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I do not and never have agreed with this industry perpetuated and accepted myth. But heck, its all there in the back catalogue
Elsadog really is the most informed and researched on the subject. I wonder if, given the last month or so, he will expand upon this for you?
All hail the dog! Only person to ever be reverse doomswitched
I think I'm right that you only play live now, and I think I know your reasons but you seem to spend an awful lot of time on site....... do you never think " I'll just stick a tenner in and have a game"
I have beyond hidious online BR managment. I could run 10 up to 200k and still find a way to lose it back. My self control online doesnt exhist. This, more than the variance of the game, is what made me give up online seriously. Because winning is meaningless to me as - with the virtual nature of online - its intangible. Meaning I could have 200k in my online account but its a ghost. Live I can take my stack to the cashier and its money in my hand. This is an oversimplification but it is the truth in a very real way.
Until I fix that problem then its pointless for me to play. My poker strategy and knowledge is stronger than its ever been. But my self control is weaker than ever online. I do not have the ability to exercise BR managment online. If I did, I'd be doing well. I'm compulsive and habitual and am not sure that I can change that.
I'll give you an example. On a site that has 3 numbers as its logo I ran $50 up to about $1700 3 times on seperate days this month. Then lost it all on evening or morning sessions on same day. My Live BR is easily managed by going out with capped amounts.
BR managment TRULY is the key to a successful online poker life. Because of how my poker adventures started I dont think I have the capacity to do this. (I ran $400 up to 30k @ FT very quickly then lost it back....quickly, shocker
I love poker. But manage myself better - financially and skillsetwise - Live. I hope that changes at some point. I've reached out to a few coaches as some things you cant fix on your own. As Peter Jetton said (think it was Jetton), "You cant teach yourself algebra".
Probably a longer answer than you wanted but there it is
But until I get a better handle on my compulsiveness I do need to take a back seat online. Live I always go out with 3 and half buy ins. Easily managed. But BRM is the key to success. I feel like I have a huge edge over any current players I sit with. But an edge isnt enough mif your maxing out your BR continually.
Its like betting 66% of the board in roulette. Your going to win in the mean. But winning compounds the compulsion equalling a larger loss in long run. If your willing to keep betting beyond your BR you are ALWAYSALWAYSALWAYS going to go broke, no matter how well you play or how much of a heater your on.
Probably showing my ignorance here but couldnt you just deposit 3-4 bi's at a time and rathole anything over say 10. Try it as an exercise...a step1 if you like. With.draw b/r at night, deposit again in the morning.ement like. God help the postman with your bank stat
I've come to have a sense of humour about it. Understanding the cause of it is liberating. You would be surprised (or maybe not) how many great players there are out there who are perma broke through poor BRM.
He has a succssful business so the money isnt a huge issue to him. But I kind of think I'd resent it. One of the worst days of poker I've had was at DTD Nottingham about 3 years ago. Went with a good friend to play 1/2 and took £750. Ashamed to say I lost my BI's super quick at roulette during a experimental phase. He ended up staking me for the tournament next day, which I won. I ended up having to give hime 5,6k cash which hugely p/i/ssed me off and ruined our friendship.
So am not eager to go down the same route.
I'm confident I'll figure it out on my own at some point. My live roll is healthy these days though.
It was brilliant, this interweb freaks me out, I've just had a virtual Friday night. If you've followed this thread you'll already know that I've had a bit chat with the lads, fell out, made up, said goodnight but then ............
...........I went off to the freeroll club............alone...........
Full of myself, I make my mouth go (Raise) This bloke offers me outside (All in) I accept the duel (Call). As ever 2 lasses (QQ) get involved. Before I know it there's another lass involved. True to life my mate turns up when the fight's over and as ever, I've been knocked out.
Look at this hand while I go for a kebab...........it is Friday night
As i am sure you're aware you will be dealt pocket aces every 221 hands (approx.) so if your play 100 hands per hour you will get aces once every 2hrs and 5- 10 mins (approx) if you play only 50hands per hour you get aces every 4hrs 10-20 mins (approx) it is not industry perpetuated, it is a basic knowledge of the odds and probabilities.
When calculating probabilities for a card game such as Texas Hold 'em, there are two basic approaches. The first approach is to determine the number of outcomes that satisfy the condition being evaluated and divide this by the total number of possible outcomes. For example, there are six outcomes (ignoring order) for being dealt a pair of aces in Hold' em: {A♣, A♥}, {A♣, A♠}, {A♣, A♦}, {A♥, A♠}, {A♥, A♦} and {A♠, A♦}. There are 52 ways to pick the first card and 51 ways to pick the second card and two ways to order the two cards yielding possible outcomes when being dealt two cards (also ignoring order). This gives a probability of being dealt two aces of .
Also these probabilties are not 100% as you could play (real world or online) and be dealt aces 3 or 4 times in 1 hr, it does happen, or you could play for 4-6 hour and never get a pocket pair, it has happened to me both real world and online, and if your thinking that poker sites just want your money, then yes they do, as do real world, brick and mortar, whatever you want to call them, do, but they all have regulations that they have to adhere to.
If you played "live" and got beat, you put it down to bad luck, but if you lose online, it's the site somehow trying to scam you.
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What I dont agree with is the accepted perception that there are more BB's online simply as a result of a higher ratio of hph. Meaning that there ARENT more BB's relative to the ratio of hands played. The accepted standard is that this is just narrow minded peoples PERCEPTION, as they dont account for the higher hph and therefore higher quantity of BB's, but this remains relative to standard action. This accepted propaganda is what I dont agree with. People easily argue that individuals retain memories of BB's far longer than their standard winning hands. Its probably true for a portion, but not all. I think its a sweeping blanket piece of propoganda that holds no real truth.
Been through all this way back. But heck, simply my belief nothing else.
The reason I didnt want to open this particular can of worms is that its a widely misunderstood and mis represented issue. That people are happy to perpetuate without really understanding the implications behind it. I've never said that a site is trying to scam anyone. But I do think as customers of a potentially corruptable INDUSTRY it is appropriate and healthy for consumers to discuss issues that they fear pose a potential issue.
I honestly dont care if online poiker is corrupt or not. I do care that people who dare discuss elements of potential corruption are treated like they are idiots or crazy, belonging in the A51 crazy persons place.
UltimateBets corruption brought to light by a poker forum. Fulltilt shut down to deceitful and corrupt practices. Other huge scandals. Yet people treat people who dare raise questions as though they are quering an untaintable entity. It just hugely blows my mind how narrow minded people can be.
Again I dont have a firm opinion on the matter of the integrity of online. I do have issues with people who think that online poker remains beyond reproach. I do have issues with people who think its ok to mock and diminish others POVs who appropriately breach the subject.
A persons belief/perspective should be made up from a huge wealth of source material, not hands in isolation. Of course bad beats happen live. Of course tey happen online. BB's are an integral part of poker. Tournaments wouldnt end otherwise
I simply dont like, nor have ever liked, the way people are treated when asking appropriate questions. Yes many dont have a clue what they are talking about, their rants showing there inexperience and naivity. But that doesnt mean people should be scorned and mocked, or their opionions rendered meaningless by others who sit on the fence who are equally uninformed