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Phantom's Practice Perms

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  • Phantom66Phantom66
    edited June 2017
    Been tweaking. Haven't looked at anyone elses yet but as soon as I have posted I will be checking coverage and selections of others to see how I compare. 

    Selections...

      29th June Newbury        
    £0.10 per line PLACEPOT ENTRIES      
                 
    TIME Sel 1 Sel 2 Sel 3 Sel 4 Sel 5 Sel 6
    17.50 Pursuing Steed Delfie Lane Diable d'Or Sarangoo Danecase  
    18.20 Queen of Kalahari One for June Magic Applause Lexington Grace    
    18.50 Time Change Angel of the South She Believes The Mums Mahaarat So Crafty
    19.25 Pilgrim's Treasure Sporting Times Wannabe Friends Hollywood Road Boycie  
    20.00 Dance Teacher Canford Tor Badenscloth Heart of Gold Raj Balaraaj  
    20.30 Deeds not words Swanton Blue Showmethewayavrilo Delegate This Lord Indian Affair  
    Above would cost £1500 to place!

    PERMS...

      PERM              
      1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
                     
    17.50 12 13 23 234 1 15 14 12
    18.20 12 1 13 12 14 1 12 23
    18.50 12 234 13 15 235 146 24 15
    19.25 12 13 14 1 23 14 125 1
    20.00 12 13 234 14 12 15 2 13
    20.30 12 15 1 23 12 14 13 234
                     
    Lines 64 48 48 48 48 48 48 48
          Lines 400        
          COST £40.00        


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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited June 2017
    whey hey mate up in all and a couple with two after one race.
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  • Phantom66Phantom66
    edited June 2017
    TY.

    Feeling vulnerable for the 2nd given the nature of the race and the fact I have favoured the 4th in the betting on my thinnest line of selections. 
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited June 2017
    just about to put the mockers on you but reckon you ok in second leg, you have the ones with the best chaces all covered, you could get 1,2,3

    Sienna Says the danger
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  • StayOrGoStayOrGo
    edited June 2017
    Here's your equity calculator:
    EQUITY PERM 1 PERM 2 PERM 3 PERM 4 PERM 5 PERM 6 PERM 7 PERM TOTAL










    PERM COST £6.40 £4.80 £4.80 £4.80 £4.80 £4.80 £4.80 £4.80 £40.00










    EQUITY BEFORE START £4.48 £3.36 £3.36 £3.36 £3.36 £3.36 £3.36 £3.36 £28.00










    AFTER LEG 1 £7.05 £2.64 £2.64 £1.76 £5.29 £2.64 £2.64 £5.29 £29.95
    AFTER LEG 2








    AFTER LEG 3








    AFTER LEG 4








    AFTER LEG 5








    AFTER LEG 6








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  • StayOrGoStayOrGo
    edited June 2017
    It's like buying a new car, you lose 30% as soon as you drive it out of the showroom.

    In the car's case it's mainly the VAT, in your case, it's the 30% that they take out the pool.

    So you need to make 4% per leg to catch up.

    The first leg you made 1.07%, but at least it is positive. GL!

    G
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  • Phantom66Phantom66
    edited June 2017
    Well the gamble on leg 2 paid off at least
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited June 2017
    still in seven mate
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  • StayOrGoStayOrGo
    edited June 2017
    A good LEG 2, and you are now already +EV:

    Your £40 outlay has a current worth of £52.93, which is great as it means you have already covered the 30% margin and some.

     
    EQUITY PERM 1 PERM 2 PERM 3 PERM 4 PERM 5 PERM 6 PERM 7 PERM 8 TOTAL










    PERM COST £6.40 £4.80 £4.80 £4.80 £4.80 £4.80 £4.80 £4.80 £40.00










    EQUITY BEFORE START £4.48 £3.36 £3.36 £3.36 £3.36 £3.36 £3.36 £3.36 £28.00










    AFTER LEG 1 £7.05 £2.64 £2.64 £1.76 £5.29 £2.64 £2.64 £5.29 £29.95
    AFTER LEG 2 £12.46 £9.34 £4.67 £3.11 £9.34 £9.34 £4.67 £0.00 £52.93
    AFTER LEG 3








    AFTER LEG 4








    AFTER LEG 5








    AFTER LEG 6









    G
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  • StayOrGoStayOrGo
    edited June 2017
    Hopefully the above table is making sense to you P66. If you want me to explain further or have any questions, fire away.

    Virtual GL!

