Ivano's TSP binkage variance galore

F_Ivanovic

Some people actually believe they have a system to win in casino games, which is the most laughable thing. I used to be mates with someone who was reasonably clever in most ways but they actually believed they could win at online slot machines with a system they had. One night they spun up to £5k from about £200 - but then a few hours later and he'd lost everything! Ironically he had "targets for 2011" on his wall and one of his targets was to make/save £5000. 

Not updated for a while and it's mostly because I just haven't played at all over the festive period! Gave myself a week off because I knew I wasn't going to make priority anyway and just didn't feel up to grinding this week. Played a bit yesterday though and have played a bit more tonight. Yesterday went up and then down. Lost £150 playing omaha and decided to quit for the day. Half an hour later though I was back on the tables. Won a nice £170 pot when I flopped middle set and a flush draw and got it in vs bottom set + top 2. Both drawing thinly to 2/3 outs between them and I held. Ended up about even.

Today I started off badly as well losing 2-3 buyins playing 20PLO and a BI playing 40NLH. However I made 2 BI at 40NLH and 6 at 20PLO and finished around £100 up in the end. Then tonight had another session and finished another £70 up. Won 2 BI's at NL40 and almost a BI at 50PLO but then encountered a cooler at NLH. Got it in with AA vs KK and the kings hit a set OTT.

3 days till the end of the 2013 and I probably won't achieve my target of being a 100NL reg. But I'm more than happy with my results this year and don't think there's any need to rush becoming a 100NL reg. I'm comfortable with the stakes I'm playing atm and making enough money at these stakes to rush into taking a shot at 100NL!

F_Ivanovic

Will start off this post by saying Happy new year too everyone!

Spent NYE round a mate's house who I'd not seen in a while.. was originally going to be a few of us meeting up but ended up just him and me so we played a lot of FIFA and some Survival on MW3! Didn't drink as much as I'd planned because his housemate's friend accidentally took my bag of alcohol to another house party so I was stuck with just having some drinks that my mate had. I was going to attempt to enter the TRUTHORBLUFF comp but couldn't think of a single good idea.

Woke up today really tired after not having much sleep and really wanted to grind today to make some headway on this PS4 promo. But then Alicia came round because it was her last day before going back to work. Watched Spurs beat United which was fun despite a nailbiting last few minutes.

I still managed to get some poker in (2 short sessions in the daytime and one slightly longer one tonight) and won a nice £200. Only 250 odd poker points though. I've been reading the Mental game of poker which I decided to buy over Christmas (had some Christmas money to spend) but despite advice in the book to not play when tired/right frame of mind, that's exactly what I did! Sometimes you just have to play even though you know you're not going to be on your A game so long as it's good enough to still be +ev. 

Anyway, going to head off to bed now get an early (ish) night and the grind starts tomorrow! 

F_Ivanovic

ugh first day of serious volume and it's been the worst downswing I've had since I began this diary. -£650 (clawed back from almost -£900) Ran unbelievably bad. Made a couple of questionable plays including a 5bet jam with JTo in cash (ran into AK and didn't suck out) but didn't really tilt too badly. 

Consolation is I've already picked up 1000 points today and if I carry on like this I should have a PS4 locked up! Estimate I can get 20k-30k points providing I don't have to drop down from 50NL. If my BR goes below £3500 though I may have to consider that

foldUfairy

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ugh first day of serious volume and it's been the worst downswing I've had since I began this diary. -£650 (clawed back from almost -£900) Ran unbelievably bad. Made a couple of questionable plays including a 5bet jam with JTo in cash (ran into AK and didn't suck out) but didn't really tilt too badly.  Consolation is I've already picked up 1000 points today and if I carry on like this I should have a PS4 locked up! Estimate I can get 20k-30k points providing I don't have to drop down from 50NL. If my BR goes below £3500 though I may have to consider that
Posted by F_Ivanovic

Never a nice start to the month but sure you will pull it back pretty fast.

Just a quick question Ivan, how many hrs/tables did you play today to make 1000 points?

F_Ivanovic

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In Response to Re: F_Ivanovic 20nl to 100nl Q+A welcome : Never a nice start to the month but sure you will pull it back pretty fast. Just a quick question Ivan, how many hrs/tables did you play today to make 1000 points?
Posted by foldUfairy

thanks, yeah hopefully i can! Going OKish tonight so far went out deepstack first hand, didn't get going in main but the 9oclock BH I'm 4th/34 atm and cash is going slightly better too. 

