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Further misadventures of a fish at the cash tables

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  • edited November 2014

    If only the game could always be as easy as this....

    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    shakinaces Small blind  £0.10 £0.10 £20.73
    xxxBig blind  £0.20 £0.30 £4.19
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • 10
         
    yyyRaise  £0.60 £0.90 £13.55
     Fold     
    zzzCall  £0.60 £1.50 £12.24
    000Call  £0.60 £2.10 £0.40
    shakinaces Call  £0.50 £2.60 £20.23
    xxxCall  £0.40 £3.00 £3.79
    Flop
       
    • 5
    • J
    • Q
         
    shakinaces Check     
    xxxAll-in  £3.79 £6.79 £0.00
    yyyFold     
    zzzCall  £3.79 £10.58 £8.45
    000All-in  £0.40 £10.98 £0.00
    shakinaces All-in  £20.23 £31.21 £0.00
    zzzAll-in  £8.45 £39.66 £0.00
    shakinaces Unmatched bet  £7.99 £31.67 £7.99
    shakinaces Show
    • A
    • 10
       
    xxxShow
    • Q
    • 8
       
    zzzShow
    • Q
    • K
       
    000Show
    • K
    • 10
       
    Turn
       
    • 9
         
    River
       
    • 6
         
    shakinaces Win Flush to the Ace £30.08  £38.07
    Ok, so I should have 3-bet pre-flop.  I know I didn't play it well and got lucky.

    This was a pretty kind table for NL20 standards though.
  • edited November 2014
    Hmm a whole £4 up since my last post. Such a high roller.

    Shame I can't set up a new user name and make a quick crack at NL50 or higher without people having a headstart on my (many) weaknesses!

    Probably spent as much time watching videos as I did playing poker... always fun to get a brief view of others playing at the Sky tables:

    https://www.pokervip.com/en/coaching-videos/poker-coach-review-of-jef147--sky-poker-30nl

    Punishing the limpers is as important to modern poker as raising unopened pots on the button.

    The game is so much easier when you are stepped back and watching from afar, as opposed to being the maelstrom of emotions at the table and given just a few short seconds to instinctively grab for the correct decision.

    Maelstrom is a bit OTT, but a great word not used frequently enough, so I thought it deserved an outing.

    I also looked up lots of stuff on blind defence and playing for orphan pots (the durrrrr playbook) - not sure I've implemented it entirely successfully, as it just seemed to lead to way more people playing back at me, it felt like every bet I made was getting zero respect when I played yesterday lol...

    Maybe these aren't NL20 / MC10 strategies and I need to hide back under my rock and nit back up.

    Way more fun getting involved in fighting for more than your fair share of pots though!
  • edited November 2014
    Misplayed hand of the weekend.

    a) probably shouldn't be calling 87o on the button, arguably better stance to 3b
    b) feel I have to raise flop for value and protection, sizing is maybe a bit TOO large
    c) got carried away on turn, just gone behind to 99/TT/JJ which could concievably be in MP range, as well as the possibility of the two A2s combos

    I think I should be checking back the turn. Albeit in this case the bet worked as MP dwelled up and said in chat that he folded a flush draw, convinced that I'd just housed up
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    sbSmall blind  £0.05 £0.05 £13.48
    bbBig blind  £0.10 £0.15 £19.19
      Your hole cards
    • 8
    • 7
         
    utgRaise  £0.30 £0.45 £20.21
    mpCall  £0.30 £0.75 £40.27
    coFold     
    shakinaces Call  £0.30 £1.05 £29.93
    sbFold     
    bbFold     
    Flop
       
    • 7
    • 2
    • 8
         
    utgBet  £0.79 £1.84 £19.42
    mpCall  £0.79 £2.63 £39.48
    shakinaces Raise  £3.10 £5.73 £26.83
    utgFold     
    mpCall  £2.31 £8.04 £37.17
    Turn
       
    • 2
         
    mpCheck     
    shakinaces Bet  £4.10 £12.14 £22.73
    mpFold     
    shakinaces Muck     
    shakinaces Win  £7.43  £30.16
    shakinaces Return  £4.10 £0.61 £34.26
  • edited November 2014
    Is it misplayed if you win?

