"Sit & DOHHHHHHH Diary"

DOHHHHHHH

tyvm again all, chuffed with all the positive comments

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So tonight pretty much sums up what's been happening lately. 

I played abit, and the session was going fine. Yet I was constantly clock watching, feeling uncomfortable in the games, was fidgety and was playing scared. 

It probably is hard to believe but there is no scared money issue, even with the 'new' bankroll I started playing with 2 months ago I am comfortably rolled with around 95 buyins for the games I'm in.

I can't put my finger on what the problem is. I think maybe it comes down to big insecurities in my own game. That's all it can be.

I'm also turning into Devonfish with constantly wanting to 'book the win' all the time

I have an example from tonight, this wasn't a misclick or a time out, I just did not want to lose the £ I had won in the session. 

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
STEVE5516	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£2.82
MR_J	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£8.16
	Your hole cards	A K
DOHHHHHHH	Raise		£0.24	£0.36	£8.47
TVC150	Raise		£1.20	£1.56	£15.26
ordu	Fold
STEVE5516	Fold
MR_J	Fold
DOHHHHHHH	Fold
TVC150

Got no reads on the guy, and I just totally bottled the spot.

If I hadn't clicked the button myself I'd say it's unbelievable!

Unbelievably poor, that's for sure.

I don't even play tight in the games normally (honest).

So I folded that, realised there's no way I can play well in this frame of mind so instantly stood from all tables and gg'd a perfectly fine session

Anyway I got the 'win' I so desperately wanted, as well as the huge sense of frustration and regret that comes with it.

+ £14

+ €6 on unibet earlier today

Takes the spin roll up to £779.50.

I suppose any 'proper' volume right now is good volume, so will just take that and the win as a positive and see what happens next time.

Off to the coast tomorrow for the first time in ages so I will be acquiring a load of chips and demolishing at least 1 giant fish.

Then maybe play some poker afterwards too if I can find some energy & grow some balls.

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Pokertainment link....

http://www.twitch.tv/ruperte/profile

A lot of you might know him or of him (EPT winner) but might not know about his twitch channel.

He's a very entertaining guy, extremely good poker player too and plays the biggest mtts online all the time.

Makes for a good twitch stream!

Phantom66

I guess I don't need to tell you about booking the win, you can just read all of your own advice to Devonfish on his thread for that.

Please keep this diary going but don't put any extra pressure on yourself around posting winning results. Keep the blog general, have a cathartic whine about bad beats or poor play on a losing day not the numbers, and update results less frequently - its the weeks and months that count not the sessions.

If you play (mostly) right and put in the volume you know the results will be there.

GLGLGL

GELDY

welcome back 

sorry to hear of your previous problems & wd/gl with the new you

AK fold / booking the win sounds like you have become too results orientated. In which case stick a post-it on your screen with the words 

"You cannot win if you are not prepared to lose"

& I agree with P66 - don't post daily results - they should be as irrelevant to us as they should be to you - weekly is more than enough. and don't fall into the trap of thinking you are playing/running really badly just because you have a losing week or two. btw wd on standing after folding the AK - always stop playing when you KNOW you are making mistakes.

YoungUn

Hi DOHHHHHHH,

Strong chance you won't remember me, but a good few years ago we used to regularly lock horns on nl30 here. Remember wanting to avoid you as much as possible, and seeing you return to nl4 is a bit of a relief given my very recent switch from there to the DYM grind! I've been back playing here on-and-off for the last year or so without ever really bothering to re-visit the forums - a quick look at this blog and its return and I have a very strong reason to keep coming back. 

Wish you the best with your game and vwp with your off-table battles. 

Edit: Just read that back and don't think it's clear enough that I was trying to be complementary about your play when saying I wanted to avoid you!

MAXALLY

Nice to see your diary back up and running JJ.

Good luck in all you do, and I really hope you succeed....both on, and off the tables. Respect mate.

percival09

ahhhh the only reason I'd ever log on to this forum has finally made a return (lambo's fred sucks) - best of luck and get posting those hhs

NoseyBonk

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Hi  DOHHHHHHH, Strong chance you won't remember me
Posted by YoungUn