I was playing 4 tables of 50NL and probably played for 6/7 hours today with about 1300 points gained.

F_Ivanovic

BOOOM!!! What a day. Just taken down the £55 BH for £1157 total. Final hand was a beauty. Won't let me post HH here but it was AK (me) vs AQ all in pre. Flop was AKK and I was already celebrating before the turn came the case ace. But then the river gives me the case K for quads!! Last few times I've reached HU I've ended up losing it and this time I didn't expect too much - I was a 3:1 chip dog but clawed it back to even with some really good HU play.

Tournament started off really well with a double up in the first hand when I had 99 and flopped a set against aces. I kept up the pace for a bit but then tailed off. Then I got a much needed double up with kings to bring me to the top of the leaderboard again. A few more won hands and I was sitting on 40k chips. But then I got it in with K7 on 778 against J9 and the river spiked a T. I was still plenty healthy but I kept on losing pot after pot that I entered and found myself hovering around 15k and near the bottom.  Found another double up though and then came an interesting hand where I bluff-raised the flop with JThh. Picked up a flush draw OTT and bet again and was called. River I was left with 13k and the pot was about 23k. Decided to shove and got it through. From then on it was relatively straight sailing to the final table.

Was so drained by the time it got to 4/5 handed after having played 10+ hours of poker today. I robbed an energy drink off my brother tho and that helped me through till the end!

So from -£900 down today I've finished £500 up and have gone past £5k at last. Aim for January is to reach £10k. Tough ask but I'm planning on putting in some sick volume this month. Current points total is about 1750. Will probably play a bit less tomorrow and spending Saturday with Alicia but then from Sunday-Friday going to be grinding every day. Might consider making the £55 BH a regular. Only played it once before today, and the last time I think I won my money back.

benc

Nice bink well played and well done on hitting the 5k mark good luck with the grind in January,

Donttelmum

Congrats!

Diminuendo

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BOOOM!!! What a day. Just taken down the £55 BH for £1157 total. Final hand was a beauty. Won't let me post HH here but it was AK (me) vs AQ all in pre. Flop was AKK and I was already celebrating before the turn came the case ace. But then the river gives me the case K for quads!! Last few times I've reached HU I've ended up losing it and this time I didn't expect too much - I was a 3:1 chip dog but clawed it back to even with some really good HU play. Tournament started off really well with a double up in the first hand when I had 99 and flopped a set against aces. I kept up the pace for a bit but then tailed off. Then I got a much needed double up with kings to bring me to the top of the leaderboard again. A few more won hands and I was sitting on 40k chips. But then I got it in with K7 on 778 against J9 and the river spiked a T. I was still plenty healthy but I kept on losing pot after pot that I entered and found myself hovering around 15k and near the bottom.  Found another double up though and then came an interesting hand where I bluff-raised the flop with JThh. Picked up a flush draw OTT and bet again and was called. River I was left with 13k and the pot was about 23k. Decided to shove and got it through. From then on it was relatively straight sailing to the final table. Was so drained by the time it got to 4/5 handed after having played 10+ hours of poker today. I robbed an energy drink off my brother tho and that helped me through till the end! So from -£900 down today I've finished £500 up and have gone past £5k at last. Aim for January is to reach £10k. Tough ask but I'm planning on putting in some sick volume this month. Current points total is about 1750. Will probably play a bit less tomorrow and spending Saturday with Alicia but then from Sunday-Friday going to be grinding every day. Might consider making the £55 BH a regular. Only played it once before today, and the last time I think I won my money back.
Posted by F_Ivanovic

VWD mate

And well deserved imo

I read your updates quite alot but never post very often on your thread

Your a very good player and it was only ever a matter of time before you won one of these, as for making the 55bh a reg thing i think you should def do this cos the deeper starting stack suits cash players like yourself down to the ground

WD again

Kev

foldUfairy

Told you ud pull it back fast ha.

Well done m8

calcalfold

Fair play £5000 in one month would be mighty impressive.

I have a Q for you.

If executed well, in your opinion, what style out of the following would be most successful at microstates (and why)

1 TAG
2 LAG
3 Small ball
4 Shortstacking

F_Ivanovic

Cheers all!