    Thats why i love poker.  You can say u shouldve done this and that... but u won and thats what matters.
  • edited November 2014
    In Response to Re: Further misadventures of a fish at the cash tables:
    Is it misplayed if you win? Thats why i love poker.  You can say u shouldve done this and that... but u won and thats what matters.
    Posted by Chris_Mc
    Yeah I think you can still misplay but get lucky that it's one of the minority of times where a play works so you end up winning the pot... hopefully the more hands play 'perfectly' the more money you make over the longer term.

    But yeah you're right that being able to approach situations in so many different ways is one of the great things about poker... there is very rarely a definitive way to playing any particular hand or opponent!
  • edited November 2014
    £2,575

    So nearly broke my DTD duck in the 'easier' DTD 3 (the one most people give up on if they've busted earlier in DTD1 / 2 or fail to enter it at all) but after feeling in a good spot HU I made a poor call to lose the chip lead and then couldn't bink a flush draw... still, it looks a bit better than other recent efforts :)

    Nothing better than 60th in the 'harder' DTDs... I've really started to enjoy the banter in these though, so it's now a new aim to bink at least one tourni, if not gain an overall Monday night win... I may be waiting some time vs those fields though...

    Had the bonus of picking up a BI at NL30 alongside the tourni games... videos around isolating put to good use vs some odd plays I'd more expect to see at NL4.

    I think focus may still be a struggle looking forward... part want to focus enough on MTT to win DTDs/get a fancy sharkscope/have a decent tilt at some mains and minis - the other part wants to get enough confidence to take a shot up to nl100... imagining I am way off the talent to do both, even if I can manage just one!!
  • edited November 2014
    wp last night outlaw so close to taking it down next time eh
  • edited December 2014
    Huh, I knew that work had kept me from updating this for a bit, but didn't realise it'd been as long as two weeks.

    I've been running akin to Usain Bolt for the past week or so and have bashed past the £3k marker... true to my lack of self confidence though, where this would lead most players wanting to play 24/7 and believing they are going to smash every table, I remain a little fearful that the variance has to even things up eventually and the next session is always going to be the one where I crash and burn.

    I'm a little hopeful it's not just positive variance... I have read/watched a lot on winning without showdown and I hope some of the wins have been as a benefit of that, rather than pure luck.

    The idiocy of a bankroll nit with a gambling problem

    The daftness of playing with 150 BI for NL20 (and still having NL10 tables in the mix as often as I do NL30) was further highlighted last week.

    On the way back from a supplier party in London, the foolish decision to stop and play some bandits before the train home saw me over £400 quid down at one point, before a super-lucky run got me out of the hole (which I definitely didn't deserve).

    It's ridonkulous really.

    I have no cajones to sit down at NL100 of higher for fear of losing, a BI or two. Yet I still on occasion find myself putting a weeks' wages at risk in something I KNOW 100% is -EV.

    I think I need a lobotomy or something.

    Video time

    I did get round to taking a 30-min screen of 4-tabling which is in a queue to get coaching advice put over the top of it. Will throw the link up when it goes live and any lurkers can be welcome to add their critique / learn how to exploit my weaknesses (at least until I take on board the comments and fix my game!!)

    iPhone winningness.

    Well played ElleJaySea in the freeroll at the weekend, quality to see a reg take down the top prize - and vul SirGary on coming out the wrong side of the HU game.
  • edited December 2014
    Meh that bad run I feared did catch up with me with some pretty filthy rivers that have stacked me a few times, all due though I'm sure lol... luckily only left me about £20 or so down.

    BR itself down to a bit over £2.5k after I needed to withdraw £500 for some life stuff. A step back I suppose. Sigh. No NL1000MC for another few weeks....