'Kin 'ell! Voice from the past!
Welcomes backs

hhyftrftdr

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ty for the kind words tk, Harry, Rik,Splashman et al.  @ Harry, I have glanced up at the 10nl tables once or twice and seen you playing them. You have been in pretty illustrious company with people like Offshoot, Kyzersauze6, borinloaner, dtm, bagpuss etc. It looks an intimidating place to be! Never used to be like that in the old days. Some of those names are playing at 1/200th of the stakes they used to.   I've only had 1 bet on football so far. I was surprised to see Luis Suarez at 33/1 to win the golden boot (or whatever they call it over there) in Spain. I know he's up against the 2 greatest players of my lifetime, possibly of all time, but he's a special player in his own right, 1 or both may get injured for a month or so, and it offers each way value anyway.  I looked today and that 33/1 is long gone, the best currently available is 16/1. I've mentioned Don a few times lately, I do have a bet with him involving your team. He seems to think that LVG will depart from United before Pelligrini leaves City. (no time limit on the bet) I think unless something really strange happens that is an easy tenner for me.  Aside from those 2, i'll also be 'keeping my powder dry' for the weekly price boosts on sky.  They're a recreational mug punters perfect spot.   Looks too good to be true, always gives enough of a sweat and enough occasional wins to keep me coming back, yet shows a long term loss whilst making me think I'm unlucky not to be winning more. So yeh, I'm in. -----  @ Bonk. haha. I shA t myself when I read your comment. Rushed to zoom in on the picture before realising. vwp.   @ Bates. More comedy. He will never play for England again. Unless, he does the right thing and gets himself into division 1 also.  YCCC have most things but they don't have a T20 specialist batting all rounder called Ravinder so I'm sure he'd be welcome up north too.  @ any1 who cares, I did make the call and got shown flopped quads. 2nd funniest result behind AQ I spose ----- Hoping to get a few more hours in tonight. Struggling with real extreme tiredness recently, it's a constant battle to find any sort of energy to do anyting. I've changed my diet alot to try and improve things, completely cutting out sugar (well actual sugar like on cereal/in tea and coffee etc) and stopped eating biscuits/cake/choc.  Doesn't seem to make any difference at all tho. yawwwwwn. Will force myself to play abit. gl all grinding. 
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

Yeah it was a tad of a surprise when some of the names mentioned rocked up at 10nl. Few handy regs at that level too, can give you some tough tables at certain times. I should ditch cash, don't have the discipline to fold 78s UTG

Don might as well cough up that tenner now. It's the worst kept secret in football that we are holding out for Pep, and the fact that both he and Pellers are out of contract at the end of the season just makes it a perfect storm. MP could win the treble this year and he'll still be gone, but apparently he's quite happy not to renew his contract so the situation is agreeable for both parties. Hope he goes out with a bang for us as I do have a soft spot for him.

Hoping Dickov does the business for your boys. Love the guy, for obvious 95th minute based reasons.

DOHHHHHHH

Good Morning. 

Thanks again to Geldy Young en', Alan and P for the supportive posts. 

After a full day away from poker yesterday it's cool to log in and see such replies on here, I was a wee bit nervous about getting it going again in the circumstances. 

Keeping a diary going is difficult at times so it's nice to be reminded that people will be reading even if there are periods when not many are posting, so thanks alot again. 

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The trip to the coast was postponed yesterday, (potentially until tomorrow, test match dependant). Instead a run out to a local market town down the road provided the outdoor based activity. 

Had to swap the much anticipated seaside Fish n Chip supper for a subway and a 99. Wasn't quite the same

Got home around tea-time, and after a Grandad nap and some more snap I couldn't be bothered to play poker. A full day away after the embarrassing events of Tuesday night cannot possibly be a bad thing anyway. 

Geldy and P99 are spot on above. Huge amounts of mental game fishery have been in play recently. 

I've never bothered with it before, just because of the drink issue being there to nullify any sort of improvement it might make to me, but I'm going to get myself a copy of TMGOP (preferably an audiobook) and see if it can help with my many mental game issues. 

Until then, with it being day 1 of the test match, the football season starting tomorrow, and the tables starting to get that 'weekend' type feel to them, today feels like a good day to be prepared to lose

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Will see what happens with the 'posting results' thing. 

I wouldn't want to see this turn into a brag only thread. And there's no doubt I will be tempted to brag when I do well. So i'll have to balance that when I don't.

If my poker mental strength keeps deteriorating I'll look at changing it but for now I'll just try to stop being a tart and stick with it in the short term. 

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@ young en', I do definitely remember playing against you. The 30nl days were great times, the most successful time I've had in poker financially. It says alot about the games back then that I was on your avoid list, there can't have been many others. 

I'd be a massive fish in those games right now. They've changed so much. But it is a level I feel I could get back to with alot of work on my poker game (and I didn't expect this, but mental game too). 

Even back in those days I was very much over-rolled for the level. I had alot of mental frailties when attempting to move up to the next level/s. Just went to pieces and got crushed every single time I tried. 