    G
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  • StayOrGoStayOrGo
    edited June 2017
    To assist with potentially adding formulas I have added the pool totals to the end column:

     
    EQUITY PERM 1 PERM 2 PERM 3 PERM 4 PERM 5 PERM 6 PERM 7 PERM 8 TOTAL POOL/UNITS LEFT











    PERM COST £6.40 £4.80 £4.80 £4.80 £4.80 £4.80 £4.80 £4.80 £40.00 £75,291.28











    EQUITY BEFORE START £4.48 £3.36 £3.36 £3.36 £3.36 £3.36 £3.36 £3.36 £28.00 £54,963.00











    AFTER LEG 1 £7.05 £2.64 £2.64 £1.76 £5.29 £2.64 £2.64 £5.29 £29.95 £49,878.79
    AFTER LEG 2 £12.46 £9.34 £4.67 £3.11 £9.34 £9.34 £4.67 £0.00 £52.93 £14,119.18
    AFTER LEG 3









    AFTER LEG 4









    AFTER LEG 5









    AFTER LEG 6










    The top right column,  (£75,291.28) is the pool BEFORE deduction, the one underneath it, (£54,963.00) is the pool AFTER deduction, the figures in the right column, under that are the actual units left.

    The formula to calculate the equity is as follows: POOL AFTER DEDUCTION/UNITS LEFT* NUMBER OF LINES LEFT IN THE PERM * UNIT STAKE.

    Is that something you can work with P66? Shall I email spreadsheet?
    Cheers,

    G
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  • Phantom66Phantom66
    edited June 2017
    Still in 5 after 3.

    Following on phone and have been backing my no1 pick each race so i can watch it. Making a real profit at least.

    Bound to bok it now as my nap is up next.
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Phantom's Practice Perms:
    Still in 5 after 3. Following on phone and have been backing my no1 pick each race so i can watch it. Making a real profit at least. Bound to bok in now as my nap is up next.
    Posted by Phantom66
    WELL DONE AND HAVE FAITH
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  • Phantom66Phantom66
    edited June 2017
    Yes please to email of sheet G. Wont be able to look at it until later though.
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  • MISTY4MEMISTY4ME
    edited June 2017
    WELL DONE PHANTS.... KEEP IT UP MATE.

    Dilemma.......

    I've backed PURSUING STEED 3/1 and TIME CHANGE 11/4 and my NAP PILGRIM'S TREASURE 11/4 in an e/w treble


    Can CASH OUT for £35 or think i get £15 for 2nd or 3rd ....or £135 if it wins..... hmmmmmmm



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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Phantom's Practice Perms:
    WELL DONE PHANTS.... KEEP IT UP MATE. Dilemma....... I've backed PURSUING STEED 3/1 and TIME CHANGE 11/4 and my NAP PILGRIM'S TREASURE 11/4 in an e/w treble Can CASH OUT for £35 or think i get £15 for 2nd or 3rd ....or £135 if it wins..... hmmmmmmm
    Posted by MISTY4ME
    Good luck mate I had them both but didn't put them together really hope you get it . Now Time Change same owners of  Time Charter now she was some horse wasn't she.
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  • StayOrGoStayOrGo
    edited June 2017
    LEG 3 not great equity wise:
    EQUITY PERM 1 PERM 2 PERM 3 PERM 4 PERM 5 PERM 6 PERM 7 PERM 8 TOTAL POOL/UNITS LEFT











    PERM COST £6.40 £4.80 £4.80 £4.80 £4.80 £4.80 £4.80 £4.80 £40.00 £75,291.28











    EQUITY BEFORE START £4.48 £3.36 £3.36 £3.36 £3.36 £3.36 £3.36 £3.36 £28.00 £54,963.00











    AFTER LEG 1 £7.05 £2.64 £2.64 £1.76 £5.29 £2.64 £2.64 £5.29 £29.95 £49,878.79
    AFTER LEG 2 £12.46 £9.34 £4.67 £3.11 £9.34 £9.34 £4.67 £0.00 £52.93 £14,119.18
    AFTER LEG 3 £12.29 £0.00 £4.61 £3.07 £0.00 £6.15 £0.00 £0.00 £26.12 £7,153.65
    AFTER LEG 4









    AFTER LEG 5









    AFTER LEG 6









    G
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  • StayOrGoStayOrGo
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Phantom's Practice Perms:
    Yes please to email of sheet G. Wont be able to look at it until later though.
    Posted by Phantom66
    Will do. I will complete it up to LEG 6 first, then email it to you.

    G
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  • MISTY4MEMISTY4ME
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Phantom's Practice Perms:
    In Response to Re: Phantom's Practice Perms : Good luck mate I had them both but didn't put them together really hope you get it . Now Time change daughter of Time charter now she was some horse wasn't she.
    Posted by vaigret
    Oh yes....TIME CHARTER was BRILLIANT

    think TIME CHANGE is actually grand daughter but she looks pretty good. TIG TOG same owners as TIGGY WIGGY also named after owners daughter looked a surefire winner


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  • StayOrGoStayOrGo
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Phantom's Practice Perms:
    Still in 5 after 3. Following on phone and have been backing my no1 pick each race so i can watch it. Making a real profit at least. Bound to bok it now as my nap is up next.
    Posted by Phantom66
    I make it just 4, have I gone wrong? Perms 1,3,4 and 6 still live.

    Have I missed one somewhere?

