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The Story of a Broken Man (£50 or quits!!!)

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  • edited July 2013
    Thanks for the comments. I'm glad to see that you all make the call with the kings too and I'm not a total fool!!

    Finished 9 short of the money in my final BH. One head prize.

    Here is my exit hand.

    Oppo had been a frequent raiser pre and I thought that given my stack size I had a good enough hand to go to war?? If I win this hand then I'm up into the top 10 and almost certainly cashing. Love the flop, can't lose from here surely :(

    It's the way I'm rolling atm. The beats do hurt more when I'm not properly rolled for mtts!!!
    waller02 Small blind  300.00 300.00 7530.00
    mrweeve Big blind  600.00 900.00 3295.00
      Your hole cards
    • J
    • A
         
    Raise  1800.00 2700.00 12345.00
    Pummeller Fold     
    TONYPEPSI Fold     
    waller02 All-in  7530.00 10230.00 0.00
    mrweeve Fold     
    Call  6030.00 16260.00 6315.00
    waller02 Show
    • J
    • A
       
    Show
    • 10
    • 10
       
    Flop
       
    • 2
    • J
    • J
         
    Turn
       
    • 10
         
    River
       
    • 9
         
    Win Full House, 10s and Jacks 16260.00  22575.00
    So I have around a tenner to play with until I go back to 4nl to try and rebuild.

    BR = £39.80
  • edited July 2013
    Don't love that he's UTG and has 3x'd but then if he is always 3x'ing and not minraising some, 3x'ing others then that's a bit irrelevant and think I'm doing exactly what you did. Just unlucky, win the flip and go deep
  • edited July 2013
    In Response to Re: The Story of a Broken Man (£50 or quits!!!):
    Don't love that he's UTG and has 3x'd but then if he is always 3x'ing and not minraising some, 3x'ing others then that's a bit irrelevant and think I'm doing exactly what you did. Just unlucky, win the flip and go deep
    Posted by Lambert180
    Yeah he was always 3xing, also the guy next to me in the big blind was away and this was the second orbit on the trot where oppo had raised in this spot, so the fact he may have been just trying to steal his blind was also a factor in my decision. If I ran into JJ+, AQ or AK then fair play but I had given him a much wider range so quite happy with how I played it. I just need to hit and hold!!
  • edited July 2013
    Kinda feel like the poker gods are playing some cruel joke on me atm lol. Can't get a decent run going at all. Last night I final a deepy, then normal order is resumed again tonight. When will a hand of mine hold at the crucial stage!!!!

    Cash from last night
    waller0206£9.62
    So, the DTD's tonight.....

    DTD 1: Never really got going but hung around to the mid stages and got my chips in with what is normally a decent spot. Not tonight though as I ran into kings with my AK for a pot which would have pushed me up the leaderboard. No complaints though, hands played themselves.

    waller02078
    DTD 2: This one I am annoyed about!! Got off to a good start and was always sitting in the top 10% of the field. Until the hand below......Haven't played much with the oppo and he was fairly new to the table.

    1. Should I just fold to the 3 bet?
    2. His shove looked so much like an AK/AQ hand that had the missed the flop. Urgh is my call very bad?? Just would not expect a hand as strong as that to overbet shove the flop.....or maybe that was oppos thinking when he shoved?? Thoughts/advice please.
    Small blind  150.00 150.00 7420.00
    BitMan Big blind  300.00 450.00 7005.00
      Your hole cards
    • 6
    • 6
         
    stacksy Fold     
    waller02 Raise  700.00 1150.00 10760.00
    mondo1985 Fold     
    Brrrrrrr Fold     
    Raise  1350.00 2500.00 6070.00
    BitMan Fold     
    waller02 Call  800.00 3300.00 9960.00
    Flop
       
    • 9
    • 4
    • 5
         
    All-in  6070.00 9370.00 0.00
    waller02 Call  6070.00 15440.00 3890.00
    xShow
    • Q
    • Q
       
    waller02 Show
    • 6
    • 6
       
    Turn
       
    • 9
         
    River
       
    • 3
         
    Win Two Pairs, Queens and 9s 15440.00  15440.00
    Then same oppo rubs salt into the wound to bust me.......cheers m8 lol
    waller02 Small blind  150.00 150.00 3440.00
    mondo1985 Big blind  300.00 450.00 19017.50
      Your hole cards
    • K
    • K
         