In the end I stopped trying, 30nl aint a bad place to be. 

GL on the dym grind, maybe our paths will cross again at some point. Although it certainly wont be in the dym lobby anytime soon

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tldr post so gonna add a picture for those who cba to read.

Over the last 8 weeks I've played some weird and wonderful hands, here's 1 that sticks out in the bank of memories. 

Villains river line, Sublime or ridiculous?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
DOHHHHHHH	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£9.98
diesel94	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£6.16
	Your hole cards	Q A
badcawl	Fold
Rich_King	Fold
Puddle240	Fold
xxx	Raise		£0.28	£0.40	£8.46
DOHHHHHHH	Call		£0.24	£0.64	£9.74
diesel94	Fold
Flop
		Q 9 6
DOHHHHHHH	Check
xxx	Bet		£0.32	£0.96	£8.14
DOHHHHHHH	Call		£0.32	£1.28	£9.42
Turn
		J
DOHHHHHHH	Check
xxx	Bet		£0.64	£1.92	£7.50
DOHHHHHHH	Call		£0.64	£2.56	£8.78
River
		3
DOHHHHHHH	Bet		£1.28	£3.84	£7.50
xxx	Call		£1.28	£5.12	£6.22
DOHHHHHHH	Show	Q A
xxx*	Muck	7 K
DOHHHHHHH	Win	Flush to the Ace	£4.73		£12.23

I actually 'snap' ran an antivirus security check thing straight after that hand as I was paranoid he must be able to see my cards.

Which was pretty silly.

He would've folded if he could.


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@ hhhwwhrfuiheurfh. - I've not been to any matches during Mr Dickovs reign (that will be changing this yr , but the 2 full seasons he's had in charge have been marred by pre season lunacy at boardroom level. Last year was particularly bad with the failed takeover a week before the season leaving his squad in tatters. He actually did pretty well getting us in semi playoff contention.

This is his first proper season in my eyes, he actually stands a chance so I'm allowing myself to be optimistic.





But knowing football, a few early losses and he could come under real pressure. It would be very unfair on him imo, probably deserves 2 and a half more seasons from now (barring any downward disasters) to get something going.

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Grind about to start anyway, "quick hour before the toss" on unibet over breakfast whilst watching Jeremy Kyle.

Livin't'dream.

Good luck everyone over the weekend.

Jac35

You should be a lot more confident about your game

BigHawk89

Glad to see your diary back dohhhh it really is one of the best ones on the forum!! Cash has really got a lot tougher over the last couple of year the games at nl30 can be pretty dull/tough at times but they are beatable and I think you under estimate your ability abit too much! Best of luck, will be seeing you at the tables soon If all goes well!

