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Many Rivers To Cross. A Diary.

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  • edited July 2012
    Great read Tommy  as always.... When are you covering Part4 which has to include how good you ran in all the cash games.... Oppppps...Sick rubzzzzz
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     Then when he left she told us all he always turns up when she plays and always lingers close to her.  Musical and a little bit stalkerish then.  With far too long hair, get it cut Hippy ;)


    Enjoying reading your account of events so far Tommy. 

    Are you sure you are not on about anyone from the Forum in that above statement? :)
  • edited July 2012
    In Response to Re: Many Rivers To Cross. A Diary.:
    very unlucky over there tommy but i did enjoy reading your experience in the main event. I was over in vegas just before you and the sky guys came over what a time i had over there also got pics with like 12 different pros an amazing experience i`m goin to try build ma roll and defo try and even play a 1k/1.5k wsop event next year thats my target anywayz lol. gl at the tables
    Posted by liamboi11
    Cheers Liam

    Good luck building a roll for those events.  There's those and plenty of other decent ones at that level at other casinos.  If I ever make a big bink I'll be making a run at all of them and have one yeah of total Vegas degeneracy.

    GL man
  • edited July 2012
    In Response to Re: Many Rivers To Cross. A Diary.:
    Great read Tommy  as always.... When are you covering Part4 which has to include how good you ran in all the cash games.... Oppppps...Sick rubzzzzz
    Posted by GliterBabe
    So sick Wayne.  Not everyone can do a get there and mega fade with 62o......

    For those of you that don't know, ol' Mr GB here is alluding to the fact I ran super bad in the Rio 1/3 game.  I didn't play great all of the time, tilted some off but my first four big pots for full buy ins were:

    AQ v AJ on A77
    AT v A8 AIPF
    AK v AQ AIPF
    KK v JTs AIPF

    I chopped one and lost the rest.  If I had done a hold in at least two of them I probably wouldn't have chased as much as I did.  I managed to get some back on the last couple of days but some damage was done.  Long story short, I won on poker on the trip but oh my it could have been so much sweeter, those games were lovely.
  • edited July 2012
    In Response to Re: Many Rivers To Cross. A Diary.:
     Then when he left she told us all he always turns up when she plays and always lingers close to her.  Musical and a little bit stalkerish then.  With far too long hair, get it cut Hippy ;) Enjoying reading your account of events so far Tommy.  Are you sure you are not on about anyone from the Forum in that above statement? :)
    Posted by MAXALLY
    Haha, nice catch man.  You know, there was a physical likeness....
  • edited July 2012
    I'm thinking of doing the same little report thingies for the Olympics which I did for the start of the Euros.  Normally I love the Olympics but this year the combination of paying for it (not just me obviously) and the world seemingly skint has somewhat taken the shine off of it.

    Talking of the Olympics, what do you guys think of G4S?  They are openly admitting that they are not going to fulfill the contract for security of the games to the amount they said but they still want full payment.  This has made me blooming livid.  Imagine if I was to go into MaccyDs with Greg and Dylan.  We order the usual 12 cheeseburgers.  Now imagine if the guy behind the counter goes 'Well we only have ten but as you're going to have a full meal in here I'm charging you for the 12.'  It would kick off, old Ronald would get a slap.

    On the subject of eating I actually managed to outlast Dylan in a pseudo eating competition.  The last night a bunch of us went to the steakhouse over Binnons and for some reason I ordered the 22oz steak, as did Dyl.  Somehow I managed to finish it where as young master Dyl had to concede defeat.  Sadly my victory proved to come at a cost as I woke up in the middle of the night with my kidneys attempting to escape my body.  I think they were trying to reject me for my poor choices.  You see I don't eat that much red meat and the overdose had me sweating in pain at five in the morning.  So kids, when it comes to over sized slices of cow, just say no.
  • edited July 2012
    In Response to Re: Many Rivers To Cross. A Diary.:
    I'm thinking of doing the same little report thingies for the Olympics which I did for the start of the Euros.  Normally I love the Olympics but this year the combination of paying for it (not just me obviously) and the world seemingly skint has somewhat taken the shine off of it. Talking of the Olympics, what do you guys think of G4S?  They are openly admitting that they are not going to fulfill the contract for security of the games to the amount they said but they still want full payment.  This has made me blooming livid.  Imagine if I was to go into MaccyDs with Greg and Dylan.  We order the usual 12 cheeseburgers.  Now imagine if the guy behind the counter goes 'Well we only have ten but as you're going to have a full meal in here I'm charging you for the 12.'  It would kick off, old Ronald would get a slap. On the subject of eating I actually managed to outlast Dylan in a pseudo eating competition.  The last night a bunch of us went to the steakhouse over Binnons and for some reason I ordered the 22oz steak, as did Dyl.  Somehow I managed to finish it where as young master Dyl had to concede defeat.  Sadly my victory proved to come at a cost as I woke up in the middle of the night with my kidneys attempting to escape my body.  I think they were trying to reject me for my poor choices.  You see I don't eat that much red meat and the overdose had me sweating in pain at five in the morning.  So kids, when it comes to over sized slices of cow, just say no.
    Posted by TommyD

    Still suffering from jet lag, Mr D?

