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any1 else sick of getting completely robbed

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  • Waddell93Waddell93
    edited December 2013
    In Response to Re: any1 else sick of getting completely robbed:
    In Response to Re: any1 else sick of getting completely robbed : The highlighted bit is way off imo. Re-read what I wrote regarding the fact that you see 1000's more hands online then you do live so you will see 1000's more bad beats. Also, I have never seen anybody question the dealers shuffle in all the hours of live poker that I have watched.
    Posted by waller02
    May I ask, these many hours of hands watched where you stood in a casino watching or on the heavily/heavily edit tv shows, with pre-picked hands! 

    Edit - not pre-picked just picked a few out of many
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  • waller02waller02
    edited December 2013
    I have watched edited shows and live streams alongside following players progress in live mtt's on forums. What are you getting at here?
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  • SJspanky1SJspanky1
    edited December 2013
    Some examples of how variance/skill/luck is perceived.....No.1    I am brilliant at poker
    Kazuko Small blind   £0.50 £0.50 £193.50
    TommyD Big blind   £1.00 £1.50 £194.50
      Your hole cards
    • 10
    • 10
    		     
    SJspanky1 Raise   £3.00 £4.50 £208.45
    dontazeme Fold        
    HUGHMANS Fold        
    Kazuko Fold        
    TommyD Raise   £11.00 £15.50 £183.50
    SJspanky1 Call   £9.00 £24.50 £199.45
    Flop
       
    • Q
    • K
    • 10
    		     
    TommyD Bet   £18.00 £42.50 £165.50
    SJspanky1 Call   £18.00 £60.50 £181.45
    Turn
       
    • 10
    		     
    TommyD Check        
    SJspanky1 Bet   £30.25 £90.75 £151.20
    TommyD Call   £30.25 £121.00 £135.25
    River
       
    • 8
    		     
    TommyD Check        
    SJspanky1 All-in   £151.20 £272.20 £0.00
    TommyD All-in   £135.25 £407.45 £0.00
    SJspanky1 Unmatched bet   £15.95 £391.50 £15.95
    TommyD Show
    • A
    • A
    		     
    SJspanky1 Show
    • 10
    • 10
    		     
    SJspanky1 Win Four 10s £389.70   £405.65





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  • somersomer
    edited December 2013
    In Response to Re: any1 else sick of getting completely robbed:
    In Response to Re: any1 else sick of getting completely robbed : The highlighted bit is way off imo. Re-read what I wrote regarding the fact that you see 1000's more hands online then you do live so you will see 1000's more bad beats. Also, I have never seen anybody question the dealers shuffle in all the hours of live poker that I have watched.
    Posted by waller02
    Play at my local on a Saturday night and deal AK/JQ/JQ/JQ  with a flop of AK10 and a turn of K - believe me, you will have some comments regarding your ability in shuffling the cards.


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  • Waddell93Waddell93
    edited December 2013
    In Response to Re: any1 else sick of getting completely robbed:
    I have watched edited shows and live streams alongside following players progress in live mtt's on forums. What are you getting at here?
    Posted by waller02
    Just thought maybe you were being a bit silly to think what you see on tv is how live poker is. Its not thats all. Its heavily edited for entertainment reasons. You see like 10 hours of a 3-7 day torney or cash game. you see like 1500 hands out of 10000 etc, etc - you never see, the players going on brakes? the players going for a wonder?
    The players winging to the dealers? Even the players calling the floormen to windge. 

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  • SJspanky1SJspanky1
    edited December 2013
    No.2 Sky is rigged
    stack_u Small blind   £0.25 £0.25 £106.89
    SJspanky1 Big blind   £0.50 £0.75 £99.50
      Your hole cards
    • J
    • J
    		     
    walks2311 Fold        
    bolly580 Fold        
    liamboi11 Fold        
    tappazuki Fold        
    stack_u Raise   £1.25 £2.00 £105.64
    SJspanky1 Call   £1.00 £3.00 £98.50
    Flop
       
    • 3
    • J
    • Q
    		     
    stack_u Bet   £2.00 £5.00 £103.64
    SJspanky1 Call   £2.00 £7.00 £96.50
    Turn
       
    • 7
    		     
    stack_u Bet   £4.50 £11.50 £99.14
    SJspanky1 Call   £4.50 £16.00 £92.00
    River
       