percival09

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Good Morning.  Thanks again to Geldy Young en', Alan and P for the supportive posts.  After a full day away from poker yesterday it's cool to log in and see such replies on here, I was a wee bit nervous about getting it going again in the circumstances.  Keeping a diary going is difficult at times so it's nice to be reminded that people will be reading even if there are periods when not many are posting, so thanks alot again.  ------------ The trip to the coast was postponed yesterday, (potentially until tomorrow, test match dependant). Instead a run out to a local market town down the road provided the outdoor based activity.  Had to swap the much anticipated seaside Fish n Chip supper for a subway and a 99. Wasn't quite the same Got home around tea-time, and after a Grandad nap and some more snap I couldn't be bothered to play poker. A full day away after the embarrassing events of Tuesday night cannot possibly be a bad thing anyway.  Geldy and P99 are spot on above. Huge amounts of mental game fishery have been in play recently.  I've never bothered with it before, just because of the drink issue being there to nullify any sort of improvement it might make to me, but I'm going to get myself a copy of TMGOP (preferably an audiobook) and see if it can help with my many mental game issues.  Until then, with it being day 1 of the test match, the football season starting tomorrow, and the tables starting to get that 'weekend' type feel to them, today feels like a good day to be prepared to lose ------ Will see what happens with the 'posting results' thing.  I wouldn't want to see this turn into a brag only thread. And there's no doubt I will be tempted to brag when I do well. So i'll have to balance that when I don't. If my poker mental strength keeps deteriorating I'll look at changing it but for now I'll just try to stop being a tart and stick with it in the short term.  ----- @ young en', I do definitely remember playing against you. The 30nl days were great times, the most successful time I've had in poker financially. It says alot about the games back then that I was on your avoid list, there can't have been many others.  I'd be a massive fish in those games right now. They've changed so much. But it is a level I feel I could get back to with alot of work on my poker game (and I didn't expect this, but mental game too).  Even back in those days I was very much over-rolled for the level. I had alot of mental frailties when attempting to move up to the next level/s. Just went to pieces and got crushed every single time I tried.  In the end I stopped trying, 30nl aint a bad place to be.  GL on the dym grind, maybe our paths will cross again at some point. Although it certainly wont be in the dym lobby anytime soon ------------ tldr post so gonna add a picture for those who cba to read. Over the last 8 weeks I've played some weird and wonderful hands, here's 1 that sticks out in the bank of memories.  Villains river line, Sublime or ridiculous? Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance DOHHHHHHH Small blind   £0.04 £0.04 £9.98 diesel94 Big blind   £0.08 £0.12 £6.16   Your hole cards Q A       badcawl Fold         Rich_King Fold         Puddle240 Fold         xxx  Raise   £0.28 £0.40 £8.46 DOHHHHHHH Call   £0.24 £0.64 £9.74 diesel94 Fold         Flop     Q 9 6       DOHHHHHHH Check         xxx Bet   £0.32 £0.96 £8.14 DOHHHHHHH Call   £0.32 £1.28 £9.42 Turn     J       DOHHHHHHH Check         xxx Bet   £0.64 £1.92 £7.50 DOHHHHHHH Call   £0.64 £2.56 £8.78 River     3       DOHHHHHHH Bet   £1.28 £3.84 £7.50 xxx Call   £1.28 £5.12 £6.22 DOHHHHHHH Show Q A       xxx* Muck 7 K       DOHHHHHHH Win Flush to the Ace £4.73   £12.23 I actually 'snap' ran an antivirus security check thing straight after that hand as I was paranoid he must be able to see my cards. Which was pretty silly. He would've folded if he could. ------ @ hhhwwhrfuiheurfh. - I've not been to any matches during Mr Dickovs reign (that will be changing this yr , but the 2 full seasons he's had in charge have been marred by pre season lunacy at boardroom level. Last year was particularly bad with the failed takeover a week before the season leaving his squad in tatters. He actually did pretty well getting us in semi playoff contention. This is his first proper season in my eyes, he actually stands a chance so I'm allowing myself to be optimistic. But knowing football, a few early losses and he could come under real pressure. It would be very unfair on him imo, probably deserves 2 and a half more seasons from now (barring any downward disasters) to get something going. ------- Grind about to start anyway, "quick hour before the toss" on unibet over breakfast whilst watching Jeremy Kyle. Livin't'dream. Good luck everyone over the weekend.
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

***** looooooooooooool. reminds me of the time you thought I was helping your opponent at 30nl when he 4b called J high or something  

tomgoodun

Great to have you back, love reading your posts. Good luck with your battles , my mantra is don't project or look back - very difficult but it does help.

DOHHHHHHH

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Posted by percival09

This was a weird spot

I never actually believed you would be screwing me over or anything, but when a TAG regular 4b/CALLED a shove 100xbb effective with Jack high it scrambled my brain. 

I felt abit of a n0b after, suggesting anything weird was going on but it was just such a bizarre hand, it would've tested anyones faith!

For anyone curious about the hand, it was 30nl. Villain open 3x, I 3bet someting like T7o, villain 4bet, I shove 100xbb effective, he snap calls me with someting like J8o.

It was an excellent bluff by me, my timing, bet sizing, and game flow read must've been spot on if I couldn't get him to fold Jack Eight.

It's alright though we won

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Great to have you back, love reading your posts. Good luck with your battles , my mantra is don't project or look back - very difficult but it does help.
Posted by tomgoodun

Thanks for the kind words Tom. 

I've been using these little mottos and quotes to motivate myself quite abit recently. Some are very cringeworthy but others are quite good. This is my desktop picture(S !!! atm.

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Well yesterday I listened to the designer of the nike poster above, and just did it.

Or attempted to.

4/5 hours volume and it was all at 10nl for the first time.

We lost. 

But, it wasn't too bad. 

There's loads I could write about, but the theme of the session and the most thought provoking thing going forward which will no doubt crop up over and over again is 'getting 100xbb in pre flop readless'.

I did it 3 times last night, and 3 times they had 2 aces. 

Firstly with AK, and then with QQ, and then after a Pep talk with myself I strengthened up the range and got KK in. 

It may be a sign of how much the games have changed since I used to play cash reguarly a few years ago that I'm even doubting these plays. Back in't day I could give random opponents like TT+ AK/AQ and some random sh!te like T7o when they put 100 blinds in pre. But if that's the way it is now, then it is what it is!

