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The only question with the hand above, is really should I call or fold, assuming my outs to fh and fd are good.
Is this too big an asuumption?
The one below, I decided the guy on the button was raising almost every pot. So to build the pot, rather than raising myself, I wud limp raise. On the flop, I reckon my hand is strong enough to stack off?
On the flop i figure i may be behind to j9 but think im good with the flush draw, although essentially was a gamble as not played a pot and had to be back at work. Still would like advise, personally i dont mind the pre call. then that flop is good for me so i have gone all in knowing i could also hit although not the nut straight should i have just folded here or called? i think i made the right play as i just wanted to have a gamble this once, but im guessing talon would have folded to flop bet as he said he had the nuts on the flop? also think i had a straight flush possibilty although wba had 1 of those outs which i didnt know
TP TK, U/D SD.....
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Knowing Talon he has nut flush draw and maybe top pair top kicker to go with or two pair
Apart from the obvious omission of the possibility of an overset and better flush draw as well as nut straight in your opponents hand you played this perfectly. As it was you were right about all your draws being live which gave you 17 winning outs and 2 more for the split which makes you about 2 to 1 to win the pot. You called off £2-36 to win a pot of £7-60 which is better than 2 to 1 so it was the correct call mathematically in this situation.
Just be aware of the possibility that your opponent might not have a totally dead hand at this point and have redraws as well.
Yes the guy was playing a very aggro game both pre and post flop with some very marginal holdings and you decided to make a stand against him here.If you are going to make a stand this is the perfect hand to do so with 5 nut drawing hands and 1 second nut drawing. For perfections sake it would have been better double suited but still a very strong hand.
You hit the flop very hard with the only weakness being the lack of flush draw. You made the correct call again and got unlucky that is all. With the way he was playing at that time being prepared to pot commit himself with a weak holding preflop and then shoving with a 7 high flush draw it shows the correctness of your play.
On a side note this hand perfectly displays what i have been preaching for a long time. Hands like KQT9( preferably double suited) are brilliant preflop holdings and are ideal raising or calling hands. Too much time preflop raising is based on pocket pairs and nothing else which is marginal at best whereas i would like to see more preflop action with this type of great starting hand.
Cant remember it exactly but knowing my ranges i cant see me betting that flop with less than nut flush draw. If you think it through oesd vs flush draw, flush has 9 outs and oesd has only 6(losing 2 to flushing cards).So for that reason you dont want to play those draws against eachother.
When i bet out and get raised this becomes the easiest fold in the world for you because i would think that a set is definately likely with this betting as well.
The thing to remember when playing omaha is that your hand will consist of 2 cards from your hand and 3 from the board. Unlike in holdem where you can play any combination of board and hand cards.For future playing adjust your options so it shows you what hand you actually have, this will make it a lot easier for you to follow
A hand I just played on our current table. I've seen villain in hand play a little close to NLHE. In one hand he called a flop bet with 2nd pair and a 5 high Club draw, called another bet after turning an additional OESD, and called a river bet when he made trips. Definitely got the impression that he's capable of calling down fairly light.
The other question, as played, can I check back here? It seems very likely now that he just has a 3, so can I give him a free chance at making a weaker FH? If I should bet, how much should it be, considering my stack is slightly more than the pot? Should I have made it £1.20 on the flop to make the pot bigger hence meaning an all-in < pot size on the turn?
In answer to your hand.as you can tell there was an early position min bet which i called( with KK by the way). Then the villain raise it up. First we have to think about his range for this , this includes any3(possibly 33), overpair or bad raise with a 7.You have flopped the second nuts and you need to find out exactly where you are in the hand so you were right to raise it up to assertain your position in the hand and remove any possible callers with overpairs like me.As soon as he flat calls behind you know you are a mile in front and have him drawing very thin.
Now if we are putting him on a 3 then he is drawing to a house or quads.You want him to hit the house but not quads so you have to take away the odds of hitting the 1 outer and the only way to do this is to bet the turn.Your hand is not invulnerable so needs some protection.Your options are limited by being in position and i feel the bet was correct. Out of position a weak bet or check could be used to lure him into betting.