    Brrrrrrr Fold     
    Call  300.00 750.00 14090.00
    BitMan Fold     
    stacksy Call  300.00 1050.00 9820.00
    waller02 All-in  3440.00 4490.00 0.00
    mondo1985 Fold     
    Call  3290.00 7780.00 10800.00
    stacksy Fold     
    waller02 Show
    • K
    • K
       
    Show
    • 5
    • A
       
    Flop
       
    • J
    • 8
    • A
         
    Turn
       
    • 7
         
    River
       
    • 8
         
    Win Two Pairs, Aces and 8s 7780.00  18580.00
    waller020116

    DTD 3: Was always hanging on. Another harsh exit (although I did previously get a fortunate double up so it's swings and roundabouts). I win this hand and I'm up into the cash places in the late stages......sigh!
    waller02 Small blind  300.00 300.00 5057.50
    crago19811 Big blind  600.00 900.00 14393.75
      Your hole cards
    • J
    • J
         
    mike1975 Fold     
    All-in  4810.00 5710.00 0.00
    wynne1938 Fold     
    Llamas Fold     
    waller02 All-in  5057.50 10767.50 0.00
    crago19811 Fold     
    waller02 Unmatched bet  547.50 10220.00 547.50
    waller02 Show
    • J
    • J
       
    Show
    • 9
    • 10
       
    Flop
       
    • 6
    • 10
    • 5
         
    Turn
       
    • 9
         
    River
       
    • K
         
    xWin Two Pairs, 10s and 9s 10220.00  10220.00
    Not loving the pokerz atm :(

    Will probs be having a break for the rest of the week. It's looking like the mtt dream is over although I am tempted to not bother with 4nl if/when I get down to £30 and just go for broke with the mtt's.....very tempted!! Any thoughts? Is this a bad idea??

    BR = £36.42

    Seriously, any advice on the hand or how I should proceed as far as my BR is concerned would be much appreciated. Cheers
  • edited July 2013

    Cash seems quite soft the last week waller.

    Try using that to build your stack back up. I would have a look  at who is playing on the tables, normally i go for a table that has a maximum of one regular on it.

    There has been plenty of choice this week, with loads of randoms sitting at the tables.

    Good luck!

  • edited July 2013

    Think the pre flop call with 66 is marginal. I don't mind a fold as the villain isn't playing a huge stack.

    As played, I think we have to fold the flop. Yes, AK is in his range. But so is 1010-AA which crush us. Suppose his flop shove worked a treat as he convinced you his overbet jam can only be A high.

    Other 2 hands just standard and unfortunate.

    The bankroll issue is tricky. It's possible to spin it up at the 4nl tables but it could be a long process and with only 7 1/2 buy ins (£30) we don't have much margin for error. But equally we could use that £30 over X amount of tournies, do next to nothing wrong in them all and still not see a return.

  • edited July 2013
    Got to fold the 66s on the flop mate.  Youre beating a stone cold bluff and people are rarely betting twice the pot as a bluff.

    RE bankroll - you should ignore any BR advice I give you as Im TERRIBLE at keeping a BR.  All I will say is that you should use the £30 for a form of poker you enjoy.  I find that once pressure is off and your enjoying poker and not worrying about the money it becomes a whole lot easier.  If you enjoy MTTs play MTTs and vice versa if you prefer cash.
  • edited July 2013
    Ty for your advice on the 66. Yeah looking back I agree it should be a fold.