Maybe it isn't.

I've been told by friends it's more of a post flop game nowardays and under-representing your hand pre flop to blast off alot post is a more valid strategy when people are playing tighter before the cards come in the middle.

Also helps with Gary Ballance I guess when playing draws and stuff aggressively, but all this is new to me and an example of why I'm way behind the times at the moment. 

Results

- £23.50 on Skypoker.com 

+ €26 on U and I bet

+ $0 on 888

= - £5.50

Roll down to £774.

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Lots of words again, so picture incoming.

First time playing against this player.

The 1 thing of note so far was when he raised 3xbb with AA. 

A random, 80xbb stack re-raised to 6xbb and this player shoved all in for 100xbb. 

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Dumbmo	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£12.56
noah10	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£12.10
	Your hole cards	A K
LJHAlmight	Fold
xxx	Call		£0.10	£0.25	£11.71
johnlee29	Call		£0.10	£0.35	£5.01
DOHHHHHHH	Raise		£0.55	£0.90	£9.45
Dumbmo	Fold
noah10	Fold
xxx	Call		£0.45	£1.35	£11.26
johnlee29	Fold
Flop
		3 8 6
xxx	Check
DOHHHHHHH	Bet		£0.60	£1.95	£8.85
xxx	Call		£0.60	£2.55	£10.66
Turn
		A
xxx	Check
DOHHHHHHH	Bet		£1.10	£3.65	£7.75
xxx	Call		£1.10	£4.75	£9.56
River
		A
xxx	Bet		£4.75	£9.50	£4.81
DOHHHHHHH	Call		£4.75	£14.25	£3.00
					£

Are all 3 options open to us here?

If so, which one would you chose?

We have 3 aces King kicker, but relative to the hands he plays like this is it any good?

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Going through with the trip to the coast today, I feel the guys are sufficiently in control of the test match to allow me to leave the TV rail for a few hours. Just.

In before a Johnson wonder-spell and 150 opening partnership between Rodgers and Warner and I regret it

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Lots more hands to be played over the weekend, and despite the small loss yesterday I'm feeling more positive about poker. 

Best of luck to all playing cards, and to St Mirren in the football tonight. 

 

 

hhyftrftdr

Bad news for your tenner bet with Don.....MP has signed a contract extension. It's only an extra year, but it has come out of leftfield.

If LVG has a stinker at the rags this season, you might need to wing Donald a crisp £10 note.

F_Ivanovic

Yeah I'm not folding river I don't think, hoping he plays AJ-AK like this. One thing I've noticed with some of your hands so far is your small bet-sizing. Particularly in the AQ hand I really dislike your river bet-size of half pot. If your going to donk river in that spot you either want to make it really small in the hopes of enticing a worse value raise or bluff raise OR you want to be betting pretty big to get max value and max fold equity when we are bluffing.

And with the AK your turn bet was really small (just under half the pot) where as personally I'd be going larger with both bluffs and value bets here. We have position and stacks are still deep - so I want to apply pressure to my opponent and get the most value out of my stronger hands.

That's just my opinion though and these days I'm not great at NL cash! Bet-sizing is something that intrigues me and I'm always messing about with it to try and find out what works. 

shakinaces

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There's loads I could write about, but the theme of the session and the most thought provoking thing going forward which will no doubt crop up over and over again is 'getting 100xbb in pre flop readless'. I did it 3 times last night, and 3 times they had 2 aces.  Firstly with AK, and then with QQ, and then after a Pep talk with myself I strengthened up the range and got KK in.  It may be a sign of how much the games have changed since I used to play cash reguarly a few years ago that I'm even doubting these plays. Back in't day I could give random opponents like TT+ AK/AQ and some random sh!te like T7o when they put 100 blinds in pre. But if that's the way it is now, then it is what it is! Maybe it isn't. I've been told by friends it's more of a post flop game nowardays and under-representing your hand pre flop to blast off alot post is a more valid strategy when people are playing tighter before the cards come in the middle. Also helps with Gary Ballance I guess when playing draws and stuff aggressively, but all this is new to me and an example of why I'm way behind the times at the moment. 

This is why I was a bit surprised when there were questions of 'Devonism' when you posted the AKo fold the other day... didn't seem that tight a fold unless you have info on the oppo when they come in with such a chunky 3b vs an UTG open. 

Until you start to fill in the reads there are just so many people with such tiny 3b % and even smaller GII pre % that even KK can feel like a fold sometimes (although only done that once, normally gift my 100b stack and just swear lots when I'm inevitably shown aces).