    Sky CC did their bit to help though, a free £10 to pay for DTD night just because I couldn't get into a freeroll. Being a nit has some small benefits sometime.

    Still can't really get my head around tournaments... this bit from pokerplayer365 may give me somewhere to start trying to improve (as I have no clue at the moment lol)

    Tournament play is much more dynamic than cash game play for all of the above reasons. This can be very confusing for the specialised cash game player, who is used to opening a lot and playing a certain way with 100 big blinds. Cash game players will tend to open too much and call three-bets tighter than is optimal.

    The two words in bold sum it up perfectly for me :)

    In the interim, back to NL2 with some freebie money at a different site while I play about with Hold Em manager... hopefully Sky gets busier during the day time closer to Christmas... I need something to stop me from getting involved with shopping or chores...
  • edited January 2015
    Huh, I didn't realise how long I'd been off work for until I came to search for this thread.

    With the way of the footballing world, it felt like a good idea not to post so much.  Can't wait to see us play Derby again shortly, it'll be... fun? :/ Just hope that the owners let Psycho have time to fix it and actually give us a bit of consistency for a change... too much chopping and changing and we'll never get back above the sheep :(

    Given it was Christmas I was mostly too drunk to play poker at any time the games may have been any good. Barely scraped over 1,200pts for December which I think was my lowest since I started this thread.

    I played a fair amount of fast-fold-type poker on some other sites during daytimes... which I think has probably regressed my ability at poker (which, let's be honest, wasn't that high to start with). Will need to put that to bed and concentrate on Sky again for now, take my money and run!

    Somehow, mainly thanks to Sky freerolls, I ended up in the black from tournaments for every month I played in 2014 - albeit very minimal - so that sets me a benchmark for 2015.

    Which for 2015 leaves me wanting to:

    > Focus on improving my MTT play

    /> Read through winning tournaments one hand a time, due in the post any day, and making notes that can be applicable to my game (rather than flicking through before I fall asleep each night and not actually taking much in)

    /> Getting a winner result in any DTD during the year... even better if it can help to contribute to Outlaws getting a winning month along the way!

    /> Sorting a volume-type target to start from 1st Feb, after I've done a bit of studying, hopefully leading to a profitable rest of the year...

    Away from poker I also need to throw more money at my house. I'm now sick of not having a proper space to relax / play poker in or a usable garden to go and drink / relax in during the small window of sunny weather we get in this country.

    I'm sure it can only help me play better if I'm not be sitting in the middle of a building site....

    Anyway... if anyone ever stumbles across this thread and reads it... all and any hints or tips for how not to suck at tournaments would be gratefully received :)
  • edited January 2015
    Another failed attempt to have a good run at DTD games... although I think finishing top 40 in all 3 is probably a PB, which kind of sums up how much improvement I still have to make.

    Winning tournaments one hand at a time arrived in the post yesterday and will be my main source of reading for the next couple of weeks... If it seems to be sinking in / improving my play then I can get the follow up as well and see if I can get from 'utter garbage' to 'vaguely competitive' over the next couple of months :)

    Biggest tilt last night was how much lag I was suffering with just 4 tables running. I lost count of how many times I timed out of hands as a result. Totally sick of Windows now.

    I should have had a new macbook by now, but the lovely Halifax had temp stopped my card due to some tech glitch and I only found out at the front of a long queue in John Lewis, leaving me looking like some sort of skint waster that had to walk past said queue getting a number of looks of sadness/pity.

    That's what I get for having accounts with such poor providers. Should stick to Nationwide for everything.

    Still, hopefully will get time to go back and pick one up asap and get back to only having my own poor play to blame for lack of MTT results (although 'dodgy wifi connection' is always an excuse to have in reserve).
  • edited January 2015
    pwned :(

    I'm never going to master this bluffing malarkey... this was my first hand at the table, didn't recognise the other person, DTD1 last night.  I did change the bet size to all-in but just couldn't convince myself that I'd be getting 3b bluffed and didn't want to duck out in such a shameful way if oppo insta-called with a 6.

