Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings?

hhyftrftdr

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In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings? : Very true - in Sky’s case it was 5 years ago.
Posted by somer

Oh hello Mr Happy.

Tikay10

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In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings? : Very true - in Sky’s case it was 5 years ago.
Posted by somer

It has to be verified every time a new "Client" or "Platform" is introduced.

So, the new HTML Client 2 years ago, & every one of the Mobile & Tablet products (App, Cash, SNG's, MTT's) had to FIRST be approved by the Regulator BEFORE it was introduced.

GELDY

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In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings? : Very true - in Sky’s case it was 5 years ago.
Posted by somer

that's the great thing about maths - doesn't change from year to year - if it was uniform random then it'll be uniform random now - absolutely no reason to change it.

DTWBANDIT

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In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings? : It has to be verified every time a new "Client" or "Platform" is introduced. So, the new HTML Client 2 years ago, & every one of the Mobile & Tablet products (App, Cash, SNG's, MTT's) had to FIRST be approved by the Regulator BEFORE it was introduced.
Posted by Tikay10

   +1

unknown_username

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In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings? : Well we are getting into semantics now, but to me, by definition, if you tried to programme a RNG "within a range",then it would not be Random, would it?
Posted by Tikay10

The dictionary defines the word random as "having equal opportunity to occur at any time"...   in other words its not random, or its is random less the card it randomly selected the last time it randomly selected one!!!! a decreasing algorithm

Why not just call it a Nearly Random Number Generator!! real question is "is it fixed"  and unless someone gets caught with their hand in the cookie jar (which as pointed out Absolute Poker already have)  and proves otherwise then all of us sheep are told to believe its not... so back to the original question "is it set within a range" of course it is other wise it wouldn't do what its designed to do"" 

bludreid11

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In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings? : Hi Lee, There have been, down the years, mercifully few examples of poker sites messing about, though Absolute Poker, for example, deffo pulled some dirty tricks. I can't ever recall a single credible example of ANY Online Poker Site messing with the RNG though. Why would they? There is nothing to gain.    In modern society, when things go wrong, people look to blame others. So a small minority of losing poker players blame the RNG. I don't know what excuse they use when they lose "Live", though! 
Posted by Tikay10

I do not believe that the RnG is rigged however, All poker sites want their players to " enjoy " their game.
I think that how this can be achieved is to have a totally random 2 hole cards, then to make sure that some players have a playable hand you can have a flop that encourages play.  I.E. if the flop is K 9 2 then you may get no action but if you then make it  Ks 9c 2c, theres  top pair, flush draw that way it generates play.and then RANDOM turn and river
That way the RnG has in no way determined the winner or chosen which players get the action. Just giving someone the choice to play.
Of course this does not include BAD play or bad beats, just to generate play, and of course the rake

hhyftrftdr

In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings?:

In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings? : I do not believe that the RnG is rigged however, All poker sites want their players to " enjoy " their game. I think that how this can be achieved is to have a totally random 2 hole cards, then to make sure that some players have a playable hand you can have a flop that encourages play.  I.E. if the flop is K 9 2 then you may get no action but if you then make it  Ks 9c 2c, theres  top pair, flush draw that way it generates play.and then RANDOM turn and river That way the RnG has in no way determined the winner or chosen which players get the action. Just giving someone the choice to play. Of course this does not include BAD play or bad beats, just to generate play, and of course the rake
Posted by bludreid11

Is it really that difficult to grasp the concept of an RNG?

bbMike

In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings?:

In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings? : I do not believe that the RnG is rigged however, All poker sites want their players to " enjoy " their game. I think that how this can be achieved is to have a totally random 2 hole cards, then to make sure that some players have a playable hand you can have a flop that encourages play.  I.E. if the flop is K 9 2 then you may get no action but if you then make it  Ks 9c 2c, theres  top pair, flush draw that way it generates play.and then RANDOM turn and river That way the RnG has in no way determined the winner or chosen which players get the action. Just giving someone the choice to play. Of course this does not include BAD play or bad beats, just to generate play, and of course the rake
Posted by bludreid11

So certain players always get a flop which encourages them to play? You're going to set a non-random flop based on the live randomly drawn hole cards (for only certain players) then set a random turn and river. Sounds overly complicated to me, prob easier to let it all be random.

If you have time count the number of times action finishes on the flop, or the number of times that all the money doesn't go in by the river on cash tables. There'll be a few.

somer

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In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings? : It has to be verified every time a new "Client" or "Platform" is introduced. So, the new HTML Client 2 years ago, & every one of the Mobile & Tablet products (App, Cash, SNG's, MTT's) had to FIRST be approved by the Regulator BEFORE it was introduced.
Posted by Tikay10

I was basing my comment on:

The sites Help and Support section: “Random Number Generator” states (today 20/10/2014) - TST conducted an audit of Sky Betting and Gaming in September 2009.

