I echo the sentiments of what people have said. We've all done it and felt stupid. Sometime last year i was tilted with poker and punted my £500 roll on roulette and was so angry with myself. All you can do is learn from it and not do it again.
I feel like the best way at least for me is to start fresh in your head from £0 , put a small deposit down and challenge yourself to try and grind it back up and don't think about the money you lost. In any case its only a small % of the vegas package you've won, just pretend you payed what you lost for a good value for money vegas holiday :-)
I found the mental game of poker can be useful with helping tilt related issues. Other than that GL on the tables and enjoy vegas
Going back to that KTs hand for a bit of maths on the situation.
If they only have a really tight calling range (say top 7% of hands) then you gain on average 1.39bb every time you shove (compared with folding) which seems a significant amount. If they call a bit wider - say 20% of hands, then we gain 0.86bb on average.
However, limping this hand probably has a decent expectation post-flop. When we limp, lets assume villain shoves 20% and we have to fold. So we lose 1bb 20% of the time (0.2bb) When we limp and see a flop, lets assume we win ~ 1bb on average (seems reasonable) - that means when we limp and he checks back we will win 0.8bb on avg. Making a total profit of 0.6bb on avg when we limp. (this is ofc just a complete guestimate, but it's certainly going to be a plausible amount)
Which makes limping 0.26bb worse than jamming against someone that has a decently wide calling range. I think that amount is small enough that we prefer limping due to ICM considerations against most villains. If they are calling really tight though such that the difference between limping and checking is 0.8bb then I don't think we should pass up that much chip +ev and should prefer jamming. Alternatively, if they are shoving really wide over limps but still calling a normal amount then jamming again is preferable.
m-r (or some other amount raise) and folding I dislike against almost all villains. They would have to be shoving a range very tight and similar to their calling range for this to be the best option. A 7.1% calling range for reference is AQo+, KQo+, 88+, ATs+, KTs+ - I think most villains with this calling range will end up jamming some suited Ax down to A8 at least, non-suited up to AT, QJs and 55+ facing a m-r. Which I think doesn't make it the best option, but not got time to do any maths on that right now.
Summary: You played it fine, but limping is probably better against a lot of villains.
To those talking about the KT hand in the tourney, he's on the FT bubble not the pay bubble (5 paid) so that would probably lead me to shove vs anyone who I know is decent and won't call light (thinking about their own ICM) and limp vs those I think would call a shove light, and minraise vs a tight player
About tilting off your roll, it happens, eventually you'll get past it i'm sure, the bigger your bankroll is the less taxing a bad run is so I would suggest when you do build it back up not to withdraw until you're well over-rolled!
To those talking about the KT hand in the tourney, he's on the FT bubble not the pay bubble (5 paid) so that would probably lead me to shove vs anyone who I know is decent and won't call light (thinking about their own ICM) and limp vs those I think would call a shove light, and minraise vs a tight player About tilting off your roll, it happens, eventually you'll get past it i'm sure, the bigger your bankroll is the less taxing a bad run is so I would suggest when you do build it back up not to withdraw until you're well over-rolled! Posted by chiggypig
nah chiggy 6 got paid it was both the Ft and the pay bubble
What happened? I can't see any posts/results about what went wrong. Sorry if it's poor form to ask. My curiosity always beats me. Good Luck wi the recovery. Posted by DOHHHHHHH
previous page has it on, basically donked off 900 ish playing high stakes HU
morning session over, and a very good one, but i need to grind away like mental later if im going to remake prio and get that monthly bonus which would be a massive help to the br.
Gl with the prio grind, should be well do able with 6 days to go. Will nearly double your roll and enable you to comfortably play 5's n 10's, you will be back to the 1k mark in no time I'm sure.
GL mate, really hope to see you rebuild your roll and make sure you don't tilt, if you find it plaguing you through your next bad spell (its inevitable with poker) I strongly recommend the mental game of poker.
GL RLT was a pleaseure donating to your re-build last night. Prio may be hard but in 6 days time it will be worth it!
Im currently playing through the toughest patch of poker I have ever had to deal with... I had my first winning day in well over 2 weeks the other day... I made £6
The game is tough but grinding back to where you want to be now will hold you in good stead to move up levels in the future.
more good results today, Br is going in the right direction, and its going that way fast so thats good, however i think im really going to struggle to make that 10k atm. 253 poiints a day for the rest of the month required difficult at the £5 level but going to give it a good go, and if needed on the 31st ill pop it up to £11's if i think the bonus will be more than the potential loses.
another good day, and bankroll very quickly going the way i want it to. very donfident of hitting the 10k points aswell in a much better place in my head now i bought the mental game of poker and have been reading through, very interesting read.
