • edited March 2013
    Day 9

    I played 2 mtts, both bounty hunters. Good start to one, taking 2 heads upto 6k. Then AK into AA, a lost flip despite hitting an A with AJ couldnt beat 44. Left me with 6BB i shoved KJ called by K9. J9xx9 board.

    Next 1 i get one head with AA, then bust with TT v J4.

    So back to cash. We someone please to god explain to me how the donkey i keep losing.
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    stien Small blind  £0.05 £0.05 £22.20
    nickd49931 Big blind  £0.10 £0.15 £19.90
     Your hole cards
    • K
    • K
       
    The_Don90 Raise  £0.30 £0.45 £23.60
    FADAM Fold     
    mattless Call  £0.30 £0.75 £19.67
    TheUKSpoon Raise  £0.70 £1.45 £8.48
    stien Fold     
    nickd49931 Fold     
    The_Don90 Raise  £1.60 £3.05 £22.00
    mattless Fold     
    TheUKSpoon Raise  £2.50 £5.55 £5.98
    The_Don90 All-in  £22.00 £27.55 £0.00
    TheUKSpoon All-in  £5.98 £33.53 £0.00
    The_Don90 Unmatched bet  £14.72 £18.81 £14.72
    The_Don90 Show
    • K
    • K
       
    TheUKSpoon Show
    • A
    • A
       
    Flop
      
    • 8
    • 9
    • J
       
    Turn
      
    • 10
       
    River
      
    • 10
       
    TheUKSpoon Win Two Pairs, Aces and 10s £17.41  £17.41
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    usandthem Small blind  £0.05 £0.05 £4.36
    nickd49931 Big blind  £0.10 £0.15 £21.23
     Your hole cards
    • J
    • J
       
    The_Don90 Raise  £0.30 £0.45 £26.50
    FADAM Fold     
    tony2453 Fold     
    TheUKSpoon Call  £0.30 £0.75 £15.45
    usandthem Fold     
    nickd49931 Fold     
    Flop
      
    • K
    • A
    • 7
       
    The_Don90 Bet  £0.40 £1.15 £26.10
    TheUKSpoon Call  £0.40 £1.55 £15.05
    Turn
      
    • J
       
    The_Don90 Bet  £0.80 £2.35 £25.30
    TheUKSpoon Call  £0.80 £3.15 £14.25
    River
      
    • 6
       
    The_Don90 Bet  £2.25 £5.40 £23.05
    TheUKSpoon Raise  £4.50 £9.90 £9.75
    The_Don90 Call  £2.25 £12.15 £20.80
    TheUKSpoon Show
    • Q
    • 10
       
    The_Don90 Muck
    • J
    • J
       
    TheUKSpoon Win Straight to the Ace £11.23  £20.98
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    usandthem Small blind  £0.05 £0.05 £3.03
    nickd49931 Big blind  £0.10 £0.15 £24.05
     Your hole cards
    • A
    • A
       
    The_Don90 Raise  £0.30 £0.45 £20.02
    FADAM Fold     
    tony2453 Fold     
    TheUKSpoon Fold     
    usandthem Call  £0.25 £0.70 £2.78
    nickd49931 Call  £0.20 £0.90 £23.85
    Flop
      
    • 5
    • 3
    • 9
       
    usandthem Check     
    nickd49931 Check     
    The_Don90 Bet  £0.60 £1.50 £19.42
    usandthem Fold     
    nickd49931 Call  £0.60 £2.10 £23.25
    Turn
      
    • 8
       
    nickd49931 Check     
    The_Don90 Bet  £1.60 £3.70 £17.82
    nickd49931 Call  £1.60 £5.30 £21.65
    River
      
    • 5
       
    nickd49931 Check     
    The_Don90 Bet  £2.70 £8.00 £15.12
    nickd49931 Raise  £5.50 £13.50 £16.15
    The_Don90 Call  £2.80 £16.30 £12.32
    nickd49931 Show
    • A
    • 5
       
    The_Don90 Muck
    • A
    • A
       
    nickd49931 Win Three 5s £15.07  £31.22
    Bankroll: £178.23

    Points: 1124
  • edited March 2013
    Donald you're good at MTTs!! You can't play two, get some bad beats and give up, you know what MTTs are like, they're bloody horrible.

    As for the cash hands...

    Hand 1 - I hate the shove, you're making it really hard for anyone to call without a SUPER strong hand, so you get called by AA, KK, QQ, maybe AK and JJ unless you know the player is a maniac it's just really bad.

    Hand 2 - Just unlucky

    Hand 3 - Again unlucky, but you're likely beat here on the river. I don't think I can remember a time anyone has ever clicked back a river @ 20NL that hasn't been with a value hand, and there's not much we can hope he has... A9 is thin and he should practically never have an OP.
  • edited March 2013
    Hand 1, agree with Lambert

    At 10nl I think you will be called by AA and KK, thats about it (for the most part, QQ might sometimes). The shove is a 4nl move - where it works, I just dont think you can get away with it vs anybody half competent at 10nl
  • edited March 2013
    Wait please explain, hes 5bet from a 100BB stack hes put in £3.20 with £6 behind surley there is no other play of KK - unless we;re folding? 
  • edited March 2013
    lol hand 1 is completely standard

    hand 2 I bet bigger ott. wp for not going broke, I certainly would. I'd be jamming that all in btn

    hand 3 you just have to call because of the price you're getting so wp
  • edited March 2013
    In Response to Re: Every Don has its day.:
    Hand 1, agree with Lambert At 10nl I think you will be called by AA and KK, thats about it (for the most part, QQ might sometimes). The shove is a 4nl move - where it works, I just dont think you can get away with it vs anybody half competent at 10nl
    Posted by calcalfold
    I guess you'll be joining the tonnes of nit regs at 10nl that refuse to stack off with less then AA pre and a set post. 

    Agree with percival's view on every hand. 



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