Perhaps the site could consider modifying the above information and confirming that the site has had a more recent audit. 

Slipwater

In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings?:

In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings? : I was basing my comment on: The sites Help and Support section: “Random Number Generator” states (today 20/10/2014) - TST conducted an audit of Sky Betting and Gaming in September 2009. Perhaps the site could consider modifying the above information and confirming that the site has had a more recent audit. 
Posted by somer

Why would the RNG need to be checked more often? This isn't WarGames, mate

Having said that: anyone fancy a nice game of chess?

Fortunatus

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In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings? : Well we are getting into semantics now, but to me, by definition, if you tried to programme a RNG "within a range",then it would not be Random, would it?
Posted by Tikay10

I think you may be right Tony.  I took the original poster at their word, and I thnk I may have fallen into an 'online poker is rigged' trap.

I'm out of practice with forum posting

oynutter

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In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings? : Why would the RNG need to be checked more often? This isn't WarGames , mate Having said that: anyone fancy a nice game of chess?
Posted by Slipwater

 I do! p to k4---your move

cenachav

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In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings? :  I do! p to k4---your move
Posted by oynutter

Horsey to the black square infront of the prawn next to the tower thingy

Slipwater

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In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings? :  I do! p to k4---your move
Posted by oynutter

P-Q6

GELDY

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In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings? : Well we are getting into semantics now, but to me, by definition, if you tried to programme a RNG "within a range",then it would not be Random, would it?
Posted by Tikay10

not just semantically but mathematically yes it would - even if it only ever showed AA or 47o as your hole cards, as long as you could not predict which one it would be it would still be random - just not uniform over the universe of all possibilities.

the RNG for online poker is not just about being random, it's about a random shuffling of the cards in a deck, in a non-forecastable way, and such that there are no biases in where cards get shuffled. ie over time every card appears in every place in the deck in roughly the same number of occasions. also the position of each card has to be evenly distributed compared to any other card (ie cannot have Ad always after As)

oynutter

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In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings? : P-Q6
Posted by Slipwater

pxp

Slipwater

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In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings? : pxp
Posted by oynutter

Hey!

You can't take my pawn from that position!

Chris_Mc

oynutter

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In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings? : Hey! You can't take my pawn from that position!
Posted by Slipwater

lol--- I think I know where we are--- you moved pawn one square to d6-----right?--

knt g1 to f3

 

NoseyBonk

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In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings? : Horsey to the black square infront of the prawn next to the tower thingy
Posted by cenachav

I've noticed a pattern. Every time you make a move, he makes one too ;-)

Slipwater

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In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings? : lol--- I think I know where we are--- you moved pawn one square to d6-----right?-- knt g1 to f3  
Posted by oynutter

kb f8 - b4

oynutter

lol--- you nutter!----- your queen goes on a black square-----start again?--- your queen should be on d-8

Slipwater

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lol--- you nutter!----- your queen goes on a black square-----start again?--- your queen should be on d-8
Posted by oynutter

Sigh.

Ludo?

oynutter

lol---- start again with the black queen on d-8 and the white queen on d 1---- kp--e2-e4

Slipwater

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lol---- start again with the black queen on d-8 and the white queen on d 1---- kp--e2-e4
Posted by oynutter

QP D7 - D6.

unknown_username

In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings?:

In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings? : I was basing my comment on: The sites Help and Support section: “Random Number Generator” states (today 20/10/2014) - TST conducted an audit of Sky Betting and Gaming in September 2009. Perhaps the site could consider modifying the above information and confirming that the site has had a more recent audit. 
Posted by somer

As its come up before I would add....

The Alderney Gaming Commission check skys RNG every year and reserve the right to do so un announced.....

As to why sky haven't updated the information in the sites Help and Support section is probably a simple oversight on their part but I'm sure TK could clarify that if need be.

somer

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In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings? : Why would the RNG need to be checked more often? This isn't WarGames , mate Having said that: anyone fancy a nice game of chess?
Posted by Slipwater

Why would any player not want an online poker site to check/audit its systems regularly? 

Slipwater

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In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings? : Why would any player not want an online poker site to check/audit its systems regularly? 
Posted by somer

How regularly do you want it 'checked'? Do you expect that it will become sentient and begin playing favourites if left unattended for long enough?

oynutter

ks b-- f1--C-4

cenachav

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In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings? : How regularly do you want it 'checked'? Do you expect that it will become sentient and begin playing favourites if left unattended for long enough?
Posted by Slipwater

How else do you explain MattBates?