The main thing is you played it spot on and picked up a nice size pot very easily with no effort and got paid 25BB off of a guy just because he had a 3 in his hand.
Bajillion outs right??
4 3's
3 4's
3 5's
3 8's
3 9's and
4 T's Giving you a grand total of 20 nut drawing outs. Perfect spot for you to be in with 2 cards to come but watch out for the redraws.
I know you say not to min-raise i forgot and was pot building thinking my 2 pair was good
not got time to x out apologise for those involved
Flop: straightening board and weak lead bet.
Turn: Very straightening and now flushing , again identical weak lead bet, followed by weak raise.
River: now a housing board. and yet again a weak lead bet.
I am struggling to put him on any type of hand whatsoever because of the bet sizing. Flopped set would bet stronger flop and turn to protect from redraws so difficult to put him there. Betting on a draw seems unlikely because of the flat call to your raise and then the weak lead out to the card that busts all the draws.The only thing i can possibly put him on on this hand is a badly played flopped set or a very badly played over pair to the board as no other possible holding makes sense on that board as it is played. You are losing to both of these holding so i believe you made the right fold.
As to your play. I like the flat on the flop with nut redraws. The raise on the turn is awful either pot raise, call or fold as the min raise does nothing but pot build in a hand where you are not sure where you are.The fold on the river is good because you are only beating a complete bluff which i can not see as being held here.As bad as your play on the turn was titch's was worse because he committed himself for half of his stack to a bet and a raise and was willing to fold the river.
Very strange hand and would be interesting to find out his holdings to see what the bet were about because they made very little sense on an ever changing board.To get to the river 3 handed with strength being shown on all streets the pot was still very small compared to what it should have been and that is why any possible reads are impossible.
looking back the min re-raise was where i got stuck i should have potted then could fold happily or could have taken pot or had a better idea. dont think they post in the forum unfortunately so doubt well ever know
Only hand i lost over £5 in omaha yesterday and still had a good sesh winning wise
on the re-raise on the flop wasn't really getting the odds although implied odds Turn gives me 4 more outs and but not really a fave against any hands here so silly call. Lookin back i would say get rid after raise on flop, silly me!
That being said you took the turn, and the card came down that at first glance looked good but was in fact just about the worst card possible because it didnt really improve your hand by much. Now if the card had have been a Ten then that would have been different because you would have had the full wrap straight draw to go with your nut flush draw. As played the turn is an instafold.
But i think you have realised all of this anyway
When playinf HU PLO the button/SB has 2 sensible options raise or fold, calling is very bad. This is because if you are going to play the hand you want to make the pot worthwhile and a limped pot will take too long to get to a sensible level.
Flop. he has bottom set and OESD and bets pot which you call with a very weak second pair. Perfect by him loose by you.
Turn . He now has the boat and bets pot again. You call a weak trips and 6 outs to win the pot. You called getting 2 to 1 odds when you were about 7 to 1 to win the pot. Again perfect by him and loose/unbelieving by you.
River. You hit your miracle card and get paid off but the question is should you even have been in the pot at this stage.
In conclusion apart from not raising preflop he played it perfectly. You however kept calling all the way either by being a non-believer or hoping to get lucky and you did by hitting runner runner to outdraw him.
I was wondering if you would be able to recommend any books about playing Omaha cash games?
I do pretty well on the £3.30 DYM's and play little else, but the dynamics of those are very different from cash (or even stt/mtt's), and I could do with some pointers to help me out.
Unfortunately i am unable to recommend any books to you at all on the subject of omaha due to the fact that i have never read one on the subject being totally self taught.
As far as playing PLO on the various structures, STT MTT and cash. I will always err on the side of cash. PLO is a game of flops and streets and therefore in my opinion does not tranfer well into any fast blind structure where preflop aggro becomes paramount.With cash you can much easier make correct calls with the odds chasing down the streets.As long as you make sure you sit down with a full pull up you can give yourself full licence to play every hand properly.
If there is anything you want to know feel free to ask either on this thread or if you find me on a table, as anyone will tell you i am always willing to help. My desire is to increase the knowledge,ability and enjoyment of any player in this wonderful variant of the game.