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annoying that it wasn't noticed that GB was straddling and not minraising UTG with K3o etc.
Burland looks up for the game, figured is is hampered tho by Redmond sitting behind waiting tho.
really think action will kick off once that stacks start going in and people are 1k+ deeper. then you'll see some action.
can't really remember the action by Burland made a big call v Thew with just A high? Can we get the HH of that up Mr Sky Dave?
Saturday 25th night/ Sunday morning @ 2am
Sunday 26th @ 2pm
Monday 27th @ 5pm
Monday 27th night/ Tuesday morning @ 2am
Wednesday 29th @ midday
Thursday 30th @ midnight
Friday 1st July @ 21:00
using a "sandwich" technique...
i think it will become a really good show. it was great to see how they play.
the only suggestion is that it would be good to upgrade the graphics. resizing the display showing six hands to five and resizing again to four is distracting, disorientating and unnecessary. furthermore, the position and style of these graphics is catering too much for those who have 4:3 televisions and consequently are too big, clumsy and central for 16:9 viewers. the red tickertape at the bottom interferes with the displayed graphics at all times. and the definition of the graphics is quite furry.
it was good to watch. great stuff.
n Response to Re: UK Cash Game - Official Show Discussion Thread:
Was the £500 stake money their own money or were the Sky Poker Team players staked for this by Sky Poker?
not a great deal of entertainment or exciting hands. only exciting person to watch was Reds and thats cos his a bit looser than the other nits.
i think they should of sat abit deeper imo.
hope episode 2 is more exciting
There was no 'obvious use'. Its a standard thing that all poker shows have. Even shows that are sponsered by Party/FTP/Stars will be filled with players who are badged up by rival sites.
My suggestions:
8/9 handed would be fun
have a mix of ability in the players. you need a couple of loose businessmen/some pros/some good recreational players/total unknowns.
GET ME ON THERE
some of the play was boring as they showed every hand. most other tv poker shows edit them so we only see the big pots and not the standard button raise getting thru the blinds etc.
As for the Wayne straddle- it was an unfortunate thing that our graphics were not compatible with it. The graphics would say immediately that he had min-raised UTG instead of announcing the straddle. And that's what Tikay and I had to go on when we saw the footage for the first time weeks later and had to effectively commentate live over it because we were up against it time-wise and didn't have the luxury to do take after take.
But apologies regardless for this oversight and I hope Wayne doesn't think he's been disrespected in any way. He knows full well what Tikay and I think of him as a man and as a player. He oozes class.
As for exciting hands- it's poker of course, so they only happen every now and then in a real game. And we wanted to give you what you generally don't tend to get in these type of shows- largely unedited hand-for-hand action rather than the chopped-up highlights of just the AA v KK hands.
:-)
Loved the show last night redmond was playing excellent and was thoroughly enjoyable and so refreshing to see cash action that i could imagine average joes sitting at similar blind level tables rather than the millions you see on other shows though entertaining id rather watch people grinding like its a normal day at the office
Also, why was the buy-in so tiny? I am used to watching £100K BI games on TV, so this just looked like a few mates on a kitchen table - just being honest.
Cheers
FH
I too have a similar issue with the sound as one of the other posters noted; I had to stick my telly upto 40 at 2am in the morning (Sky+'d it) to try and pick up what the players were saying. Rich and TK were very aware during their commentary that people would like to hear the players' banter and kept respectfully quiet most of the time, so I hope that the sound will be adjusted for the second show edit?
Regarding playing higher stakes: It was something we could have considered doing but in my opinion I would rather watch a Sky Poker show which relates to the players we have on this site and cash levels we can aspire to play. Sure you don't get to see a million pound pot in this show, but isn't Sky Poker a bit more of a Community focused thing than that? It was great see some of our TSP members in there mixing it with some of the biggest names in UK poker, imo, and credit should be given to them. Cranking the blinds up to £25/50 or £50/100 would have excluded the opportunity for some Sky Poker players, I believe.
Some of you mention that you found the show a little dull at times. Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course, and I can understand why some would rather watch 'crash, bang, wallop!' poker.
I actually think it was more interesting for showing as many of the hands as possible. If we go the other route and edit out the 'dull' hands and only show the action ones, it's taking the game and skewing it. Imagine if we saw a hand where Wayne had got a guy to stack off pre- with TT. We know Wayne's image on the whole is quite tight, so we'd up in arms saying "how can that guy stack off vs Wayne like that?". In the show he got off to quite a frisky start - editing out those hands which set his table image up like that would risk understanding and appreciating the bigger hand.
When you're playing live cash, the vast majority of the hands are quite dull and uneventful. The skill is noticing the betting patterns, how the image of each of the players evolves and where you're at in this particular moment.
Watching this show kinda felt like I was doing the same thing. Reds was definitely the most aggro player at the table, but did you see how that came about. Didn't do too much early doors, then seemed (in my opinion) to tangle with Jamie a little more than the others. Not sure why that would be the case - or if it was true at all - but was certainly how I perceived it. I found that bit to be fun.
Then there was Wayne and his 'straddling'. This was at the very start of the session and there was some disagreement amongst players and production as to whether the software 'liked' straddling. It sometimes looked like he was raising UTG rather than straddling and that meant Tikay and Orford followed the graphics. A very tricky one to tell apart, and it was resolved later in the recording so you should find this becomes less of an issue.
As an aside, I thought Wayne actually did min-raise a couple of pots and I was in the studio at the time! I might be wrong, I might also be falling in the same trap as the commentary, but I am 90% sure he did get a bit jiggy. It was hard to tell at times, honestly. If I'm wrong I am sure GB will come and slap me around the head, either on the thread or in person!
Feedback on graphics and so on will be noted by Claire and her team. They do appreciate constructive criticism and feedback, so keep it coming and that gives them even more to work with
Finally, I'd like to say that none of us - viewers, players or production alike - should forget this was our first ever attempt at this format. Live poker has some interesting challenges which were being tackled for the first time (such as getting Nik Persaud a cup of tea!), and I thought the effort was a very admirable one on all sides. The players were consummate and worked with the crew when needed to stop some of the action, straighten out sound or lighting, etc. When you're just wanting to play cards, it can be a little jarring. Not one of the players made an objection throughout the two days. Props for that.
The show is an ambitious project by Sky Poker but one I think, with a little tweak here and a play around there, could be one of the best ones to air on Channel 865.
Right, enough from me. The above is my opnion and take on it, and certainly no better than any other views. I'm just chucking them out there for discussion points and to help some of the understanding of what making the UK Cash Game took.
Who's up for Episode 2?
I did enjoy watching it and have watched it 2 and half times since (fell asleep one time but was 2am start P)
I agree it was dull on occasions but i prefer to watch every hand rather then miss out some standard play, it gives a fairer idea of how they all play and also we can all learn from it IMO
Redmond was awesome as ever can you post HH of 82 hand because each time i keep missing did he take it down? vs AK & AJ
I also wanted to mention i think Nick Persuad was a great guest(if i spelt his surname correct?) just in general he was quite entertaining not playing side but instigated most conversations etc.
PS- i'd love to have a go if someone staked me :P
I tuned in to the prog and was confused by the logo in the corner saying "replay" or something similar. i was not sure whether we were supposed to be watching what was being shown or was I watching a prog put on because of a technical fault. Having stuck with it for a while I realised (or guessed) that was the scheduled programme. It was a facinating insight into how the great and good minds work - but i tend to agree with most that the graphics (and the logo? saying replay - or something like that - stopped me getting involved in the way that I wished i could.
I agree it is a brilliant idea - and always good to see "live" players at work - and I hope the glitches are soon ironed out.