    G
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  • StayOrGoStayOrGo
    edited June 2017
    Saw a post that's gone from you Vaigret. Didn't perm 2 bust LEG 3?
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Phantom's Practice Perms:
    Saw a post that's gone from you Vaigret. Didn't perm 2 bust LEG 3?
    Posted by StayOrGo
    yes you did Graham and after posting I thought I had better double check  and

    no you were right all along Graham I mAde same error as Phantom
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  • Phantom66Phantom66
    edited June 2017
    I expect I am wrong hard to follow on phone. Much easier when i can tick them off spreadsheet.


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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited June 2017
    I think he is still in four with perm 3 & 6 having two places in 7.25
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  • MISTY4MEMISTY4ME
    edited June 2017
    sigh........ nearly.

    Decided to let it run coz extra place race so 4 places out of 11 runners for place part of treble and good chance of win too as horse was backed.... and it was using my £5 SKY FREE BET.

    Madea profit at least.

    GOOD LUCK with PLACEPOT PHANTS.... I still feel that shortish priced horses in multi perms won't be cost effective , but I'm interested to see if I'm proved wrong. I'd always prefer doing 1 perm with a BANKER, or 2 or 3 in each race. 
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  • StayOrGoStayOrGo
    edited June 2017
    Right combos in right perms for LEG 4 P66. Some colour coding to assist. RED is where you bust, BLUE = through, YELLOW a double up.

     
    EQUITY PERM 1 PERM 2 PERM 3 PERM 4 PERM 5 PERM 6 PERM 7 PERM 8 TOTAL POOL/UNITS LEFT











    PERM COST £6.40 £4.80 £4.80 £4.80 £4.80 £4.80 £4.80 £4.80 £40.00 £75,291.28











    EQUITY BEFORE START £4.48 £3.36 £3.36 £3.36 £3.36 £3.36 £3.36 £3.36 £28.00 £54,963.00











    AFTER LEG 1 £7.05 £2.64 £2.64 £1.76 £5.29 £2.64 £2.64 £5.29 £29.95 £49,878.79
    AFTER LEG 2 £12.46 £9.34 £4.67 £3.11 £9.34 £9.34 £4.67 £0.00 £52.93 £14,119.18
    AFTER LEG 3 £12.29 £0.00 £4.61 £3.07 £0.00 £6.15 £0.00 £0.00 £26.12 £7,153.65
    AFTER LEG 4 £12.02 £0.00 £9.02 £6.01 £0.00 £12.02 £0.00 £0.00 £39.07 £3,656.92
    AFTER LEG 5









    AFTER LEG 6









    G
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  • Phantom66Phantom66
    edited June 2017
    Oh dear. BUSTIO.

    Thanks for the illustrations G.
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  • StayOrGoStayOrGo
    edited June 2017
    UL in LEG 5, that's my nemesis LEG too.

    I am sure you don't need to see this, but just so you can see what happened in each LEG.

    UL m8
    EQUITY PERM 1 PERM 2 PERM 3 PERM 4 PERM 5 PERM 6 PERM 7 PERM 8 TOTAL POOL/UNITS LEFT











    PERM COST £6.40 £4.80 £4.80 £4.80 £4.80 £4.80 £4.80 £4.80 £40.00 £75,291.28











    EQUITY BEFORE START £4.48 £3.36 £3.36 £3.36 £3.36 £3.36 £3.36 £3.36 £28.00 £54,963.00











    AFTER LEG 1 £7.05 £2.64 £2.64 £1.76 £5.29 £2.64 £2.64 £5.29 £29.95 £49,878.79
    AFTER LEG 2 £12.46 £9.34 £4.67 £3.11 £9.34 £9.34 £4.67 £0.00 £52.93 £14,119.18
    AFTER LEG 3 £12.29 £0.00 £4.61 £3.07 £0.00 £6.15 £0.00 £0.00 £26.12 £7,153.65
    AFTER LEG 4 £12.02 £0.00 £9.02 £6.01 £0.00 £12.02 £0.00 £0.00 £39.07 £3,656.92
    AFTER LEG 5 £0.00 £0.00 £0.00 £0.00 £0.00 £0.00 £0.00 £0.00 £0.00 N/A
    AFTER LEG 6 £0.00 £0.00 £0.00 £0.00 £0.00 £0.00 £0.00 £0.00 £0.00 N/A
    I'll send you the spreadsheet.

    G
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  • StayOrGoStayOrGo
    edited June 2017
    Hi P66.

    I think I know how to semi automate this.

    I will try and do it later tonight.

    In the meantime if you do anything with it that may assist, please email it to me.

    I will post on this thread when I start to work on it so that we don't duplicate effort.

    Cheers,

    G
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  • StayOrGoStayOrGo
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Phantom's Practice Perms:
    PS Excel tip.... To easily calculate the number of lines in a perm from the table above I use the LEN function which calculates the number of digits (or characters - so will work with ABC) in a cell. So the "Lines" formula, e.g for Perm1 is =LEN(B4)*LEN(B5)*LEN(B6)*LEN(B7)*LEN(B8)*LEN(B9) Where B4 is the cell containing 12 for the 1st Perm and the 2.30 race
    Posted by Phantom66
    Thanks for this, very useful. I just have to watch for trailing spaces and when I choose the FAVOURITE, I just put an X.

    Cheers,

    G
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