Haven't played as much today as I planned. Woke up late and then tried to prepare better for my session today to prevent what happend yesterday from happening again. Went on a walk with the dog, got some food and set up downstairs at the table as opposed to playing in my bed (which is what I did all day yesterday)

However, I sat down at about 2 and played for a couple of hours and just couldn't find any good rhythm going. I lost 2-3 BI's early on in the first hour - some of it bad play and some of it just a bit unlucky. Made back a BI and a bit tho and only finished about £60 down when I decided I better stop and make some tea. It was as though I was playing somewhat scared as well - didn't play my usually LAG style because I was worried what happened yesterday would happen again. 

Going to read more of the Mental game of poker this afternoon and will probably play a for a bit later on this evening! I think yesterdays long session just took a lot out of me!

F_Ivanovic

Apologies for the lack of updates but the past few days have been utter abysmal. 3/4 losing days straight. I can't remember the last time that's ever happened but it was equivalent to £150ish or so per day meaning my starting roll for the day was £4550ish after being up to £5k after that tournament win.

I've definitely not played my A game and have been pretty shocking at times. Lady luck hasn't been too kind either. I entered both Primo and the Sunday Roller this weekend aswell as another £55 BH. Didn't play particularly well in any of them. Closest I got to a cash was in the Sunday roller where I finished 28th (23 paid) - But I just felt like I drifted through the tournament and was never really fully focused. 

Today has been better however. First session this evening was from 7-11. Started off badly where I went a few BI's down but gradually managed to pull back to a slight profit. I played reasonably well in NLH and in the couple of omaha tables I had going I played really well and didn't really do too much wrong. Second session was 12.30-3.30ish. Again I got off to a bad start - bluffed off £60ish when I raised the turn with an OE + FD in NLH and barreled river but got called by an overpair. Then I played a pot in omaha that was HUGELY tilting.

I called pf with QJJ7ds and flop was Q92. 3 way and the original raiser pots it. I call. Turn is a blank (4 or something giving a FD) He pots again and I flat again. River is an A and he pots all in. I make a hero call only to see villain has AK55! Complete air ball on flop/turn but he hit a river ace. I should have just shoved turn but I had him on a complete air ball all along and thought I could get him to bluff shove river but with how much closer equities run in omaha I should have just protected my equity OTT.

After a bad start though I pulled it back and finished a nice £300 in profit. 

Points are coming along nicely again after not playing too much over the weekend. Still in the top 10 but I want to push on get in a safe position because I can see some people entering the code late maybe or just having a late surge!

F_Ivanovic

Wow, been a whole month since I've posted here. My late new years resolution is going to be to remember to update this at least once per week!!

So January/start of februrary hasn't been the best of months for me. I definitely feel a lot more down in the first few months of a year. I know this is the same with a lot of people, but when your suffering from depression as well it can be hard sometimes. It probably hasn't been bad as previous years when I've had Uni stuff to worry about (lots of assignments around this time) but towards the latter half of January it meant that I didn't feel up to playing much poker and as such my good start in the PS4 promo went to waste. Thankfully I was able to do enough to get into the PS4 freeroll,but would have been nice to win one outright.

Taken a 'big' step in my relationship this past month as I've moved in with Alicia. So far, so good! Although she still hasn't moved all of her stuff in yet properly.

Poker wise this past month I haven't really made too much money at all. I was £4500 at the start of January and had that horrible start to the day where I lost nearly £900 but then took down the £55 BH and made some money back in cash to finish on £5k. I've taken out £300 recently and am currently on £4900. So since the 2nd of January I'm barely up by £200, which considering I've averaged at least £1k a month since I've started playing again isn't much of a great month. I have had some horrific days of runbad though where everything has gone against me!! 

Tonight's been a mixed bag - lost 2BI's playing cash. Busted out in the main early on and the mini-not long after. Mini was a really bad exit from me. Ended up calling a 4x UTG because I wasn't payng attention with 57s (i thought it was a min-open) and then called a flop with TP + gutshot and decided that villain's range for 4x UTG consisted mainly of AK/AQ hands so got it in when he bet on a blank turn. Plus side is that the first time I've played the £22 deepstack in a month or so I managed to take it down!

F_Ivanovic

Boom! Took down a PS4 in the freeroll. Had an absolute dream table move - was sat on about 3k with the blinds at 400/800 and BB next hand. 9 left with 6 getting a PS4. Got moved table, still in BB and had T2 but it folded round to me. The table I got moved to had all the big stacks which in a satellite is fantastic (so long as they know what they're doing) because they needn't risk any of chips. On the other table most of the stacks were similar with most needing to gamble so fold equity from a shove is much smaller.

