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Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings?

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  • edited October 2014
    In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings?:
    Good game Slip---- Will open a thread on the rail---- fancy a rematch?
    Posted by oynutter
    Sure. Can we start it tomorrow?
  • edited October 2014
    Ok-- nice one--- I will have a few bob to deposit tomorrow, so will be in a good mood for around 40 minutes!--- that's good innit!!

     I know how slippery you are now too!---- no board--- queen on wrong square--lol--

    I got two boards, so Geldy can play too if he likes.
  • edited October 2014
    Not wanting to hijack this chess thread, but someone interrupted us about a hundred posts ago about an RNG or something.
  • edited October 2014
     Aye--- people don't seem to realise---- if a poker site wants to steal your money, they would over-ride the RNG and choose their own cards, choose your cards, choose the flop,turn and river.

     Imo, many people know there are gangsters running poker sites, and they play on Skypoker because they trust that this site is run properly and legally.

     Personally, I think Tikay's presence here reinforces our trust.--- Most beginners go through a phase of doubt when they suffer a series of bad beats that seem extremely unlikely---- if we google  "is online poker rigged" , we get thousands of pages saying it is rigged.

     I have found a site that rigged games---- gangsters can do what they like online, and they have your address, photo id and bank details.

     Be careful out there!---- play on a site that is easy to trust !
  • edited October 2014
    In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings?:
    White thinks, --- this fellow has done me up like a kipper-- a rematch might sought him out? RESIGNS
    Posted by oynutter
    Nice match.

    http://www.chess.com/analysis-board-editor?diagram_id=2251848
  • edited October 2014
    In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings?:
    In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings? : Nice match. http://www.chess.com/analysis-board-editor?diagram_id=2251848
    Posted by Machka
    Impressive, Machka - thanks :)
  • edited October 2014
    In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings?:
    In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings? : Nice match. http://www.chess.com/analysis-board-editor?diagram_id=2251848
    Posted by Machka
     Nice one Machka!--- was great fun!--- thread in the rail if you fancy a game --- not played much since my youth, but like a good game---- or a random one -- lol
  • edited October 2014
    In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings?:
    In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings? : Ha! Well done Mike. Ask a question on a poker forum, & all you have to do then is select the answer you think is right. I'm prefrctly happy with the reply I gave.  In all the history of Online Poker, & all the various dodges we have seen elsewhere (Absolute etc), there has never been a case of a dodgy RNG. I doubt there ever will be, either - every crime has to have a motice, & no site would ever benefit from doing it. CAN it be done? Yes, of course. WOULD it? No way. Be the most ridiculous thing ever as the site would not benefit. PS - Good result at the weekend v QPR, well done.  
    Posted by Tikay10
    Tony

    The purpose of posting a range of the replies (without any comment) was to show a number of things:

    1: There are conflicting views by respected posters.

    2: Especially for hhyft....maybe not such a silly Q?

    Please note that at no stage in this debate have I gave my opinion and there is a very simple reason for that - I don't have one - because I don't understand RNG's. I am very much of the view that if you don't know what you are talking about, say nothing other than to seek knowledge. As such, I am thankful for all the replies.

    As for the result against QPR - papering over the cracks at the moment. But we are a better side than how we are playing just now.
  • edited October 2014
    In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings?:
    Ok-- nice one--- I will have a few bob to deposit tomorrow, so will be in a good mood for around 40 minutes!--- that's good innit!!  I know how slippery you are now too!---- no board--- queen on wrong square--lol-- I got two boards, so Geldy can play too if he likes.
    Posted by oynutter
    oooh

    that would be fun
    havent played for decades though
    other than vs my kids
  • edited October 2014
    In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings?:
    In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings? : oooh that would be fun havent played for decades though other than vs my kids
    Posted by GELDY
     Hiya Geldy, there's a thread on the rail if you fancy a game---you up all night?--lol
  • edited October 2014
    In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings?:
    In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings? : Tony The purpose of posting a range of the replies (without any comment) was to show a number of things: 1: There are conflicting views by respected posters. 2: Especially for hhyft....maybe not such a silly Q? Please note that at no stage in this debate have I gave my opinion and there is a very simple reason for that - I don't have one - because I don't understand RNG's. I am very much of the view that if you don't know what you are talking about, say nothing other than to seek knowledge. As such, I am thankful for all the replies. As for the result against QPR - papering over the cracks at the moment. But we are a better side than how we are playing just now.
    Posted by Maggiesdad
    People are asking/talking about tampering with the RNG in some way. This then wouldn't make it an RNG.

    Clue is in the name. Its still a silly question.
  • edited October 2014
    In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings?:
    E4
    Posted by LARSON7
    Sigh.