    It's this sort of stack size where I think I make most of my mistakes. With 100bb at cash I can raise here and figure to be well ahead of a limpers range, knowing they'll likely call my raise, whereas in a tourni it feels like a waste of chips to bump it up pre and then be out of position with only 17-18 BB of wriggle room...
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    xxxSmall blind  300.00 300.00 31562.50
    shakinaces Big blind  600.00 900.00 14241.50
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • 5
         
    xxxFold     
    got meCall  600.00 1500.00 20880.00
    xxxFold     
    xxxFold     
    shakinaces Check     
    Flop
       
    • K
    • 6
    • 6
         
    shakinaces Check     
    got meBet  600.00 2100.00 20280.00
    shakinaces Raise  1800.00 3900.00 12441.50
    got meRaise  2400.00 6300.00 17880.00
    shakinaces Fold     
    got meShow
    • Q
    • 10
       
    got meWin  5100.00  22980.00
    got meReturn  1200.00 0.00 24180.00
  • edited January 2015
    In Response to Re: Further misadventures of a fish at the cash tables:
    pwned :( I'm never going to master this bluffing malarkey... this was my first hand at the table, didn't recognise the other person, DTD1 last night.  I did change the bet size to all-in but just couldn't convince myself that I'd be getting 3b bluffed and didn't want to duck out in such a shameful way if oppo insta-called with a 6. It's this sort of stack size where I think I make most of my mistakes. With 100bb at cash I can raise here and figure to be well ahead of a limpers range, knowing they'll likely call my raise, whereas in a tourni it feels like a waste of chips to bump it up pre and then be out of position with only 17-18 BB of wriggle room... Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance xxx Small blind   300.00 300.00 31562.50 shakinaces Big blind   600.00 900.00 14241.50   Your hole cards A 5       xxx Fold         got me Call   600.00 1500.00 20880.00 xxx Fold         xxx Fold         shakinaces Check         Flop     K 6 6       shakinaces Check         got me Bet   600.00 2100.00 20280.00 shakinaces Raise   1800.00 3900.00 12441.50 got me Raise   2400.00 6300.00 17880.00 shakinaces Fold         got me Show Q 10       got me Win   5100.00   22980.00 got me Return   1200.00 0.00 24180.00
    Posted by shakinaces

    Interesting hand! Think I just check there 2 pre. On  the flop maybe just lead, don't think we are check raising a value hand when no1 has the betting lead pre. Really interesting villains click back 3 bet. All the best in the ny

  • edited January 2015
    If that book series you are reading now doesn't improve your MTT play then nothing will. Trust me when I say you will learn so much and will see dividends almost emidiatley. 

    As for the hand above I think check calling is best if you want to continue with the hand but IMO I dont think its worth fighting over OOP against an unknown hand range.

    Good luck with the new Mac. It will last for years and years with no detioration. Unlike PC's.
  • edited January 2015
    In Response to Re: Further misadventures of a fish at the cash tables:
    pwned :( I'm never going to master this bluffing malarkey... this was my first hand at the table, didn't recognise the other person, DTD1 last night.  I did change the bet size to all-in but just couldn't convince myself that I'd be getting 3b bluffed and didn't want to duck out in such a shameful way if oppo insta-called with a 6. It's this sort of stack size where I think I make most of my mistakes. With 100bb at cash I can raise here and figure to be well ahead of a limpers range, knowing they'll likely call my raise, whereas in a tourni it feels like a waste of chips to bump it up pre and then be out of position with only 17-18 BB of wriggle room... Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance xxx Small blind   300.00 300.00 31562.50 shakinaces Big blind   600.00 900.00 14241.50   Your hole cards A 5       xxx Fold         got me Call   600.00 1500.00 20880.00 xxx Fold         xxx Fold         shakinaces Check         Flop     K 6 6       shakinaces Check         got me Bet   600.00 2100.00 20280.00 shakinaces Raise   1800.00 3900.00 12441.50 got me Raise   2400.00 6300.00 17880.00 shakinaces Fold         got me Show Q 10       got me Win   5100.00   22980.00 got me Return   1200.00 0.00 24180.00
    Posted by shakinaces
    Don't really get why you start bluffing here... If you think your ahead here just call the flop. A5 in a limped pot has decent showdown value heads up.