I shoved about 5/6 times in 9 hands and found myself with 10k in 2nd place. Time to sit back again - and not too long after before 2 players bust on the other table. I found myself back in 6th but it was all v close. A short stack began to emerge on the other table and I picked up the blinds with K9s and found myself comfortable again. Didn't take long before SS shoved Q9 into AA and that was that!

Donttelmum

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Boom! Took down a PS4 in the freeroll. Had an absolute dream table move - was sat on about 3k with the blinds at 400/800 and BB next hand. 9 left with 6 getting a PS4. Got moved table, still in BB and had T2 but it folded round to me. The table I got moved to had all the big stacks which in a satellite is fantastic (so long as they know what they're doing) because they needn't risk any of chips. On the other table most of the stacks were similar with most needing to gamble so fold equity from a shove is much smaller. I shoved about 5/6 times in 9 hands and found myself with 10k in 2nd place. Time to sit back again - and not too long after before 2 players bust on the other table. I found myself back in 6th but it was all v close. A short stack began to emerge on the other table and I picked up the blinds with K9s and found myself comfortable again. Didn't take long before SS shoved Q9 into AA and that was that!
Posted by F_Ivanovic

Congrats Ivan.  Beats grinding 12 hours a day to get one.  Why not donate it to IDCU?

Who all won one?  Can you post the final result for me.  Cheers.

splashies

wp Ivan.

Here u go dtm....

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splashies

The winners get 2 ps4's each!!!!!! ^^^

Donttelmum

ty splash.  Money goes to money!

Jac35

Wp Ivan 

My big blind was very easy for you early on

Think I may have made a bad fold in a hand v you fairly early on. You bet 400 on turn, setting up the river shove.

Was watching your table as well,obviously, and thought you played the short stack really well.

F_Ivanovic

WP too mate! Took me a while to pick up some playable hands OTB early on, then I picked up a few. When you made your first 3b vs me I thought you might have been light and I had A8o so I was tempted but thought I'd give you the benefit of doubt and fold. Nah, was a good fold. Had AK, hit the K ott. No flush draw tho, so if you had one it was live.

Had that 44 when I flopped a set and got shipped on OTF but other than that and the AK hand I don't recall playing a hand past the flop! Was a quick structure, but I still enjoyed it (even more obv for winning one!!)

F_Ivanovic

Just had a worrying moment before, not been able to get hold of Alicia and her mum text me asking her if I'd heard from her. Last I heard she was out shopping but I didn't even know where. I was still in the £22 deepstack at the time and doing Ok. But I couldn't focus on the tournament whilst wondering where she was so I just ended up going all in every hand. Eventually I got bust by DivsDreams who called with 77 vs my K7. Then not even a minute later I finally heard from her!! Phew. Just wish it had been 5 minutes sooner and I might still be in lol. 

Only £22 at the end of the day. Omaha Cash has been OK tonight, made 2/3 BI's and back over £5k after I'd withdrawn a fair bit. I don't feel like I've played my A game for a while though in cash poker. Missing out on value in some spots I'd usually be value betting. Need to work out what's going wrong really and do something to fix it!

F_Ivanovic

Currently 4th/28 players left in both the primo and the £55 BH! What are the odds of that haha. Edit. Now 2nd/25 in one and 2nd/27 in the other. prob won't amount to much tho!

F_Ivanovic

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Currently 4th/28 players left in both the primo and the £55 BH! What are the odds of that haha. Edit. Now 2nd/25 in one and 2nd/27 in the other. prob won't amount to much tho!
Posted by F_Ivanovic

So 2 weeks ago I was correct and it didn't amount to much. Finished about 11th or thereabouts in both of them from what I recall and a + £500 profit got me out of my £350ish hole in cash that day. Februrary has been really poor in terms of volume. I was away on a lads/pool holiday to G. Yarmouth for 5 days which meant there wasn't much point in me trying that promo. After that I've only played a few nights a week and barely during the day. Mostly playing 1/2 tournaments and some omaha cash (very little holdem)

Anyway, tonight I was planning on spending some time with the family as my brother was coming home from Uni. But he rang up to say he wouldn't be back until 11ish at night because of some landslide meant the trains were delayed. So there wasn't much point in me staying - headed back home and didn't feel too much like playing any poker but Alicia was supposed to be going to a friends so thought I may aswell (she ended up falling asleep instead!!) - I also opened 1 omaha table. 