I don't know if that dynamic changes more as you get up to higher limits.  Although in my (very) brief foray into NL50 late last year I got it in with KK 3 times and 3 times saw AA.  Maybe there isn't that much difference vs NL10 after all

Wasn't a follower of the old diary, but good stuff on the recent posts. Enjoyable read during lunch break.

percival09

In Response to Re: "Sit & DOHHHHHHH Diary":

In Response to  Re: : This was a weird spot I never actually believed you would be screwing me over or anything, but when a TAG regular 4b/CALLED a shove 100xbb effective with Jack high it scrambled my brain.  I felt abit of a n0b after, suggesting anything weird was going on but it was just such a bizarre hand, it would've tested anyones faith! For anyone curious about the hand, it was 30nl. Villain open 3x, I 3bet someting like T7o, villain 4bet, I shove 100xbb effective, he snap calls me with someting like J8o. It was an excellent bluff by me, my timing, bet sizing, and game flow read must've been spot on if I couldn't get him to fold Jack Eight. It's alright though we won In Response to Re: "Sit & DOHHHHHHH Diary" : Thanks for the kind words Tom.  I've been using these little mottos and quotes to motivate myself quite abit recently. Some are very cringeworthy but others are quite good. This is my desktop picture(S !!! atm. ------ Well yesterday I listened to the designer of the nike poster above, and just did it. Or attempted to. 4/5 hours volume and it was all at 10nl for the first time. We lost.  But, it wasn't too bad.  There's loads I could write about, but the theme of the session and the most thought provoking thing going forward which will no doubt crop up over and over again is 'getting 100xbb in pre flop readless'. I did it 3 times last night, and 3 times they had 2 aces.  Firstly with AK, and then with QQ, and then after a Pep talk with myself I strengthened up the range and got KK in.  It may be a sign of how much the games have changed since I used to play cash reguarly a few years ago that I'm even doubting these plays. Back in't day I could give random opponents like TT+ AK/AQ and some random sh!te like T7o when they put 100 blinds in pre. But if that's the way it is now, then it is what it is! Maybe it isn't. I've been told by friends it's more of a post flop game nowardays and under-representing your hand pre flop to blast off alot post is a more valid strategy when people are playing tighter before the cards come in the middle. Also helps with Gary Ballance I guess when playing draws and stuff aggressively, but all this is new to me and an example of why I'm way behind the times at the moment.  Results - £23.50 on Skypoker.com  + €26 on U and I bet + $0 on 888 = - £5.50 Roll down to £774. ----- Lots of words again, so picture incoming. First time playing against this player. The 1 thing of note so far was when he raised 3xbb with AA.  A random, 80xbb stack re-raised to 6xbb and this player shoved all in for 100xbb.  Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance Dumbmo Small blind   £0.05 £0.05 £12.56 noah10 Big blind   £0.10 £0.15 £12.10   Your hole cards A K       LJHAlmight Fold         xxx Call   £0.10 £0.25 £11.71 johnlee29 Call   £0.10 £0.35 £5.01 DOHHHHHHH Raise   £0.55 £0.90 £9.45 Dumbmo Fold         noah10 Fold         xxx Call   £0.45 £1.35 £11.26 johnlee29 Fold         Flop     3 8 6       xxx Check         DOHHHHHHH Bet   £0.60 £1.95 £8.85 xxx Call   £0.60 £2.55 £10.66 Turn     A       xxx Check         DOHHHHHHH Bet   £1.10 £3.65 £7.75 xxx Call   £1.10 £4.75 £9.56 River     A       xxx Bet   £4.75 £9.50 £4.81 DOHHHHHHH Call   £4.75 £14.25 £3.00                                      £ Are all 3 options open to us here? If so, which one would you chose? We have 3 aces King kicker, but relative to the hands he plays like this is it any good? ----- Going through with the trip to the coast today, I feel the guys are sufficiently in control of the test match to allow me to leave the TV rail for a few hours. Just. In before a Johnson wonder-spell and 150 opening partnership between Rodgers and Warner and I regret it ----- Lots more hands to be played over the weekend, and despite the small loss yesterday I'm feeling more positive about poker.  Best of luck to all playing cards, and to St Mirren in the football tonight.     
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

flop AK can either be a bet or a check, both are fine and should probably be mixed (I think the ev of both options are similar, if not the same)

turn we should bet bigger setting up stacks etc, and also it's just a great card for our range and one we can start "applying more pressure" on villains range since we have so many AK combos, and a few AA combos, and he doesn't. The sizing you used is ok if you plan on continuing to valuebet QQ-KK, which is also a fine strategic option. However, AK itself prefers a larger sizing since it's so far ahead of villains range, so on the more exploitative side I would go bigger with AK, close to pot, pot is also fine.