  • edited January 2015

    I just figured that in a limped pot, it would be unlikely oppo would have a 6 or a K whereas as BB this could be part of my range... that's what led me to nearly 4b shove the flop but I bottled it.

    I'm not sure I want to be calling OOP as if they keep firing I could easily be behind / allow them to pick up a pair... I think I'd personally have preferred to lead on the flop now.

    Either way, still played it poorly in the first place!

    Having read through 20 or so hands of '1 hand at a time', I'm amazed by how much limping is being recommended / and no 3-betting marginally big hands (QQ-TT and AK-AJ).

    Runs at odds with my expectations from cash games, but maybe something to try more in MTT to see how it works. Still feels a bit weak to be almost set-mining with QQ, say, but appreciate that the hidden nature of the hand makes an early double or treble up a lot more likely when you do flop a Q / less sigh when you get a random A-high flop.

    I more question how  close the ranges of oppos in a £2.30 BH compare to those of the $240 type BI event mind...

  • edited January 2015
    In Response to Re: Further misadventures of a fish at the cash tables:
    I just figured that in a limped pot, it would be unlikely oppo would have a 6 or a K whereas as BB this could be part of my range... that's what led me to nearly 4b shove the flop but I bottled it. I'm not sure I want to be calling OOP as if they keep firing I could easily be behind / allow them to pick up a pair... I think I'd personally have preferred to lead on the flop now. Either way, still played it poorly in the first place! Having read through 20 or so hands of '1 hand at a time', I'm amazed by how much limping is being recommended / and no 3-betting marginally big hands (QQ-TT and AK-AJ). Runs at odds with my expectations from cash games, but maybe something to try more in MTT to see how it works. Still feels a bit weak to be almost set-mining with QQ, say, but appreciate that the hidden nature of the hand makes an early double or treble up a lot more likely when you do flop a Q / less sigh when you get a random A-high flop. I more question how  close the ranges of oppos in a £2.30 BH compare to those of the $240 type BI event mind...
    Posted by shakinaces
    Your right it's unlikely oppo has a K or a 6. But if that's the case than your A5 is ahead a lot of the time. For the same reasons a 4-bet shove would have been bad. When villain 3-bets the flop his range is pretty much 6x and air. By 4-bet shoving your folding out all the hands you beat and getting snapped when your effectively drawing dead.

    Craig pretty much summed it up above. If your going to continue c/c is the best option imo. With it being the first hand at the table and having no info about villains limping range folding is probably best.
  • edited January 2015

    Yeah I don't disagree that c/f is the sensible line most (if not all) the time.

    My betting decision (whether that be leading or raising) is to prevent oppo from realising his equity. 

    If he has any two cards then he'll have what, 20-25% equity on the flop? Out-drawing me 1 in ever 4 times makes me feel like it's way too pricey to be just calling with A-high... especially when he's also going to have power to bluff (thanks to position) or could already have me drawing dead (if he really does have a 6).

    Therefore I'm betting for protection in the same way I may do with (say) a mid pocket pair that doesn't want to let people have a free shot at hitting an overcard, or a low pocket pair that doesn't want to be forfeited / let them hit a overcard.

    To that end, I think Larson's line makes sense as I can chuck out a lead of 800-900 and likely get to the same result as I've paid 1800 to do in this hand (ie he folds, happy days, he raises and I give credit for being crushed and fold)

    With a cash perspective I read/watched lots of stuff on winning without showdown at the start of December. I have almost certainly now gotten too aggro in limped pots / orphaned pots, particularly with the lower limit player tendency to call too much (ie I'm now bluffing way too much for the levels I'm playing).