    • 9
    		     
    stack_u Bet   £11.50 £27.50 £87.64
    SJspanky1 Raise   £25.00 £52.50 £67.00
    stack_u All-in   £87.64 £140.14 £0.00
    SJspanky1 All-in   £67.00 £207.14 £0.00
    stack_u Unmatched bet   £7.14 £200.00 £7.14
    stack_u Show
    • 10
    • K
    		     
    SJspanky1 Show
    • J
    • J
    		     
    stack_u Win Straight to the King £198.20   £205.34
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  • SJspanky1SJspanky1
    edited December 2013
    No 3 I am brilliant once more
    Sheldo_22 Small blind   £0.25 £0.25 £29.50
    Ludacris Big blind   £0.50 £0.75 £63.50
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • 4
    		     
    kamikazi Raise   £2.00 £2.75 £62.59
    SJspanky1 Call   £2.00 £4.75 £146.42
    ezryder Fold        
    Sheldo_22 Fold        
    Ludacris Fold        
    Flop
       
    • 3
    • J
    • 2
    		     
    kamikazi Bet   £2.38 £7.13 £60.21
    SJspanky1 Call   £2.38 £9.51 £144.04
    Turn
       
    • 4
    		     
    kamikazi Bet   £9.51 £19.02 £50.70
    SJspanky1 Call   £9.51 £28.53 £134.53
    River
       
    • 5
    		     
    kamikazi Bet   £21.40 £49.93 £29.30
    SJspanky1 All-in   £134.53 £184.46 £0.00
    kamikazi All-in   £29.30 £213.76 £0.00
    SJspanky1 Unmatched bet   £83.83 £129.93 £83.83
    kamikazi Show
    • 6
    • 5
    		     
    SJspanky1 Show
    • A
    • 4
    		     
    SJspanky1 Win Straight Flush to the 5 £128.13   £211.96
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  • SJspanky1SJspanky1
    edited December 2013
    I'm getting even more brilliant...
    JacksUp20 Small blind   £0.50 £0.50 £153.20
    sikas Big blind   £1.00 £1.50 £139.15
      Your hole cards
    • 3
    • 3
    		     
    andrew1947 Raise   £2.00 £3.50 £206.70
    launder Fold        
    SJspanky1 Call   £2.00 £5.50 £195.69
    Kazuko Call   £2.00 £7.50 £114.82
    JacksUp20 Call   £1.50 £9.00 £151.70
    sikas Fold        
    Flop
       
    • 2
    • 3
    • 5
    		     
    JacksUp20 Check        
    andrew1947 Bet   £6.75 £15.75 £199.95
    SJspanky1 Call   £6.75 £22.50 £188.94
    Kazuko Call   £6.75 £29.25 £108.07
    JacksUp20 Fold        
    Turn
       
    • 10
    		     
    andrew1947 Check        
    SJspanky1 Check        
    Kazuko Bet   £20.00 £49.25 £88.07
    andrew1947 Fold        
    SJspanky1 Call   £20.00 £69.25 £168.94
    River
       
    • 3
    		     
    SJspanky1 Check        
    Kazuko Bet   £46.00 £115.25 £42.07
    SJspanky1 All-in   £168.94 £284.19 £0.00
    Kazuko All-in   £42.07 £326.26 £0.00
    SJspanky1 Unmatched bet   £80.87 £245.39 £80.87
    SJspanky1 Show
    • 3
    • 3
    		     
    Kazuko Show
    • 10
    • 10
    		     
    SJspanky1 Win Four 3s £243.59   £324.46
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  • SJspanky1SJspanky1
    edited December 2013
    No, you're right..its definitely rigged...
    tai14 Small blind   £0.50 £0.50 £37.57
    30063248 Big blind   £1.00 £1.50 £67.80
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • A
    		     
    kcxyz Fold        
    SJspanky1 Raise   £2.00 £3.50 £123.20
    BOOBOO81 Raise   £6.00 £9.50 £58.62
    dogsonacid Fold        
    tai14 Fold        
    30063248 Call   £5.00 £14.50 £62.80
    SJspanky1 Raise   £13.00 £27.50 £110.20
    BOOBOO81 All-in   £58.62 £86.12 £0.00
    30063248 Call   £58.62 £144.74 £4.18
    SJspanky1 All-in   £110.20 £254.94 £0.00
    30063248 All-in   £4.18 £259.12 £0.00
    SJspanky1 Unmatched bet   £56.40 £202.72 £56.40
    30063248 Show
    • 2
    • A
    		     
    SJspanky1 Show
    • A
    • A
    		     
    BOOBOO81 Show
    • A
    • K
    		     
    Flop
       
    • 3
    • J
    • 4
    		     
    Turn
       
    • 5
    		     
    River
       
    • 10
    		     
    30063248 Win Straight to the 5 £200.92   £200.92
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  • SJspanky1SJspanky1
    edited December 2013
    It's called variance. I suppose it could be could called good or bad luck. It happens. Deal with it.