    Well, I am at the stage where my br has creeped below the £30 mark and it is decision time!!! I would love to play soley mtts but the variance is battering me....hand below sums up how I am running
    waller02 Small blind  40.00 40.00 2855.00
    gamegbe97 Big blind  80.00 120.00 6150.00
      Your hole cards
    • Q
    • Q
         
    zxghostxz Fold     
    merc1 Fold     
    Funky17 Fold     
    dontbluff7 Fold     
    waller02 Raise  160.00 280.00 2695.00
    gamegbe97 Raise  480.00 760.00 5670.00
    waller02 All-in  2695.00 3455.00 0.00
    gamegbe97 Call  2335.00 5790.00 3335.00
    waller02 Show
    • Q
    • Q
       
    gamegbe97 Show
    • 6
    • 6
       
    Flop
       
    • 7
    • Q
    • 2
         
    Turn
       
    • 8
         
    River
       
    • 3
         
    gamegbe97 Win Flush to the 8 5790.00  9125.00
    I am on the receiving end of beats like these time and time again and my br cannot handle it!!

    So I am going to try the 4nl tables again, but will still be playing the odd mtt too (just a lot less of them).

    Will play the £500 BH and the orfordable tonight alongside the cash tables. I'm not feeling confident at all.........which is half the battle!!

    BR = £28.60.......busto is looking very likely!!!
  • edited July 2013
    EDIT: I'm not playing cash........ever!! lol

    9 Jul '13 at 16:47PokerNailsea£-4.55£0.00Poker AIR clientHand History19 Jul '13 at 16:43PokerHorsham£-0.46£0.00Poker AIR clientHand History19 Jul '13 at 16:42PokerBelton£-6.95£0.00Poker AIR clientHand History
    I have had KK,QQ and flopped sets in the past hour and lost the lot.

    I enjoy playing mtts so I may as well go for broke at least playing something I enjoy rather than sitting on 4nl tables getting wound up by people who can't fold but then go on to hit their miracle cards!!!

    BR= £16.64

    Critical!!!! Plan is to reg for £250BH at 6, Orfordable and the £500BH......gonna gamble on some dyms too. If I go broke then diary is over and I intend to have a considerable break from the game.
  • edited July 2013
    Have reg for those tourneys and have 8 quid odd left.....gonna play 2 £3.30 DYMs now. The way I'm feeling about poker atm I wont be particularly bothered if I go broke tonight!
  • edited July 2013
    Quick update......

    Had fallen down to £8 but have been playing £3 DYMs and thankfully pulled a bit back. Still feel like I could go broke any day. Will be playing the DTD tomorrow and really need to cash in one of them.

    Just had a small cash from a £250 BH

    waller02013£2.41 + £3.09 Head Prizes2
    BR = £19.24........hanging on by a thread
  • edited July 2013
    Keep plugging away mate.
    I know you find them boring in general but if you want to chat Dyms anytime, let me know 
  • edited July 2013
    Hey Waller,

    When you asked before about what games to play Gazza gave the best answer, he was spot on when he said play the games you enjoy.

    It seems you are a MTT player, thats what you enjoy the most and done really well at before.

    Might be an idea to redeposit to give yourself a good start, maybe make your account up to £100. And just stick to playing what you like the most / are best at.

    The reason i'm saying that is as is, you will not play the games you want to play, you will be restricted by your bankroll and when it gets low you will try and gamble, to get 10 quid up to a decent higher amount. Having a decent amount in your account will help your confidence no end and give you far greater choice.

    You can also let me know how to play MTTs along the way! lol

    Good luck
  • edited July 2013
    In Response to Re: The Story of a Broken Man (£50 or quits!!!):
    Keep plugging away mate. I know you find them boring in general but if you want to chat Dyms anytime, let me know 
    Posted by Jac35
    Ty Jac. Had a bit of a boost to the br from tonights dtds. Could have been more still not sure about my exit hand....will post it on my update.
  • edited July 2013
    In Response to Re: The Story of a Broken Man (£50 or quits!!!):
    Hey Waller, When you asked before about what games to play Gazza gave the best answer, he was spot on when he said play the games you enjoy. It seems you are a MTT player, thats what you enjoy the most and done really well at before. Might be an idea to redeposit to give yourself a good start, maybe make your account up to £100. And just stick to playing what you like the most / are best at. The reason i'm saying that is as is, you will not play the games you want to play, you will be restricted by your bankroll and when it gets low you will try and gamble, to get 10 quid up to a decent higher amount. Having a decent amount in your account will help your confidence no end and give you far greater choice. You can also let me know how to play MTTs along the way! lol Good luck
    Posted by LARSON7
    Yeah I should really stick £100 on but:

    1. I'm not really in a position to do that as I changed jobs 18mnths ago (basically I'm an apprentice for another 6 mnths........so not on the good money yet and have mouths to feed etc.)