  • edited January 2015
    In Response to .:
    Yeah I don't disagree that c/f is the sensible line most (if not all) the time. My betting decision (whether that be leading or raising) is to prevent oppo from realising his equity.  If he has any two cards then he'll have what, 20-25% equity on the flop? Out-drawing me 1 in ever 4 times makes me feel like it's way too pricey to be just calling with A-high... especially when he's also going to have power to bluff (thanks to position) or could already have me drawing dead (if he really does have a 6). Therefore I'm betting for protection in the same way I may do with (say) a mid pocket pair that doesn't want to let people have a free shot at hitting an overcard, or a low pocket pair that doesn't want to be forfeited / let them hit a overcard. To that end, I think Larson's line makes sense as I can chuck out a lead of 800-900 and likely get to the same result as I've paid 1800 to do in this hand (ie he folds, happy days, he raises and I give credit for being crushed and fold) With a cash perspective I read/watched lots of stuff on winning without showdown at the start of December. I have almost certainly now gotten too aggro in limped pots / orphaned pots, particularly with the lower limit player tendency to call too much (ie I'm now bluffing way too much for the levels I'm playing).
    Posted by shakinaces
    I think that's quite exploitable tbh.

    Think c/c is by far the best line vs a complete unknown player and range. I'd figure A high to be the best hand at present, but it's gonna be difficult to play OOP. Certainly call one and see what he does on the turn. May well c/c down on favourable run outs.

  • edited January 2015
    Thanks H - I suppose my lack of ability sees it more as a waste of chips to be calling here (and would c/f if not betting), because a limpers range is going to be so wide that I'm going to have almost no idea of what a favourable run out could be...

    Even if I hit my ace I could just be calling to split, and oppo could easily hit a pair with his hole cards (if I'm not already crushed).

    Were I a better player, or even if I knew the oppo, maybe it makes it easier to be calling down with A-high?

    I was out for a family dinner last night, so my limited poker was seeing this clip on youtube:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc9I7DJqRWc

    I'm a fish, I get the logic why the guy with 10s shouldn't have raised, but I still think the only reason I wouldn't go bust here is because it's hand 1 of the WSOP ME and I'd bottle calling with the 5th nuts. If this was any tournament I could afford to buy in to today, I'm 100% going skint here as well.

    I also believe a short coaching video of my play on Sky is now available on t'internet. So I have that to look forward to this evening. Probably watching with a lot of wincing on my face :/
  • edited January 2015
    Finally played a bit of Sky yesterday after getting the new laptop... what a novel change to have zero lag and even be able to have 8 tables simultaneously for a brief while.

    Shame I'm still toilet at the game, but being a luckbox I binked another £48 freeroll and made a little bit from the cash tables.

    I was also able to watch a short review of my play, which my windows lappy was incapable of playing fully... if you want to see just how bad I am, click below:

    https://www.pokervip.com/en/coaching-videos/leak-finder-review-shakinaces--deepstack-10nl-to-30nl

    I might record myself more often... even without the comments I can spot errors by watching it back.  Was shouting at the screen to fold at one point... this was recorded a couple of months ago now and I'd like to think I no longer call 3bets oop with AQo when a tight/nitty player 3b from MP :/