    I notice an error in your post: "We order the usual 12 cheeseburgers."

    Surely, when accompanied by Greg and Dylan, one is required to order at least 50 cheeseburgers?!?


  • edited July 2012
    In Response to Re: Many Rivers To Cross. A Diary.:
    In Response to Re: Many Rivers To Cross. A Diary. : Still suffering from jet lag, Mr D? I notice an error in your post: "We order the usual 12 cheeseburgers." Surely, when accompanied by Greg and Dylan, one is required to order at least 50 cheeseburgers?!?
    Posted by J-Hartigan
    Nah, you need to save some room for the KFC next door.

    I think I'm over the jet jag now hopefully.  I made the mistake of thinking I beat it when I managed to sleep and wake in 'English time' on the plane.  I got a little arrogant and Monday kicked me right in the booty for that one.  Of course the GF didn't help.  I made a simple request, to slowly get me acclimatised to leaving The Rio I wanted her for the first few days to occasionaly jump on the table and dance for 90 seconds to Britney Spears Toxic in just her undergarments.  Her reaction was 'Very funny, now mow the lawn.'  I run so bad.
  • edited July 2012
    In Response to Re: Many Rivers To Cross. A Diary.:
    In Response to Re: Many Rivers To Cross. A Diary. : Nah, you need to save some room for the KFC next door. I think I'm over the jet jag now hopefully.  I made the mistake of thinking I beat it when I managed to sleep and wake in 'English time' on the plane.  I got a little arrogant and Monday kicked me right in the booty for that one.  Of course the GF didn't help.  I made a simple request, to slowly get me acclimatised to leaving The Rio I wanted her for the first few days to occasionaly jump on the table and dance for 90 seconds to Britney Spears Toxic in just her undergarments.  Her reaction was 'Very funny, now mow the lawn.'  I run so bad.
    Posted by TommyD
    Seems like a very reasonable request - time 4 an upgrade methinks!

    Ul in LV ME Tommy, hope I can join u guys nxt yr.

    Despite everything (inc this atrocious weather!!), think Olympics will be awesome - we'll all soon get caught up in it, u'll see.
  • edited July 2012
    Cheers Tommy

    I thoroughly enjoyed your 'vegas days' here. You captured the atmosphere and your feelings at the time really well, i feel. Did you take notes at the table? May i ask Tommy were you playing a paticular range of hands for each position as well as calling ranges/3 bet ranges etc and if so, and put the villain on what range UTG? 7%? What were they? Also did you find the play in wsop tighter or looser than other tourneys you've played?
    By the way, when you talk about an 'obvious' 3-bet steal, what made it obvious in your mind? Cheers...
  • edited July 2012
    In Response to Re: Many Rivers To Cross. A Diary.:
    In Response to Re: Many Rivers To Cross. A Diary. : Seems like a very reasonable request - time 4 an upgrade methinks! Ul in LV ME Tommy, hope I can join u guys nxt yr. Despite everything (inc this atrocious weather!!), think Olympics will be awesome - we'll all soon get caught up in it, u'll see.
    Posted by JingleMa
    Hey Jingle

    I'm still waiting for the grip of the games to take hold  Like I said, I normally love it.  This year I just feel like it's a giant advert for BarclayCard and McDonalds.
  • edited July 2012
    In Response to Re: Many Rivers To Cross. A Diary.:
    Cheers Tommy I thoroughly enjoyed your 'vegas days' here. You captured the atmosphere and your feelings at the time really well, i feel. Did you take notes at the table? May i ask Tommy were you playing a paticular range of hands for each position as well as calling ranges/3 bet ranges etc and if so, and put the villain on what range UTG? 7%? What were they? Also did you find the play in wsop tighter or looser than other tourneys you've played? By the way, when you talk about an 'obvious' 3-bet steal, what made it obvious in your mind? Cheers...
    Posted by profman15
    Hey Proffy, thanks mate.