river is such a snap fistpump jam 

bbMike

Not snap jamming and not even snap calling. I don't see any of his bluff range being confident enough to fire a pot sized bet. A snap jam seems to suggest we think his value hands that have reached the river are worse than AK on this board, and I just can't see it.  A8s, A6s, A3s maybe A3o will have made it.  88 66 33 are absolutely loving it because there are so many Ax hands you have you're calling with that haven't filled up. Maybe I'm wrong, but having seen the way most people on here play 10NL there is much more of a case for all of those house hands to have limp called and been played this way.  I just can't give credit here for floating this flop OOP with a worse Ace that hasn't already hit the board.

He can of course show up with 99-JJ or something, but that's a bit of a weird river bet for a hand like that.

Have always read when you've posted (skip over most of the non-Ashes cricket stuff, but you can't please everyone), so glad you're back up - as Jac said, lightens the boards.

GL out there.

percival09

firstly, he probably raises some sets otf, so let's discount some of those from his range. If he calls some, then he probably raises them some % ott when the flush draw comes in, so let's discount some more. It's also important to note that he probably raises a decent % of his 2 pair combos ott (some A8, some A6 maybe), so let's discount some of those. Even if he's not raising those 2 pair combos ott, he probably only has a few of the suited aces pre, so perhaps A3s, A6s, A8s with some frequency, so since there are only 4 combos of each of these, and there's already the Ad on the board, and hero holds the As, it means villain can only have A8hh, A8cc, A6cc, and he can't have any A3s combos. So that's 3 combos of suited Ax that beat us, and like I said earlier, he probably raises a certain % of those ott. 

Now, if he's calling as wide preflop as A3s, A6s, and A8s, then he almost certainly has other Ax suited hands too. Vs a 1/2 pot cbet he is undoubtedly calling a lot of these suited Ax hands that have backdoor flush draws, making his range much wider than you suggest. 

In addition to everything I've written above, this player is most likely a "fun player" given preflop action, making it even more likely that he'll call our shove lighter than he should. 

If you don't jam this hand for what would be less than a minraise, then you are making a huge mistake. 

hhyftrftdr

Deffo calling, but also expect villain to rock up with a FH a reasonable %age of the time.

In my experience, people tend to pot bomb the river with either the goods or total airballs, so I think he can also show up with some random missed hand like 57, 59, 45 etc, and also with worse aces. You'd think they shouldn't, but some players will have an A here, and thus treat their trips like the goods come the river.

Probably estimate 1/3 of the time we are beat, 1/3 of the time they have nothing and 1/3 of the time they have a worse Ace leads me to calling over raising/folding (lol, like I'd fold).

Such a facepalm when they roll over AQ, yet the times you set them in for their sack they seem to have the FH!

We also calling river with KK/QQ?

bbMike

If there are players at 10NL limp calling suited A9-AQ then floating OOP with a back door flush draw and a couple of overcards, I haven't seen them. But then I don't play cash here often, so I'm unlikely to have seen them anyway.  It is a min-raise, but it's still 50bb.

percival09

to suggest villain has an equal amount of full houses as he does Ax is ludicrous. blockers and the fact he certainly raises % of sets/2pairs on earlier streets suggests he has significantly more Ax. 

You clearly don't play much poker at all, never mind just on sky, if you haven't seen people limp/call preflop with pretty much anything and then call flop with overcards +fd. 

whether it's 12bb, 50bb, 124.3bb or 600bb, a min raise is a min raise. it gives villain the same odds and it means the same thing. 

bbMike

In Response to Re: "Sit & DOHHHHHHH Diary":

If there are players at 10NL limp calling suited A9-AQ then floating OOP with a back door flush draw and a couple of overcards, I haven't seen them. But then I don't play cash here often, so I'm unlikely to have seen them anyway.  It is a min-raise, but it's still 50bb.
Posted by bbMike

And I realise that that is probably a tournament player's view too so I'm probably going to slink away from this discussion quietly if you'll let me....!