    Anyway, the new tech means one less excuse when I fail at DTDs now. So I really need to hurry up and luckbox a win...
  • edited January 2015
    gl in the dtds tonight outlaw
  • edited January 2015
    In Response to Re: Further misadventures of a fish at the cash tables:
    I just figured that in a limped pot, it would be unlikely oppo would have a 6 or a K whereas as BB this could be part of my range... that's what led me to nearly 4b shove the flop but I bottled it. I'm not sure I want to be calling OOP as if they keep firing I could easily be behind / allow them to pick up a pair... I think I'd personally have preferred to lead on the flop now. Either way, still played it poorly in the first place! Having read through 20 or so hands of '1 hand at a time', I'm amazed by how much limping is being recommended / and no 3-betting marginally big hands (QQ-TT and AK-AJ). Runs at odds with my expectations from cash games, but maybe something to try more in MTT to see how it works. Still feels a bit weak to be almost set-mining with QQ, say, but appreciate that the hidden nature of the hand makes an early double or treble up a lot more likely when you do flop a Q / less sigh when you get a random A-high flop. I more question how  close the ranges of oppos in a £2.30 BH compare to those of the $240 type BI event mind...
    Posted by shakinaces
    I meant to comment on this earlier but forgot. When reading this series you have to remember that this is based on 9/10 handed tables so we can use our own experiance and adjust the hands so JJ in a 9 handed tables becomes 88/99 on a 6 max if you get my meaning. So where in a 6 max you can 3 bet JJ in most spots you wouldnt do that in early position in a 9 handed game. Hope I made myself clear? (as mud probably).
  • edited January 2015
    ty for the gl TTT - alas it never showed up and I monkey spewed with overpairs for what is probably my worst DTD effort to date :(

    DTD3 could have been a saver, but I sort of lost interest after the Outlaw table split and spent more time on a handful of cash tables where I was able to pick up a few buy ins...

    On that note, great to see the site so busy... especially as there was some really poor play knocking around (no, not just from me)... I expected January to be a bit dull with an absence of recs until post-Christmas payday arrived, but the cash tables were great fun yesterday!

    Ah well... maybe next week :/

    WP Harry and Sam for the top 10 finishes yesterday :)
  • edited January 2015
    In Response to Re: Further misadventures of a fish at the cash tables:
    In Response to Re: Further misadventures of a fish at the cash tables : I meant to comment on this earlier but forgot. When reading this series you have to remember that this is based on 9/10 handed tables so we can use our own experiance and adjust the hands so JJ in a 9 handed tables becomes 88/99 on a 6 max if you get my meaning. So where in a 6 max you can 3 bet JJ in most spots you wouldnt do that in early position in a 9 handed game. Hope I made myself clear? (as mud probably).
    Posted by CraigSG1
    Cheers Craig - I'll re-read the book, but I think the hand I was refering to was raised in HJ/CO with hero on CO/BU... I'm sure the AQo off hand was that set up as well?

    The small number of bits and pieces I tried to slip into my game last night, I think, can be considered failures... although will play a couple of deepstacks this week and give them another go.

    It wasn't helped that it was my turn to be butchered by AT, rivering me (with AK and KK respectively) to effectively be KO'd in two MTT last night. Forget strategy, I just need to start playing AT like it's the nuts :)
  • edited January 2015

    With all this odd 'first photo' nonsense on social media, I scrolled back to my first post on facebook last night and it was worded something like.

    "Just dished out the most brutal of double bad beats"

    Nothing changes, I'm still a massive luckbox.

    I feel like I must be in such a minority as well. Almost everyone on Sky, as well as online poker in general, runs so bad all the time. I must be blessed.

    Which is good, or else I'd be down an absolute packet :)

    I did plan to have a night of MTT practice last night, but the leg of a work trip to London that involved catching up with one of data suppliers managed to end in a meeting that massively overran... mainly due to beer becoming involved.

    So when I finally got home in not much of a state for cards, I watched a bit of Sky nosebleeds cash instead.

    Scary numbers. Not sure how true the talk on some of these vids is of a cash game reg dropping c.£20k on NYE but jeez. Their hangover must have been far worse than the booze-inflicted one that most of us woke up with at the start of 2015!

    Interesting to see the top names in action though. Not sure how much of the play is transferable to micro cash but hey, something to aspire to!

    https://www.pokervip.com/en/coaching-videos/blizzy-sky-high-stakes--400nl-to-1000nl

  • edited January 2015
    Played a handful of MTT today and bricked all (unsurprisingly, little hungover)... was playing OK in a deepie until I had to go out, not a fan of the mobile poker experience at all and don't intend to be doing that again!