    Cliff Richard to my Elvis ;)
  • edited October 2014
    In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings?:
    In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings? :  Hiya Geldy, there's a thread on the rail if you fancy a game---you up all night?--lol
    Posted by oynutter
    best not tonight - need my beauty sleep
  • edited October 2014
    In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings?:
    In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings? : People are asking/talking about tampering with the RNG in some way. This then wouldn't make it an RNG. Clue is in the name. Its still a silly question.
    Posted by hhyftrftdr
    no it isn't - read my responses
  • edited October 2014
    In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings?:
    In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings? : best not tonight - need my beauty sleep
    Posted by GELDY
    No worries Geldy----playin Larson in the rail-----catch ya another day--moisturize!--lol
  • edited October 2014
    I'm getting beat:(
  • edited October 2014
    In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings?:
    I'm getting beat:(
    Posted by LARSON7
    I taught him well, young Jedi.
  • edited October 2014
    Do a yoda trick and make him fold:D I mean resign
  • edited October 2014
    In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings?:
    In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings? : Tony The purpose of posting a range of the replies (without any comment) was to show a number of things: 1: There are conflicting views by respected posters. 2: Especially for hhyft....maybe not such a silly Q? Please note that at no stage in this debate have I gave my opinion and there is a very simple reason for that - I don't have one - because I don't understand RNG's. I am very much of the view that if you don't know what you are talking about, say nothing other than to seek knowledge. As such, I am thankful for all the replies. As for the result against QPR - papering over the cracks at the moment. But we are a better side than how we are playing just now.
    Posted by Maggiesdad
    Hi Mike,

    That was precisely my point too - you will always get conflicting views. I just wanted to reiterate that I stood by every word of my reply, no matter what anyone else replied.
     
    The sheer illogicality of having a dodgy RNG (which, imo, by definition would no longer be an RNG) is crazy beyond words. I'm sure you are aware, but many of those who suggest RNG's here & elsewhere do not have integrity have an "anti-site" Agenda. If a poker site wants to diddle it's player base, there would be far easier ways to do it. However, nothing anyone can say or do will reconcile the two viewpoints, players just have to work it out for themselves.
     
    Poker sites make money no matter WHO wins the games, it's a lovely busines model, drip drip drip, the money just keeps coming in.

    I am not a big player by any means, I play little lowball SNG's, and I average 20 sessions per month. On average, I pay £15 rake per night. £15 x £20 = £300 per month = £3,600 per year. Thousands - literally - of others do the same. That comes to a nice little income for a poker site, day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year. Any site that tried to interfere with such a lovely, long term income would need their heads examining. 

    Good to hear from you anyway, I often think back to that lovely time we had in Vegas, & your charming wife. (Kelly?). Think you were on the same trip as Hoggers? Your exit hand in the WSOP Main was a bit of a cooler unless my memory is playing tricks. Again..... 

     
  • edited October 2014
    In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings?:
    In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings? : People are asking/talking about tampering with the RNG in some way. This then wouldn't make it an RNG. Clue is in the name. Its still a silly question.
    Posted by hhyftrftdr
    Is a RNG a natural thing? If not somebody has already "tampered" with it by inventing it, surely? This statement may well prove my ignorance but I would like you to further demonstrate it by explaining how it is not so. Just because something has a particular name does not mean that it is. If it did, I would change my name to "Maggie's HANDSOME Dad"
  • edited October 2014
    In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings?:
    In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings? : Is a RNG a natural thing? If not somebody has already "tampered" with it by inventing it, surely? This statement may well prove my ignorance but I would like you to further demonstrate it by explaining how it is not so. Just because something has a particular name does not mean that it is. If it did, I would change my name to "Maggie's HANDSOME Dad"
    Posted by Maggiesdad
    Hi Mike,

    It's not a "natural" organic thing, no, it is a piece, or a series of pieces, of software code.

    It is something that gets designed from scratch, rather than an existing "natural" thing that can be "tampered with". You cannot buy an RNG, as far as I know, you design & build them.

    If you are saying COULD they "tamper" with it, yes, of course. There'd be no point though. If you want an RNG to do something other than "random", I guess you simply write the software accordingly.
     
    Poker has a fair share of folks who think it Online Poker is rigged. I am just guessing, but I would imagine billions of hands have been dealt cross all the Online Sites in the last 15 or so years. Not a single hand has been shown to be "improper", in all those hands & no credible evidence has ever been put forward.  Go to the 2 +2 Poker Forum, & there are thousands of posts on the subject. It makes my eyes bleed even to read it!  
     