Primo started off OK played pretty aggressive and then got a double up to leave me near the top of the field early doors. Omaha also went well and within 40 mins I'd made the BI for the primo in omaha and decided to leave it at that as I was beginning to feel really sleepy! I ended up falling behind in the Primo through just blinding down and not really getting involved. Started to get active again tho and was on about 13k when this hand happened: Raised it with JJ and a shorty shipped on me. Then the BB with about 10k reshipped. Now the BB had been pretty active - he shoved with J6s a few hands ago to double up and then had shoved again since. I maybe should have thought a bit longer about my decision but decided to snap call it. I was up against QQ and KK (big stack) - oops.

Do you know when you get them feelings sometimes when you are ahead that you know you'll be outdrawn? I had the opposite feeling then and was certain I was going to hit a J. Flop/turn was 888x and then whaddaya know - J on the river!

From then on I just gradually built my stack up without getting too involved in anything. Got to 7 players left (I was 2nd in chips) and we were the table with 3 on! Now, usually I love short-handed but I find it hard to get the balance right in this situation because on the one hand I want to be aggressive but not too aggressive that I could go out a bit too early when I could easily get some pay jumps. I got 3bet a couple times by this player to my left and then I picked up JJ. I raised to 6k, he 3bet to 15k. I decided to 4bet to 28k to induce a shove because I think he might be light - but he goes 48k or something with still 25k behind! Looks a bit scarily strong but can't fold JJ 3 handed. Got me this far. He has AT and I manage to hold to reach final table.

Then I don't really know what happened but I just completely annhiliated the final table. I began with 150k chips with someone else on 170k and the rest somewhere between 30k and 100k. Did a fair amount of blind stealing but more importantly I got it in with the 2 shortest stacks and knocked both of them out. Then I made a big dent in the bigger stack and another player and I found myself with 500k with everyone else on 50k 4 handed. JJ busted TT (2 others going to war) then my JJ held against 66 to take it HU before my AQ held against A6. So about 5 all ins on the final table and I held on every one! 

Now I just need to switch off and go to sleep. Got county pool trials in the morning and I can't play pool if I'm shattered!! never ends well lol.

Jac35

Good work Ivan, great start to the month.

Thread title change imminent?

F_Ivanovic

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Good work Ivan, great start to the month. Thread title change imminent?
Posted by Jac35

Forgot to reply to this. Still playing 50NL for now. I think when I reach 100BI's I'll step up to 100NL but quite happy sticking with a nitty BR for now!

Anyway, to anyone that reads this thread I need your help for a nickname. It's for a back of my county pool shirt and so something poker related would be cool!

F_Ivanovic

So finally I have achieved a roll of 100BI's for 100NL (although I might pop below that as I need to withdraw some money!) 

Yesterday daytime I had our first county pool match of the season and for the first time ever I won man of the match for our team after winning all 4/4 games. Played really well for once and it's so much easier to find form if you get to play every match. County pool is 4 sets of 9, so we play 36 games total with any 1 player only able to play once in each leg of 9. For the past couple of seasons I've struggled because luck hasn't gone my way in the first game and if you lose the first game you often only get 1 more game at most. So then the pressure is on to actually make it count and get a win.

Got back around half 6 and thought to myself it's been a long time since I've played the roller and with me playing well at pool I felt pretty confident. Started off a bit slow but eventually got a double up. Around 70 players left I had a pretty nice stack of 60k but then things started to go wrong as my stack just dwindled - just nothing really went for me as I always seemd to run into hands. Ended up as low as 24k or thereabouts and sat in the BTN with AJ when it's opened before me. I decided I had to shove and get snapped by QQ and then AK. There's me out - I thought. Until it came JJx on the flop. Then had an other outrageous bit of luck when I was all in with 50k (behind again, but in a cooler situation) and hit the river. Lightning doesn't strike 3 times? Well it did. Had another cooler hand with AQs in the BB against BTN's AK. Flop was Axx and it all went in on the turn with me behind - but hit a Q OTR!