    So many odd spots compared to cash, the stack size thing really plays on my mind and ends up with me playing spew.

    This is one I butchered, I'd leaked a few chips raising pre and having to fold post with people getting it all in with one pair type hands and me being left with A/K-high.

    Since I got short I'd shoved BvB a few times and with worse and was never getting a call, but thought I'd try and get clever the time I get a stronger hand. Bad idea when I'm a fish and don't have the skill for clever:
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    shakinaces Small blind   50.00 50.00 1440.00
    bb Big blind   100.00 150.00 3725.00
      Your hole cards
    • Q
    • A
         
    MICI Fold        
    stanwasgod Fold        
    Scotth82 Fold        
    billy09 Fold        
    shakinaces Raise   250.00 400.00 1190.00
    bb Call   200.00 600.00 3525.00
    Flop
       
    • 10
    • 10
    • 7
         
    shakinaces Bet   300.00 900.00 890.00
    bb Call   300.00 1200.00 3225.00
    Turn
       
    • J
         
    shakinaces All-in   890.00 2090.00 0.00
    bb Call   890.00 2980.00 2335.00
    shakinaces Show
    • Q
    • A
         
    bb Show
    • 8
    • 6
         
    River
       
    • 9
         
    bb Win Straight to the Jack 2980.00   5315.00
    Guess I should just stick to shoving anything <20bb for now and just be grateful for picking up the occasional 1BB profit!
  • edited January 2015
    This was another one that I ruined, playing in a £11 BH game. Only called pre due to it being UTG open and figured I could see a low flop and be happy to play, avoid folding worse or getting 4b shoved by UTG and be likely crushed... yes... I probably need to 3b more in MTT... seeing the cards I faced today I probably need to play 88+ like it's the nuts preflop :)

    Given the action after my call, at cash, I'd be happy to fold here (figuring that most time at least one person will have AK/AA/KK in this spot and leave me flipping at best), then take notes and open my calling range as necessary as I play future hands with these guys.

    Of course that's not an option here because the guy that snap called the all in is out and can't donate any more chips.

    Where should my own all in range be in these spots?  Is my nitty QQ really close to the borderline, or should I be calling down to what, 88+, AKo and AQs+?  I'd call the 3b shove figuring it is what it was, a squeeze, but the UTG snap call left me confused.
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    sb Small blind   30.00 30.00 1840.00
    DESPARADO Big blind   60.00 90.00 2962.50
      Your hole cards
    • Q
    • Q
         
    utg Raise   180.00 270.00 1587.50
    mwh3131a Fold        
    shakinaces Call   180.00 450.00 3337.50
    sb All-in   1840.00 2290.00 0.00
    DESPARADO Fold        
    utg All-in   1587.50 3877.50 0.00
    shakinaces Fold        
    sb Unmatched bet   102.50 3775.00 102.50
    sb Show
    • A
    • 9
         
    utg Show
    • 10
    • Q
         
    Flop
       
    • 5
    • 8
    • K
         
    Turn
       
    • 4
         
    River
       
    • 4
         
    sb Win Pair of 4s 3775.00   3877.50
  • edited January 2015
    The other odd one, in honour of Mrs Duck joining the Outlaws was shoving 22 from the button in an unopened pot with about 15bb and being called by 76o who didn't have much more of a stack than me.

    Alas I don't have Duck Power and was drawing to a chop after a flopped straight lol

    Based on my small sample so far, micro MTT players on Sky are way more gamble-y than their cash counterparts.

    I blow at the discipline still, but if I work to improve my own game then at the moment it feels like there is way easier money to be made... even though the variance is likely to be horrific at times!
  • edited January 2015
    Shakin, I'd remove that QQ hand if I were you ;)
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