    Thankyou and goodnight.
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  • Waddell93Waddell93
    edited December 2013
    In Response to Re: any1 else sick of getting completely robbed:
    It's called variance. I suppose it could be could called good or bad luck. It happens. Deal with it. Thankyou and goodnight.
    Posted by SJspanky1
    OOOOOOHHHHHH Thankyou sooo much!!! 

    Thank you for persisting in schooling our type ;)
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  • somersomer
    edited December 2013
    In Response to Re: any1 else sick of getting completely robbed:
    In Response to Re: any1 else sick of getting completely robbed : OOOOOOHHHHHH Thankyou sooo much!!!  Thank you for  persisting in schooling our type ;)
    Posted by Waddell93

    Lol - as long as you have benefited from his superior knowledge and you are grateful - his job is done.

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  • GELDYGELDY
    edited December 2013
    In Response to Re: any1 else sick of getting completely robbed:
    Currently, there is a post  on the forum discussing the following hands. 4 players holding:  AK /  JQ / JQ / JQ  Flop: A / K /10 Turn: K An example of why some players become frustrated with the so called - random number generator. I do not believe that it is unreasonable to state that these cards do not appear “random”.  However,  as indicated by Waddle any negative comments directed at the RNG will receive ridicule and abuse. What in fact we should be discussing is how the hell these hands get away with very little comment.
    Posted by somer
    that's like saying the lottery is rigged if it comes out with 
    1 2 3 4 5 6
    whereas that has just as much right to be the winning hand as any other random combination
    just because it looks fihy doesn't mean it is
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  • FlyingDaggFlyingDagg
    edited December 2013
    Hands up all those with a + ROI who think Skypoker is rigged. That'll be a big fat zero then
    Hands up all those with a - ROI who think Skypoker is rigged. Can someone help me count all these hands please?
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  • seanallenseanallen
    edited December 2013
    In Response to Re: any1 else sick of getting completely robbed:
    Currently, there is a post  on the forum discussing the following hands. 4 players holding:  AK /  JQ / JQ / JQ  Flop: A / K /10 Turn: K An example of why some players become frustrated with the so called - random number generator. I do not believe that it is unreasonable to state that these cards do not appear “random”.  However,  as indicated by Waddle any negative comments directed at the RNG will receive ridicule and abuse. What in fact we should be discussing is how the hell these hands get away with very little comment.
    Posted by somer
    Highlighting a cooler type hand from an all in sat doesn't really add any weight to a 'flops to generate action' theory, kind of goes against it if anything, I mean showing that these things just happen but tend to stick in the memory a bit more. 
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  • Waddell93Waddell93
    edited December 2013
    In Response to Re: any1 else sick of getting completely robbed:
    Hands up all those with a + ROI who think Skypoker is rigged. That'll be a big fat zero then Hands up all those with a - ROI who think Skypoker is rigged. Can someone help me count all these hands please?
    Posted by FlyingDagg

    whats ROI mean?
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  • Jac35Jac35
    edited December 2013
    In Response to Re: any1 else sick of getting completely robbed:
    In Response to Re: any1 else sick of getting completely robbed : whats ROI mean?
    Posted by Waddell93
    Right.Old.Idiot
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  • Waddell93Waddell93
    edited December 2013
    In Response to Re: any1 else sick of getting completely robbed:
    In Response to Re: any1 else sick of getting completely robbed : Right.Old.Idiot
    Posted by Jac35
    so why would all thr rite old idiots not put there hand up?

    Strange post that one
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  • YOYOYYOYOY
    edited December 2013
    In Response to Re: any1 else sick of getting completely robbed:
    In Response to Re: any1 else sick of getting completely robbed : so why would all thr rite old idiots not put there hand up? Strange post that one
    Posted by Waddell93

    It means "return on investment".

    Well i've got a -ROI at the moment and will probably stay that way for a long time. Do i think that sky poker is rigged? No i don't. 

    Have i ever given it much thought? No i haven't.

    Look, what i'm trying to say is, why would sky poker rig the games in the first place? They make an absolute fortune out of the rake so why take a chance on getting caught rigging the RNG.