Got to the final table as a medium stack but then found myself the shortest with 5 left with blinds at 6/12k. Had about 170k and was the BB with QTo and BTN opened, SB flat. Probably could and should fold here as BTN hadn't been that active but ended up shoving into his AA. Flopped a gutshot, turned an open ender for a nice sweat but couldn't hit the river. So 1.3k or so profit from that which was nice. Also managed a min-cash in the BH but only took 1 bounty. Sometimes I think I should play more tournaments because I have a pretty good record in them - since January I've won the Primo, the B/H and come 5th in the superoller and yet I only ever play them 1 night a week on average. But then I have ambitions of moving up eventually to playing 1000NL again (this time with a proper BR) and playing in tournaments on sky would just be a waste of an evening in the main when I can win 1st place money in mains just by winning a few BI's on cash!!

VespaPX

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In Response to Re: F_Ivanovic 20nl to 100nl Q+A welcome : Forgot to reply to this. Still playing 50NL for now. I think when I reach 100BI's I'll step up to 100NL but quite happy sticking with a nitty BR for now! Anyway, to anyone that reads this thread I need your help for a nickname. It's for a back of my county pool shirt and so something poker related would be cool!
Posted by F_Ivanovic

Angle-shooter?

F_Ivanovic

Thought I'd post a 2nd post because that was getting a tad long! So anyway, now I've reached my goal I need a new challenge. Over the past 8-9 months I've made ~ 14k I guess. 4k I've had to spend on living costs and such and the rest is my current BR. Whilst it would be nice to earn that every year as I was saying in my last post I really want to push myself and move up stakes and hopefully earn double that in the next 9 months.

OK away from poker, I've made some life changes. Since Februrary, I have decided to try and become a vegetarian. Alicia has been a vegetarian for the past 12 years or so and in January she did Veganuary (so being vegan for a whole month) and now she is trying to become vegan too. It's been completely my decision though to try to become a vegetarian. When I say 'try' I was still going to eat chicken but I think over the past couple of weeks I've barely eaten any chicken. The other day went to a Crown Carvery for my birthday on Friday and had a Butternut squash roast, which was amazing! A few months ago I wouldn't even have considered trying it.

So, why am I becoming vegetarian? That's a question I've been asked a few times. For me, it was all about reading Alicia's news feed on facebook! She's a member of a group called "Changing the definition of animals to include murder" - through this I've also seen some youtube videos of people undercover in slaughter houses and just how sad it is to see animals scared out of their mind being beaten and then being slaughtered.

It's also amazing how many people in this world are hypocrites, most of us without even realising/thinking about it. For those that have a dog/cat... what do you think someone's punishment should be if someone decided to beat up your dog/cat,murder it and then eat it? Most would wish them to be locked up for a very long time AT LEAST. Yet this is what happens to pigs/cows/chickens by people working in slaughter houses. These people then provide the meat that you eat. Why are these people allowed to do this without it being against the law, or even frowned upon by most of society?

A couple of months back I got into an argument with a girl on facebook which resulted in her deleting me! She posted a picture of the giraffe story in the copenhagen zoo and about how outraged she was. I then proceeded to tell her that I can't see anything wrong with what's happened - the giraffe is only an animal, and as humans we are allowed to treat animals in whatever way suits us best. Of course, this provoked a reaction - with someone else telling me that they hoped I never had any pets! I then explained that I didn't actually believe what I wrote but that's what the rest of the population believes. And posted a couple of videos of slaughter houses on her wall which she said "I don't appreciate you posting something like that on here" - I mean, are you serious?! I'm glad someone like that deleted me!

I think the main problem is everyone in the world is ignorant about it. I know I was - I knew that animals were killed for me to eat meat but I just ignored it and didn't really ever think about it. Just as people ignore what goes on in other parts of the world that we don't want to think about. It's easier to block something out than to try and acknowledge it. Going back to the hypocrite part, how many people say "they are animal lover"? Wrong. They are dog/cat lovers. An animal lover is someone that is vegan. Not someone that loves their dogs and cats but still eats meat. 

A 100 years ago (my history isn't too good on the exact dates) but before slavery was abolished, everyone just thought keeping black people as slaves was the norm. They ignored/blocked out the cruelty aspect of it because it was conveniant for them to have slaves. Everyone else did, so why should they be any different? If they chose not to have slaves because they didn't agree with it, it wouldn't change anything. White people were too stuck in their ways. It's the same with animals in this society. They are kept as slaves and used for the purpose of the human race. The only difference in the past was race. Now the difference is species. 

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