    2. I'm not confident that I wouldn't just blow it lol
  • edited July 2013
    Tonights update........played the DTD's and had a reasonable night.

    DTD 1.

    Finished 5 off the money. I had around 16bb and got it in pre with AK<KK. They say play for the win but sometimes I wish I never got that hand and scraped in a min cash as I need it!! haha......nah no complaints!

    waller02023
    DTD 2.

    Lost a big chunk of my stack blind v blind. A10 v A8 on a A77Q8 board :(........a bit later my old foe cenachav min raises in the CO and I have AQ in the BB and a 20bb stack. I think "hey it's cena, he aint got much" and shove. He calls with JJ and holds. gg :)

    waller020122
    DTD 3.

    I make the ft but I'm very short (in fact we are all very short apart from the massive chip leader who I clash with in the very first hand)

    Here is the hand........right to go for broke here? I figure oppo has any 2 and I won't be in too bad shape. Still not too sure though. I am the shorty on the table, but not by much.
    diamond81 Small blind  1500.00 1500.00 188635.29
    waller02 Big blind  3000.00 4500.00 19610.00
      Your hole cards
    • J
    • 10
         
    stollen Fold     
    stokefc Fold     
    sick_swans Fold     
    lee100 Fold     
    diamond81 Raise  6000.00 10500.00 182635.29
    waller02 All-in  19610.00 30110.00 0.00
    diamond81 Call  15110.00 45220.00 167525.29
    diamond81 Show
    • Q
    • 6
       
    waller02 Show
    • J
    • 10
       
    Flop
       
    • 2
    • 9
    • K
         
    Turn
       
    • 7
         
    River
       
    • 9
         
    diamond81 Win Pair of 9s 45220.00  212745.29
    Anyway a cash is a cash!

    waller0206£15.89

    BR = £29.63
  • edited July 2013

    Nice 1 3 x on your money!

    The start of something, i'm sure:D

    You are mainly an MTT player, just wondering do you think most decent MTT players are quite tight?

    Anytime i play the monday night game there always seems to be a few good players at my table and they are seldome involved in hands. Most seem to be pretty much Tight aggressive.

    Do you think that's the best strat for MTTs.

    And out of interest, how do you find cash when it is mostly MTT's you have been used to playing?

    I've just realised recently that the 2 formats are totally different. I knew they were different, bt i mean significantly different as to what you should be doing and when.

  • edited July 2013
    Nice cash in the DTD - Keep it going 

    I say it all the time but BRM is the key and you seem to have that under control. (small steps and all that)

    GL m8
  • edited July 2013
    Sorry about that one mate.  Come and see me at the bar at the DTD and I may just buy you a pint :).  Loving the diary and gl at the tables :)
  • edited July 2013
    In Response to Re: The Story of a Broken Man (£50 or quits!!!):
    Nice 1 3 x on your money! The start of something, i'm sure:D You are mainly an MTT player, just wondering do you think most decent MTT players are quite tight? Anytime i play the monday night game there always seems to be a few good players at my table and they are seldome involved in hands. Most seem to be pretty much Tight aggressive. Do you think that's the best strat for MTTs. And out of interest, how do you find cash when it is mostly MTT's you have been used to playing? I've just realised recently that the 2 formats are totally different. I knew they were different, bt i mean significantly different as to what you should be doing and when.
    Posted by LARSON7
    There are far far better mtt players on here to ask but I will give my opinion anyway.

    Generally I play tight aggressive but the main factor for me is how the table I am on is playing. I Always try to play the opposite style to the majority of the table. If the table is full of loose stations then there is little point in getting involved with marginal hands. If the table is tight then you can widen your range and try to steal a few pots.