    I'm sorry if you think you're getting short shrift about this and i realise that you are standing up for the original poster and his right to say what he thinks but it always comes down to the point of why play if you think you are being cheated? 

    Anyway back to the tables. Don't want to be late, got a royal flush against 4 Aces coming in at 11.30!



     
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  • GELDYGELDY
    edited December 2013
    In Response to Re: any1 else sick of getting completely robbed:
    In Response to Re: any1 else sick of getting completely robbed : Right.Old.Idiot
    Posted by Jac35
    very lol

    but tut tut


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  • Waddell93Waddell93
    edited December 2013
    In Response to Re: any1 else sick of getting completely robbed:
    In Response to Re: any1 else sick of getting completely robbed : It means "return on investment". Well i've got a -ROI at the moment and will probably stay that way for a long time. Do i think that sky poker is rigged? No i don't.  Have i ever given it much thought? No i haven't. Look, what i'm trying to say is, why would sky poker rig the games in the first place? They make an absolute fortune out of the rake so why take a chance on getting caught rigging the RNG. I'm sorry if you think you're getting short shrift about this and i realise that you are standing up for the original poster and his right to say what he thinks but it always comes down to the point of why play if you think you are being cheated?  Anyway back to the tables. Don't want to be late, got a royal flush against 4 Aces coming in at 11.30!  
    Posted by YOYOY
    lol I knew what ROI meant. Mine is curently +8.5 i think, needs improvement i know! 

    Look, Ive been playing live poker for years and for the most part ive been making a living. I came to sky poker only two months ago after i was reffered by a fella player whom i wont name as he still plays on here. I set myself a challenge to start with next to nothing and build up enough to free roll any future online games .i.e major monthly mtt's etc. As a reasonably new player to online, i started with all hope and with my 'live' game plan! I lost! I lost again! ohh and i lost again!  

    As anybody can, i was steaming! i came on to these forums, hot blooded and annoyed! and almost immidiately i recieved abuse for claiming it was rigged! (Which i never have) I have said 'feel like the unluckiest player online' and 'did he know something i didnt?'
     
    However a selected few very well respected players on this forum, didnt heckle me or make me feel like rubbish for steaming, instead they offered compassion and there advise! They explained the differences between live and online and how i needed to adapt my game. This to me, is how everyone should be! we shouldnt jump at someone even if they do complain or acuse the site, and it makes me laugh how some of these players who rush to comment, do so in a way which is so belittling and they dont even stop to think, hang on these complainers are our customers, our cream! should we upset them? or should we try to get them back on the felt? 

    Can i also say, in live poker its the 'poker gods' against these unlucky players Online its the 'site' NO amount of laughing at and abusing these players will ever change that! 

    Now im sure that some of you regular haters will pull this apart, question every bit, laugh and joke as you do! but i tell you what, how about instead of posting it on here, you private message me with it?  
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr
    edited December 2013
    In Response to Re: any1 else sick of getting completely robbed:
    In Response to Re: any1 else sick of getting completely robbed : what a bell end you really are! 
    Posted by Waddell93
    This will certainly get you a TOPT nomination.
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  • igimcigimc
    edited December 2013
    In Response to Re: any1 else sick of getting completely robbed:
    In Response to Re: any1 else sick of getting completely robbed : This will certainly get you a TOPT nomination.
    Posted by hhyftrftdr
    well its certainly the most factually correct post on the whole thread :)
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  • Lambert180Lambert180
    edited December 2013
    In Response to Re: any1 else sick of getting completely robbed:
    In Response to Re: any1 else sick of getting completely robbed : It means "return on investment". Well i've got a -ROI at the moment and will probably stay that way for a long time. Do i think that sky poker is rigged? No i don't.  Have i ever given it much thought? No i haven't. Look, what i'm trying to say is, why would sky poker rig the games in the first place? They make an absolute fortune out of the rake so why take a chance on getting caught rigging the RNG. I'm sorry if you think you're getting short shrift about this and i realise that you are standing up for the original poster and his right to say what he thinks but it always comes down to the point of why play if you think you are being cheated?  Anyway back to the tables. Don't want to be late, got a royal flush against 4 Aces coming in at 11.30!  
    Posted by YOYOY
    IF ONLY!!!
    (this was tonight's £55 BH)

    Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance
    samkoh Big blind   250.00 250.00 11397.50
      Your hole cards
    • Q
    • 10
    		     
    1267 Fold        
    harrypump Fold        
    Lambert180 Raise   500.00 750.00 12252.50
    LoveKratom Raise   1250.00 2000.00 10692.50
    samkoh Fold        
    Lambert180 Call   750.00 2750.00 11502.50
    Flop
       