But yeah, I just think nutty hands > bluffs > worse value, so it's a call in my (blurry) eyes.

bbMike

In Response to Re: "Sit & DOHHHHHHH Diary":

to suggest villain has an equal amount of full houses as he does Ax is a ludicrous statement. blockers and the fact he certainly raises % of sets/2pairs on earlier streets suggests he has significantly more Ax.  You clearly don't play much poker at all, never mind just on sky, if you haven't seen people limp/call preflop with pretty much anything and then call flop with overcards +fd.  whether it's 12bb, 50bb, 124.3bb or 600bb, a min raise is a min raise. it gives villain the same odds and it means the same thing. 
Posted by percival09

To have someone so knowledgeable back posting on the forum is a great thing. You should post more. Just maybe in a slightly different tone.

percival09

I thank you for your kind words. Please don't take everything I say to heart, I was merely critically analysing the logical fallicies in the above posts

GELDY

Never folding and given what you have behind I guess I'd shove. 

But you've made it harder on yourself with the smallish turn bet. 

This could easily inspire a river bluff from the villain. 

If you'd bet nearer 2/3rd pot then you reduce the chance of a float/bluff IMHO. But then as played you increase the chances you're ahead so maybe not such a bad idea but only if you have no intention of folding to a river bet. 

PS nice analysis percy but it comes across better if you don't refer to other's ideas as ludicrous. A"I beg to differ" is so much nicer. 

DOHHHHHHH

ahhh awesome response to the AK hand, tyvm everyone who's posted their thoughts.

I'll have to put more hands up!

In game I didn't even really think tbh.

I did the passive fish thing of "oh wow 3 aces top kicker call"

Didn't consider a fold or a shove until after the hand had finished.

Probably a leak that. 

It's something I've already noticed and will be correcting next session. On sky without a timebank 6 tables is too much for me atm (lol).

It's contributing alot to the bad play which damages confidence which effects volume bla bla. It's just not worth pushing the table count atm so I wont. 4 next time. 

So i called.

He had A3.

It felt like he had something like that in game.

"lol gut feel show me the maths" 

But still, it's really really f*in hard not to be results orientated in poker no matter how experienced I get in the game. 

Yes I'm past the "I shouldn't have shoved with AA pre because he had 72 and it came 22222222" stage.

But when it feels like the guy has a FH here, and I call, and he does have a FH here, I still find it hard to accept it was the right thing to do and I should do the same next time. 

It wasn't even the right thing to do, apparently I should've shoved! qjriofajerfjroejfor

Ofc I know before I made this call (and before I make every call) that he WILL HAVE THE FULL SODDING HOUSE HERE SOMETIMES ANYWAYYYY. 

The alternative is to try and make miracle plays everytime and balls things up even more. 

Ranges innit. 

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'On the positives' as the Don would say, had a fun day out this aft, after abit of a scare, England took care of business in Nottingham, I've survived another Friday without a beer and I've just played an hour of unibet 4nl and won 5 euros. 

If Yorkshire Tea did Fridays......

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I'm going to try and push myself on the tables this weekend. 

I've done abit of off-table reading regarding the mental game fishyness. 

Nothing is going to fix over night, but I'm encouraged by how I've approached the last couple of sessions and dealt with the ups and downs during them. 

I don't think they (the mental game probz) are THAT bad. I know people with much worse mental games than me. But they're different, in that I'm way too conservative. When I lose I want to stop playing, or I want to play lower. 

From what I can see the 'norm' is to want to keep playing (normally badly) and play higher. 

I'd rather have it my way.

But then I'd rather not have it at all. 

It'll just take time to get used to actually feeling the emotions that come within a poker session rather than they just being masked by copious amounts of strongbow. 

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If tinypic wants to work, here's a fun HH I played the other day.  (I am playing as MarsaillesFC) 

Just 1 of my 25 alias's on Unibet    

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=156s1om&s=8#.VcUwHPlVhBc

gl all grinding the Fri night shift!

F_Ivanovic

I think jamming river might be OK but I hardly think it's a fist pump jam. Villain may have more combos of Ax then FH's but when villain pots river his FH combos go way up. Someone that plays this passively generally isn't potting river with all their worse Ax. They might do so with AQ but mostly their continuing to check. 

I also think they can still actually have plenty more FH combos by the river than you think - plenty of players I see are afraid of raising or betting before the river with their strong hands (2 pairs and sets in this case) in case their opponent folds... and when it comes to the river they're suddenly like "well, I really don't want him to check behind so now is the time I'm going to donk lead and hope he calls"

If this was from an aggressive bad player then 100% I agree it's a fist pump jam - but that doesn't appear to be the case here.

F_Ivanovic

I know "results orientated" lol but I think it sort of proves my point above. Pot bets from passive players are just so often the nuts. Often in these situations it's "if it's good enough to call, then we should probably shove" but I'm not always good enough to fold!!