    Aggressive players are better mtt players imo but it can be difficult to find the right balance between being aggro and spewy.........something I struggle with when I try to change my game, therefore I stick to tight aggressive with the occasional poor call!!!!

    The mtts on sky are so soft that you can regularly cash by playing solid abc poker. However if you want to consistently make final tables or be successful against tougher fields on a regular basis then you need to have a more aggro style (something I haven't got)...........all IMO............could be a load of bull!!!

    If you want serious mtt advice then ask the likes of mattbates, tommyd, wacko90 etc...........they crush, I don't.

    As for cash, yeah totally different beast. Have yet to figure it out lol
  • edited July 2013
    In Response to Re: The Story of a Broken Man (£50 or quits!!!):
    Nice cash in the DTD - Keep it going  I say it all the time but BRM is the key and you seem to have that under control. (small steps and all that) GL m8
    Posted by MP33
    I have brm under control as much as I can with such a measly roll. Having 10-20BI for mtts is bad but I have no choice really.

    Would like there to be more £1 freezeouts on sky.....maybe one day!
  • edited July 2013
    In Response to Re: The Story of a Broken Man (£50 or quits!!!):
    Sorry about that one mate.  Come and see me at the bar at the DTD and I may just buy you a pint :).  Loving the diary and gl at the tables :)
    Posted by cenachav
    You will have to buy me a pint in Newcastle instead if you are going. I'm not going to Notts anymore as I can't make it due to family commitments......kids eh!!

    I enjoyed our tables last night......I'll get you next time........NEXT TIME!!!!!
  • edited July 2013
    Sigh. Sitting 8/13 in the 7.15 deepy, 11 cash. Had been hanging on for ages but could start to feel the momentum building.....then I get this hand.

    I was sure whether to min raise or just shove. If I had min raised the action would have prob been a shove and a call before it gets back round to me and I can maybe find the fold. Just being results orientated I guess. Was I right to shove??? Annoyingly the bubble burst the very next hand!
    profman15 Small blind  400.00 400.00 6250.00
    59 Big blind  800.00 1200.00 51136.50
      Your hole cards
    • K
    • A
         
    waller02 All-in  12630.00 13830.00 0.00
    UncTupelo Call  12630.00 26460.00 3632.50
    profman15 Fold     
    59 Call  11830.00 38290.00 39306.50
    Flop
       
    • 3
    • 8
    • 10
         
    59 Check     
    UncTupelo All-in  3632.50 41922.50 0.00
    59 Call  3632.50 45555.00 35674.00
    59 Show
    • J
    • J
       
    waller02 Show
    • K
    • A
       
    UncTupelo Show
    • 10
    • 10
       
    Turn
       
    • 7
         
    River
       
    • 6
         
    UncTupelo Win Three 10s 45555.00  45555.00
    Played the £500 BH and got down to the last 50 before getting it in with KQ<AK.....1 head for 94p.

    Grrr still annoyed by the deepy hand lol

    Still left in the £1 deepy, currently 19/35........last chance. Oh, and I played the new £1 mtt where the blinds go up and down (can't remember the name!!), didn't cash but quite enjoyed it.

    BR update when I bust/win the deepy :)
  • edited July 2013
    Busted the other deepy 4 off the money!!! 2 killer hands AK<A9 then KQ<KJ.....how do I lose them both :(

    The standard in that £1 deepy was nothing short of shocking......limp limp limp and the blinds were huge. I picked my spot and got my chips in as a big fav but it wasn't to be.

    This hand below cheered me up though..........like I said shocking! This hand was just after the KQ<KJ hand. I obv meant to shove but misclicked........how on this earth can they fold for 12 chips lol
    C1derb0y31 Small blind  500.00 500.00 9215.04
    waller02 Big blind  1000.00 1500.00 1012.44
      Your hole cards
    • 7
    • 10
         
    laurelCall  1000.00 2500.00 54342.50
    SPROOG_MOO Fold     
    hardyCall  1000.00 3500.00 7987.48
    council005 Fold     
    C1derb0y31 Fold     
    waller02 Raise  1000.00 4500.00 12.44
    laurel Call  1000.00 5500.00 53342.50
    hardy Call  1000.00 6500.00 6987.48
    Flop
       
    • 3
    • 6
    • 7
         
    waller02 All-in  12.44 6512.44 0.00
    laurel Fold     
    hardy Fold     
    waller02 Muck     
    waller02 Win  6500.00  6500.00
    waller02 Return  12.44 0.00 6512.44
    Happy with how I played tonight, things just didn't go my way when they needed to.