  • edited October 2014
    In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings?:
    In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings? : Hi Mike, That was precisely my point too - you will always get conflicting views. I just wanted to reiterate that I stood by every word of my reply, no matter what anyone else replied.   The sheer illogicality of having a dodgy RNG (which, imo, by definition would no longer be an RNG) is crazy beyond words. I'm sure you are aware, but many of those who suggest RNG's here & elsewhere do not have integrity have an "anti-site" Agenda. If a poker site wants to diddle it's player base, there would be far easier ways to do it. However, nothing anyone can say or do will reconcile the two viewpoints, players just have to work it out for themselves.   Poker sites make money no matter WHO wins the games, it's a lovely busines model, drip drip drip, the money just keeps coming in. I am not a big player by any means, I play little lowball SNG's, and I average 20 sessions per month. On average, I pay £15 rake per night. £15 x £20 = £300 per month = £3,600 per year. Thousands - literally - of others do the same. That comes to a nice little income for a poker site, day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year. Any site that tried to interfere with such a lovely, long term income would need their heads examining.  Good to hear from you anyway, I often think back to that lovely time we had in Vegas, & your charming wife. (Kelly?). Think you were on the same trip as Hoggers? Your exit hand in the WSOP Main was a bit of a cooler unless my memory is playing tricks. Again.....   
    Posted by Tikay10
    Hi Tony

    Thank you for your response. Your summation above makes business sense to me. I suppose that I am just struggling to understand how a manufactured machine/thing such as a RNG has no parameters to work within. It has promoted some discussion on here!

    Kelly sends her best as do I and hopefully see you again soon. 


  • edited October 2014
    In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings?:
    In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings? : Is a RNG a natural thing? If not somebody has already "tampered" with it by inventing it, surely? This statement may well prove my ignorance but I would like you to further demonstrate it by explaining how it is not so. Just because something has a particular name does not mean that it is. If it did, I would change my name to "Maggie's HANDSOME Dad"
    Posted by Maggiesdad

    Hi Mike.

    Here is a video about the RNG on another site. Introduced by James Hartigan!
    Interesting  watch.

    Be quick though.....it may get taken down by the mods ;)

  • edited October 2014
    In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings?:
    In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings? : Hi Mike. Here is a video about the RNG on another site. Introduced by James Hartigan! Interseting watch. Be quick though.....it may get taken down by the mods ;)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DkHzOUzDjc
    Posted by MAXALLY
    Ha!

    Yes, it might get removed (not by me), but I thought that was utterly fascinating.

    The Video was made because there are even people who think the 'Stars RNG is dodgy. There are players on EVERY site who distrust the RNG, it was & will always be so. They still play on the sites though!

    I used to get my Coffee from a garage round the corner, & they gave out those "buy 6 get one free" cards. On some weird pretence, after I collected my 6 "stamps" they refused to honour it. I've never been there since.  What with diesel for my car, my daily paper, coffee, ciggies, Rennies & Nurofen, I spent an average of £25 a day there, which came to about £8,000 per year. I've never set foot in the place since, & I never will. Same with poker sites, if I think they are messing me about, I stop using them.   

     
  • edited October 2014
    In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings?:
    In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings? : Ha! Yes, it might get removed (not by me), but I thought that was utterly fascinating. The Video was made because there are even people who think the 'Stars RNG is dodgy. There are players on EVERY site who distrust the RNG, it was & will always be so. They still play on the sites though! I used to get my Coffee from a garage round the corner, & they gave out those "buy 6 get one free" cards. On some weird pretence, after I collected my 6 "stamps" they refused to honour it. I've never been there since.  What with diesel for my car, my daily paper, coffee, ciggies, Rennies & Nurofen, I spent an average of £25 a day there, which came to about £8,000 per year. I've never set foot in the place since, & I never will. Same with poker sites, if I think they are messing me about, I stop using them.     
    Posted by Tikay10

    Same as me. I 'won' the Irish Lottery the 1st month it began. Unfortunately, they could not pay out the Jackpot as they were waiting for funds to come in.

    ...so I said 'if you are gonna mess me about, I will just have my quid back!' . That showed them....never played it again.
  • edited October 2014
    roll-up roll-up
    get your random cards here - for free - and all created by atmospheric noise
    and choose your parameters along the way
    roll-up roll-up


    ps to avoid misunderstanding can i add that i do not, in a month of sunday's, believe that the skypoker "rng" does anything other than provide randomised cards just as if you were playing live in a fair casino. but you could design one that would be random, but customisable, should you so wish.
  • edited October 2014
    In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings?:
    In Response to Re: Can the RNG on all sites be programmed within a range of settings? :
     Go to the 2 +2 Poker Forum, & there are thousands of posts on the subject. It makes my eyes bleed even to read it!    
    Posted by Tikay10
    That whole forum makes my eyes bleed!
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