    The only notes I took were in my head.  The ranges I put people on depended on their general play at the table, if they hadn't opened a hand for an age and suddenly 3x UTG then I've got them on premiums, if they've been opening a lot I've got them on something playable UTG but not premium.  I probably played to tight of a range from all positions, I was still loose but no where as loose as I should have been, those big hands don't come round that often.  I was also coming in with a raise/3bet/4bet a lot, not sure if I got this right on Day 2.  On Day 1 it was a must.

    I think I tightened up late on Day 1, if I could change that I would.  Regarding the 3bet steal, this guy had been in a lot of pots and getting frustrated because he was being bet out of a ton of them.  I was playing snug and opened from the cut off.  He's in position and 3bets me.  Now I've been tight but no one knows if I'm playing weak/tight or not.  I'm in an obvious steal spot (those SB and BB were not defending a lot) and he knows this.  I figured he shows up with a steal here often and marginal value hands a bit as well as the top of his range sometimes.  Taking a look at him it just felt that he was weak, body language and such.
  • edited July 2012
    Got a fun hand for you guys.  I raise, I actually have Kings, I get three shoves.  Thoughts?  BTW it's the £110 BHer
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    ThexMajor Small blind  75.00 75.00 4341.25
    nagrom Big blind  150.00 225.00 3310.00
     Your hole cards
    • K
    • K
       
    billo0007 Fold     
    DivsDreams Fold     
    TommyD Raise  300.00 525.00 10050.00
    CrazyBen23 All-in  1178.50 1703.50 0.00
    ThexMajor All-in  4341.25 6044.75 0.00
    nagrom All-in  3310.00 9354.75 0.00
    TommyD ?  
  • edited July 2012
    Nice posts, and good read. Wishing you the best sir.
  • edited July 2012
    In Response to Re: Many Rivers To Cross. A Diary.:
    Nice posts, and good read. Wishing you the best sir.
    Posted by patwalshh
    Cheers Pat, you too Sir.

    Keep tuned for the Olympics, I think there will be a nice mixture of love and rants.
  • edited July 2012
    id call u have them all covered :) its a bounty hunter and if u do lose still have 5k in chips :)
  • edited July 2012
    In Response to Re: Many Rivers To Cross. A Diary.:
    id call u have them all covered :) its a bounty hunter and if u do lose still have 5k in chips :)
    Posted by IDONKCALLU
    I'm pretty happy with a call here, just wondering what you guys think the bottom of all the ranges are and what the bottom of my calling range should be?  Imagine I have QQ, JJ or AK, do we call with any of these hands?
  • edited July 2012
    i wouldnt call with a q or 10s down 
  • edited July 2012
    In Response to Re: Many Rivers To Cross. A Diary.:
    Got a fun hand for you guys.  I raise, I actually have Kings, I get three shoves.  Thoughts?  BTW it's the £110 BHer Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance ThexMajor Small blind   75.00 75.00 4341.25 nagrom Big blind   150.00 225.00 3310.00   Your hole cards K K       billo0007 Fold         DivsDreams Fold         TommyD Raise   300.00 525.00 10050.00 CrazyBen23 All-in   1178.50 1703.50 0.00 ThexMajor All-in   4341.25 6044.75 0.00 nagrom All-in   3310.00 9354.75 0.00 TommyD ?    
    Posted by TommyD
    Guessing you snapped this off without hesitating and one off them flipped AA over?
    One of those hands that is completely standard at the time but when you have a few minutes thinking it over, you start to question whether you can get away.
    TBH though I think you can maybe find if you consider all factors. The fact there is real possibilty of someone having AA, the fact you have invested so little into the pot and finally, the fact your equity isn't going to be great against all 3 players ranges.
    FWIW I snap call all day long.

    Great diary BTW.
  • edited July 2012
    In Response to Re: Many Rivers To Cross. A Diary.:
    In Response to Re: Many Rivers To Cross. A Diary. : I'm pretty happy with a call here, just wondering what you guys think the bottom of all the ranges are and what the bottom of my calling range should be?  Imagine I have QQ, JJ or AK, do we call with any of these hands?
    Posted by TommyD
    As for seperating our range here to what we call with and what we muck, I think it's a very clear cut line. I think all the hands you mentioned should be a fold, leaving only AA and KK we can call with. HOWEVER, the fact we have the security of having them all covered, the amount of opponents we could bust, the fact it's a bounty huntaa! and something I never mentioned the size of the pot we could potentially ship and therefore go onto crush, all give us reason to call off a lot lighter than AA or KK.  
  • edited July 2012
    Given all the factors involved I think this is a call. Its only sicker for you as you are the last into the pot and you know it will be 4 handed. The fact this is a £110 and therefore you know these players are competent helps a bunch. 