    BR = £23.87
  • edited July 2013
    not sure if iv'e said gl but gl u be back over 50 in no time very good br for dropping down i would hit 20nl if i hit sub 30 lol 

    all the best 
  • edited July 2013
    In Response to Re: The Story of a Broken Man (£50 or quits!!!):
    not sure if iv'e said gl but gl u be back over 50 in no time very good br for dropping down i would hit 20nl if i hit sub 30 lol  all the best 
    Posted by D_Legend
    Ty for the gl wishes.......they didn't work lol

    On the receiving end of some nasty ones tonight but I would rather be getting my chips in the middle as a big fav because at least I am making the correct plays and hopefully my luck should change.

    Played 6 mtts tonight (one freeroll) and cashed in 2...but they were only min cashes. I can't hold in the late stages atm.

    Finshed 5 off the money in the £1.10 deepy. Got my chips in with JJ and lost to A2....tbf though I only had 5bb after losing a badly played hand a couple of orbits before. Can't complain.

    Small cash in the £500 freeroll - waller02861082£2.16
    It's the £500 BH that hurt me the most tonight. Played well as we approached the cash, made one mistake when I lost with top pair v trips (blind v blind). Creeped into the money only to lose AA<K2 :( ouch!
    waller02030£2.03 + £2.86 Head Prizes3 
    I played another £3 DYM as well tonight. Got down to the last 4, took a hit and couldn't recover. Hand is below, I'm pretty sure this is the correct play but I have thought that before only to be told I was wrong by the DYM specialists. Correct here???

    supeercon Small blind  100.00 100.00 1070.00 waller02 Big blind  200.00 300.00 2200.00   Your hole cards 10 10       4tune8 Fold     murphy2222 Fold     supeercon Call  100.00 400.00 970.00 waller02 All-in  2200.00 2600.00 0.00 supeercon All-in  970.00 3570.00 0.00 waller02 Unmatched bet  1230.00 2340.00 1230.00 supeercon Show A 6    waller02 Show 10 10    Flop    2 9 5       Turn    A       River    4       supeercon Win Pair of Aces 2340.00  2340.00
    Anyway, a frustrating night tonight. Will have to try some more DYMs tomorrow, £3 is risky but like I said, the rake is lower.

    BR = £17.67
  • edited July 2013
    I am baffled, did you start with about £10 in May, and now have £17?
  • edited July 2013
    In Response to Re: The Story of a Broken Man (£50 or quits!!!):
    I am baffled, did you start with about £10 in May, and now have £17?
    Posted by calcalfold
    Is that a genuine question or are u kicking a man while his down?

    Don't worry Waller, if it enjoying th e game and putting effort in things will improve. Just keep getting it money in good that's all u can do. Hope things turn around for u mate, best of luck   
  • edited July 2013
    In Response to Re: The Story of a Broken Man (£50 or quits!!!):
    I am baffled, did you start with about £10 in May, and now have £17?
    Posted by calcalfold[/QUOTE

    The clue is in the title. I'm just playing mtts atm and I'm sure you realise they are a high variance game. What is it that baffles you?
  • edited July 2013
    In Response to Re: The Story of a Broken Man (£50 or quits!!!):
    In Response to Re: The Story of a Broken Man (£50 or quits!!!) : Is that a genuine question or are u kicking a man while his down? Don't worry Waller, if it enjoying th e game and putting effort in things will improve. Just keep getting it money in good that's all u can do. Hope things turn around for u mate, best of luck   
    Posted by robbie1992
    I think he is doing this. I ain't worried though, I play mtts because I enjoy them. If somebody wants to have a dig at me then that's fine......I'm a big boy
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