I'm sure you'll do it RLT, I've played ya a few times and you play well. Oh and good luck in the championship next season ;-) Posted by IRIRH67
like me newcastle will bounce straight back up ive got no doubt about it, and keeping rafa on just shows the potential we have there, not with the current squad, and probably not under the previous setups, but if ashleys shown one thing in his time at the clubs its that when needed he will do what he can to help the club, he just gets it waaaay wrong sometimes. i think hes learnt and his ability to keep rafa at the club shows he can adapt to what the club needs to.
so todays results and again the dym results didnt go to play, was £50 up on them at some point and then crashed, had abit of a "distraction" at the tables, and probably didnt handle it aswell as i could of, which ended in me recieving an email warning me a chat ban would follow if i carried on. theres more to the story but its not for the forum, and it wont happen again.. anyway this proved to be a costly distraction and i crashed in the dyms ending -£10.50. however i had yet another cracking day on the mtt's winning a £5.75 £500 gtd tourney, and coming 2nd in an £11 £500 gtd bh, i should of probably won the later as i had about a 3:1 chip lead but i played shockingly bad and my opponent punished me for it, so wp to him.
In Response to Re: RLT's diary: The long grind : like me newcastle will bounce straight back up ive got no doubt about it, and keeping rafa on just shows the potential we have there, not with the current squad, and probably not under the previous setups, but if ashleys shown one thing in his time at the clubs its that when needed he will do what he can to help the club, he just gets it waaaay wrong sometimes. i think hes learnt and his ability to keep rafa at the club shows he can adapt to what the club needs to. Posted by RLT16
I agree, that's the spirit!! Good luck on the tables today.
In Response to Re: RLT's diary: The long grind : like me newcastle will bounce straight back up ive got no doubt about it, and keeping rafa on just shows the potential we have there, not with the current squad, and probably not under the previous setups, but if ashleys shown one thing in his time at the clubs its that when needed he will do what he can to help the club, he just gets it waaaay wrong sometimes. i think hes learnt and his ability to keep rafa at the club shows he can adapt to what the club needs to. Posted by RLT16
I agree, that's the spirit!! Good luck on the tables today.
Really really impressed with your reaction to that bad night Lee. Don't know how you get away with putting those kind of hours in as well Good luck in Vegas Posted by Jac35
cheers paul, hoping i can replicate your result last year would be more than happy with that!
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Going back to that KTs hand for a bit of maths on the situation.
If they only have a really tight calling range (say top 7% of hands) then you gain on average 1.39bb every time you shove (compared with folding) which seems a significant amount. If they call a bit wider - say 20% of hands, then we gain 0.86bb on average.
However, limping this hand probably has a decent expectation post-flop. When we limp, lets assume villain shoves 20% and we have to fold. So we lose 1bb 20% of the time (0.2bb) When we limp and see a flop, lets assume we win ~ 1bb on average (seems reasonable) - that means when we limp and he checks back we will win 0.8bb on avg. Making a total profit of 0.6bb on avg when we limp. (this is ofc just a complete guestimate, but it's certainly going to be a plausible amount)
Which makes limping 0.26bb worse than jamming against someone that has a decently wide calling range. I think that amount is small enough that we prefer limping due to ICM considerations against most villains. If they are calling really tight though such that the difference between limping and checking is 0.8bb then I don't think we should pass up that much chip +ev and should prefer jamming. Alternatively, if they are shoving really wide over limps but still calling a normal amount then jamming again is preferable.
m-r (or some other amount raise) and folding I dislike against almost all villains. They would have to be shoving a range very tight and similar to their calling range for this to be the best option. A 7.1% calling range for reference is AQo+, KQo+, 88+, ATs+, KTs+ - I think most villains with this calling range will end up jamming some suited Ax down to A8 at least, non-suited up to AT, QJs and 55+ facing a m-r. Which I think doesn't make it the best option, but not got time to do any maths on that right now.
Summary: You played it fine, but limping is probably better against a lot of villains.
Gl with the prio grind, should be well do able with 6 days to go. Will nearly double your roll and enable you to comfortably play 5's n 10's, you will be back to the 1k mark in no time I'm sure.
Gl fella.
well played yesterday.