    Crazyben can be reshipping tht stak very wide. 
    Tex knows this and could iso relatively wide 88+ Aq+
    Nagroom Knows tex might be isolating too and could see a spot to get 2 bounties, I'd expect him to still have a hand here. But if he i capable of gambling here he could do this with 10+, AK maybe AQ suited but that would be thin IMO. 
  • edited July 2012
    In Response to Re: Many Rivers To Cross. A Diary.:
    In Response to Re: Many Rivers To Cross. A Diary. : Guessing you snapped this off without hesitating and one off them flipped AA over? One of those hands that is completely standard at the time but when you have a few minutes thinking it over, you start to question whether you can get away. TBH though I think you can maybe find if you consider all factors. The fact there is real possibilty of someone having AA, the fact you have invested so little into the pot and finally, the fact your equity isn't going to be great against all 3 players ranges. FWIW I snap call all day long. Great diary BTW.
    Posted by Curt360x27
    Cheers Curt

    Ok, SPOILER ALERT!


    No one had AA, and yes I did call.  It was going to be a snap until the third player came in and then it was a 'WTF is going on here?  Ok call' snap.
  • edited July 2012
    In Response to Re: Many Rivers To Cross. A Diary.:
    In Response to Re: Many Rivers To Cross. A Diary. : As for seperating our range here to what we call with and what we muck, I think it's a very clear cut line. I think all the hands you mentioned should be a fold, leaving only AA and KK we can call with.  HOWEVER, the fact we have the security of having them all covered, the amount of opponents we could bust, the fact it's a bounty huntaa! and something I never mentioned the size of the pot we could potentially ship and therefore go onto crush, all give us reason to call off a lot lighter than AA or KK.  
    Posted by Curt360x27
    Remember that I don't think anyone with a hand is too concerned about my range.  I have been 'active' and min raise opening plenty as per usual.  I've done a lot so it could be 67s as much as it's AKs.  Ben's very short so is jamming any pair/ lots of Aces/maybe KQ/KJ.  I thought at the time that maybe Ben's shove had started a BHer feeding frenzy which justified the call if I needed further justification.  Nag's undershove into Thex who covered was my only real concern, at the time I put Nag on a really tight range but not one to justify folding Kings pre.

    As for the bottom of my calling range, I personally feel QQ is just the right side of the line to call but AK is just a fold.  The later is a fold as I must be up against a pair and some of my outs should be in the other hands (especially the Aces obviously).  Queens as a call?  Just IMO, it's hard to be dealt Kings or Aces and with my image I think it is +ev to call with them here purely as all of the other reship ranges are slightly bigger against me and in a BHer.  Jacks is a headache and probably just a fold.
  • edited July 2012
    In Response to Re: Many Rivers To Cross. A Diary.:
    Given all the factors involved I think this is a call. Its only sicker for you as you are the last into the pot and you know it will be 4 handed. The fact this is a £110 and therefore you know these players are competent helps a bunch.  Crazyben can be reshipping tht stak very wide.  Tex knows this and could iso relatively wide 88+ Aq+ Nagroom Knows tex might be isolating too and could see a spot to get 2 bounties, I'd expect him to still have a hand here. But if he i capable of gambling here he could do this with 10+, AK maybe AQ suited but that would be thin IMO. 
    Posted by pr1nnyraid
    I agree with most of this Pr1nny, but you have one vital mistake in your post.  Nag is undershoving into Tex, therefore cannot win that bounty.  I think that makes Nag's range a lot stronger.

    But on the whole that's exactly how my thoughts went at the time.
  • edited July 2012
    Don't think i'm ever folding kings there,   i am worried about Nagrom and nagrom only, but still calling all day .  Obviously got alot of cards to avoid regardless,  but run good ...