    • 7
    • A
    • J
    		     
    Lambert180 Check        
    LoveKratom Bet   1375.00 4125.00 9317.50
    Lambert180 Call   1375.00 5500.00 10127.50
    Turn
       
    • A
    		     
    Lambert180 Check        
    LoveKratom Bet   2750.00 8250.00 6567.50
    Lambert180 All-in   10127.50 18377.50 0.00
    LoveKratom All-in   6567.50 24945.00 0.00
    Lambert180 Unmatched bet   810.00 24135.00 810.00
    Lambert180 Show
    • Q
    • 10
    		     
    LoveKratom Show
    • A
    • A
    		     
    River
       
    • 6
    		     
    LoveKratom Win Four Aces 24135.00   24135.00 
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  • YOYOYYOYOY
    edited December 2013
    In Response to Re: any1 else sick of getting completely robbed:
    In Response to Re: any1 else sick of getting completely robbed : IF ONLY!!! (this was tonight's £55 BH) Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance samkoh Big blind   250.00 250.00 11397.50   Your hole cards Q 10       1267 Fold         harrypump Fold         Lambert180 Raise   500.00 750.00 12252.50 LoveKratom Raise   1250.00 2000.00 10692.50 samkoh Fold         Lambert180 Call   750.00 2750.00 11502.50 Flop     7 A J       Lambert180 Check         LoveKratom Bet   1375.00 4125.00 9317.50 Lambert180 Call   1375.00 5500.00 10127.50 Turn     A       Lambert180 Check         LoveKratom Bet   2750.00 8250.00 6567.50 Lambert180 All-in   10127.50 18377.50 0.00 LoveKratom All-in   6567.50 24945.00 0.00 Lambert180 Unmatched bet   810.00 24135.00 810.00 Lambert180 Show Q 10       LoveKratom Show A A       River     6       LoveKratom Win Four Aces 24135.00   24135.00 
    Posted by Lambert180
    You turned up too early! I said 11.30!
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  • Tony_A_GTony_A_G
    edited December 2013
    I am with the rest of you who think its a load of BULLX.
    Constantly up against hands with MIRACLE Runner to fill the nuts.

    As a result,i cant win a sattelite or cash in any tournies,

    Iam no Pro and I know its Chrismas but gimme a break with the miralces.
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  • SlipwaterSlipwater
    edited December 2013
    In Response to Re: any1 else sick of getting completely robbed:
    Constantly up against hands with MIRACLE Runner to fill the nuts.
    Posted by Tony_A_G
    If that was really the case, Lambert would have hit his king of hearts on the river in that hand two posts before yours...
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  • tierceltiercel
    edited January 2014
    Good grief - instead of moaning, name calling, etc... just play . People believe what they want to believe whether it is true or not. They haveto learn the truth for themselves - if there is a provable truth. I'm all for a friendly debate but these things get - for want of a btter word - childish. Play or leave - simple.



    n Response to Re: any1 else sick of getting completely robbed:
    In Response to Re: any1 else sick of getting completely robbed : Tell you what! How about... you leave me alone, dont comment on or about any of my posts/hands and or anything to do with me! NOBODY cares about what you think of me and my opinions! i can say and post what ever i like, whenever i like unless Sky poker bans or blocks me!  when the forum is called Brags, BEATS and Variance, dont be surprised that many a player will post about there beats. Now please, i ask you, oh great wonderful smart man! Can u find a way to please, in the nicest  possible way GO AWAY ;)
    Posted by Waddell93
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  • SCHOF78SCHOF78
    edited January 2014
    Ive just spend 4 hours trying to qualify for the UKPC, to be outdrawen on the bubble of the semi final with a 75-25 shot, outdraws galore. I acutally knew I was going to be outdrawn its so predictable and the cards arent random end of. Ive also being outdrawn on all dyms today again not even with 50-50 shots.

    Its a farce.
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr
    edited January 2014
    In Response to Re: any1 else sick of getting completely robbed:
    Ive just spend 4 hours trying to qualify for the UKPC, to be outdrawen on the bubble of the semi final with a 75-25 shot, outdraws galore. I acutally knew I was going to be outdrawn its so predictable and the cards arent random end of. Ive also being outdrawn on all dyms today again not even with 50-50 shots. Its a farce.
    Posted by SCHOF78
    I wouldn't play that hand if I ''actually knew'' I was going to be outdrawn.
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