    Edit.   I definately fold jacks and AK here,  QQ would be an absolute headache. probably find a fold, just because i get to see what everyone has.   badd ?    Not sure
  • edited July 2012
    In Response to Re: Many Rivers To Cross. A Diary.:
    In Response to Re: Many Rivers To Cross. A Diary. : Remember that I don't think anyone with a hand is too concerned about my range.  I have been 'active' and min raise opening plenty as per usual.  I've done a lot so it could be 67s as much as it's AKs.  Ben's very short so is jamming any pair/ lots of Aces/maybe KQ/KJ.  I thought at the time that maybe Ben's shove had started a BHer feeding frenzy which justified the call if I needed further justification.  Nag's undershove into Thex who covered was my only real concern, at the time I put Nag on a really tight range but not one to justify folding Kings pre. As for the bottom of my calling range, I personally feel QQ is just the right side of the line to call but AK is just a fold.  The later is a fold as I must be up against a pair and some of my outs should be in the other hands (especially the Aces obviously).  Queens as a call?  Just IMO, it's hard to be dealt Kings or Aces and with my image I think it is +ev to call with them here purely as all of the other reship ranges are slightly bigger against me and in a BHer.  Jacks is a headache and probably just a fold.
    Posted by TommyD
    Agree with you about AK being a fold for reasons you mentioned.
    As for calling with QQ here, it's one them when we hover the cursor over the call button, then the fold button, the call button again, say a few swear words, then make our decision on which button we feel like pressing. Personally I find the fold button with QQ here, just.
  • edited July 2012
    In Response to Re: Many Rivers To Cross. A Diary.:
    Don't think i'm ever folding kings there,   i am worried about Nagrom and nagrom only, but still calling all day .  Obviously got alot of cards to avoid regardless,  but run good ... Edit.   I definately fold jacks and AK here,  QQ would be an absolute headache. probably find a fold, just because i get to see what everyone has.   badd ?    Not sure
    Posted by 1267
    Hey mate.

    First up congrats in besting me HU in the early BHer yesterday, you played like a beast.

    A vital point I think is that my CO opening range is perceived as wide.  With Ben pretty short it's probably not going to be as wide as usual (then again I could always miss his stack size).  My perceived range makes me of little concern to Thex and Nag as I can only call with a very small part of my opening range here.  I think this makes QQ just a call but I can totally understand the opinion of folding them.  The case for the call is the counter point for the fold with AK, if no one has AA or KK they should be sharing some cards.  It's still very close though IMO and on another day I could well be saying fold.
  • edited July 2012
    In Response to Re: Many Rivers To Cross. A Diary.:
    In Response to Re: Many Rivers To Cross. A Diary. : Agree with you about AK being a fold for reasons you mentioned. As for calling with QQ here, it's one them when we hover the cursor over the call button, then the fold button, the call button again, say a few swear words, then make our decision on which button we feel like pressing. Personally I find the fold button with QQ here, just.
    Posted by Curt360x27
    I don't swear while playing poker, I get told off too much by the GF for doing it.

    GF:  'You're creating a bad atmosphere, if you can't play happy then you should stop playing'

    Me:  'You don't understand, I had (*) Queens and then suddenly three people shove in and I'm not sure what to do.  I mean, Queens is a really good hand but four ways is nasty, they might have-

    GF:  'Don't play if you're going to get angry'

    Me:   'Did you (*) hear me, it was a really tough situation and I was a little frustrated so I-'

    GF:  'Maybe you should stop playing if you're going to be in a mood.'

    Me:  'Sigh, sorry, won't happen again'

    GF:  'I've seen these new Ugg boots....'

    The (*) represents the exact moments in the conversation where the GF phases what I am saying out.
  • edited July 2012

    Well done on getting your SPT seat on the cheap, not easy those sats Tommy.

    Interesting hand that. Its nagrom i am mainly worried about. Ben is short and is doing that with a widish range cos he assumes your range is wide. Thexmajor also will get it in reasonably wide from memory.

    Nags is a very good tightish player and wont be stacking off light, unless he fancies a gamble to trebble up and take ben's bounty with a speculative hand, again unlikely.

    I think it's a call tho, due to the amount you have behind. If i had a similar stack to the others and was at risk of elimination, i could sigh fold the KK due to reduced equity 4 way. Its close tho!


  • edited July 2012
    In Response to Re: Many Rivers To Cross. A Diary.:
    Well done on getting your SPT seat on the cheap, not easy those sats Tommy. Interesting hand that. Its nagrom i am mainly worried about. Ben is short and is doing that with a widish range cos he assumes your range is wide. Thexmajor also will get it in reasonably wide from memory. Nags is a very good tightish player and wont be stacking off light, unless he fancies a gamble to trebble up and take ben's bounty with a speculative hand, again unlikely. I think it's a call tho, due to the amount you have behind. If i had a similar stack to the others and was at risk of elimination, i could sigh fold the KK due to reduced equity 4 way. Its close tho!
    Posted by GREGHOGG
    Cheers Greg.

    I ran really well obviously, I just hope I play better at DTD than I have done at Blackpool and Cardiff.  I really need to work on my live game.

    On the hand, maybe I have my thinking backwards but say if I'm on 5k doesn't it make it more of a call with Kings?  It's a great spot to treble+ up and have a go for the win?  Serious question, does anyone think this thinking is awry?
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