What adjustements need to be made when moving from NLHE MTTs and SNGs to PLO MTTs and SNGs? Primarily I'm thinking about not being able to shove with ten big blinds. When you get down to ten big blinds, do you just stick a pot sized raise in pre-flop and say that you are committed to the hand? Or do you just allow yourself to get down to, say, five big blinds before you need to do that?
Hi all, was at Blackpool Saturday to support Rochdale Mafia, played in a S&G and £30 tourney later, wasn't impressed by the organisation, service was bad , no dirty glasses collected, 8pm tourney was a shambles, we didn't know what was going on most of the time, moved tables, we had been playing 3K/6K, they were playing 4/8 and, nothing to do with poker, had bar snacks later that were absolutely rubbish, got our money back!! veggie burger didn't have a burger in it and my steak pie was like eating concrete. Posted by leapylee57
Sorry to hear that Mr Leapy.
The evening Tourney was nothing to do with Sky Poker, so if you had problems, & it sounds like you did, it's best to complain to local Management at the G.
For what it's worth, with one exception, I've played in most UK Casinos, & it's best not to have much expectations as to Customer Service or good organisation, as it ain't gonna happen I'm afraid.
So I just chill, & what is, is, because we can't beat the system, & British Live Poker is, on the whole, not a well-managed or organised product. To be fair, I played Friday night's Tourney, & it was run just fine.
It's very easy to be critical, but it's not easy pleasing us poker players! As one who has organised &/or run hundreds of them, I speak from bitter experience on both sides of the fence.
Hi Tikay What adjustements need to be made when moving from NLHE MTTs and SNGs to PLO MTTs and SNGs? Primarily I'm thinking about not being able to shove with ten big blinds. When you get down to ten big blinds, do you just stick a pot sized raise in pre-flop and say that you are committed to the hand? Or do you just allow yourself to get down to, say, five big blinds before you need to do that? Thanks W Posted by Wilhelm
Oi-Oi Will, GREAT question!
If we pot it in PLO with 10 bigs in total, we are pot-stuck really. This means we need to try to engineer a situation where we can ramp it up pre, so as to put the max pressure on by getting the lot in pre. This is why Pot Limit is such a game of skill, especially when mixed with Omaha.
What you might try is limping in early pos if there is an aggro or serial Raiser on the Table behind you, let HIM be the Raiser, & so now you have some serious leverage to pot it, & allowing for a limper or two before all the action, we can now get the lot in.
What I would deffo NEVER do, is play No-Limit Omaha. It's brutally swingy, & is not for the faint-hearted, as the "Omaha Roulette" players just jam every hand. And in Omaha, even A-A-K-K (DS) is not that far ahead of anything.
In Response to Re: Ask Tikay? : Sorry to hear that Mr Leapy. The evening Tourney was nothing to do with Sky Poker, so if you had problems, & it sounds like you did, it's best to complain to local Management at the G. For what it's worth, with one exception, I've played in most UK Casinos, & it's best not to have much expectations as to Customer Service or good organisation, as it ain't gonna happen I'm afraid. So I just chill, & what is, is, because we can't beat the system, & British Live Poker is, on the whole, not a well-managed or organised product. To be fair, I played Friday night's Tourney, & it was run just fine. It's very easy to be critical, but it's not easy pleasing us poker players! As one who has organised &/or run hundreds of them, I speak from bitter experience on both sides of the fence. Posted by Tikay10
Yup, that was run good tbf but then again you would say that after the bink
As for the guys comments about the 8pm - spot on - absolute shambles, the tournament started without no one knowing and every table was sat there waiting for a dealer which was expected after paying so much as a reg fee, turns out to be dealer dealt with 1 supervisor running the show and he had no clue tbf, at one point there was 1 table with 5 players on it with others having 8/8 and 9 players on them which went on for 15 mins before the 5 handed table decided to stop playing and queried the matter and then a torrent of abuse came from the supervisor and several regs which I believe was reported (didn't bother me tbh cos it didn't involve me) - not a very nice experience tbh so i get where the original poster is coming from. I
f people do come to an SPT for a weekend to play/support unfortunately they seem to think that everything is organised by SKY which in turn gives the site a bad name - I do wonder at times how many other occurrences like this has happened and people believe it to be Sky's fault even though it is the Host casino.
On a personal note, I was glad to bust the 8pm and get back to the SPT hub with the lads for some banter again because that is what makes the SPT
If there's only two players left in the pot and one shoves is it allowable for the other player to reveal his hand (or even say what it is) when still making his decision?
Cheers - bandini
Hi Tikay, posted this in The Poker Clinic and haven't had a conslusive answer yet. What sayeth thou young man?
My turn to try to siphon off some of that knowledge of yours sir.
Add on to the Omaha question earlier in the post - I still cannot find the reasons for all the raising pre that I see happening, my (limited) understanding is that Omaha is a post flop game & no hand pre is that far ahead, so bumping up the pot serves little purpose (duck the flying tomatoes etc.)
In NLH I understand the reasons but this eludes (spelling?) me?
PS. Whats wrong with Brussell Spouts?
PPS. I think someone let the cat out of the bag about your secret re age - wasnt me!
In Response to Re: Ask Tikay? : Do you mean a Daily version of the £2.20 TOTTY? If so, I'll send the request upstairs. Getting the balance of the Tourney Schedule "just so" is like painting the Forth Bridge, it's an open-ended task, but they do try to satisfy player-demand. It's easier to leave everything alone, there's less flak that way, but it's not a sustainable model, so changes will continue, & they'll get some right, & some wrong. Making a mistake in the pursuit of perfection is never a bad thing, & you'll never see a reluctance from the Sky Poker Team to own up to errors. Posted by Tikay10
Yeah i think a 2.20 version of the totty daily would get decent fields i came tenth and there was about 110 runner so i think it would pull atleast 100 every night its a good value tourney especcially with the 2500 chips 12 min blinds . maybe put that daily and have the bigger buy ins aswell on some days ? thanks for getting back to me.
Hi old man when is the team being picked for the APAT team champs and how will it be done? DAIgestive Posted by DAIBOOT
From the APAT site, I see that the teams who have a place in the Team Championships will be announced on the 1st December.
All things considered, it seems likely that Sky will get a place for a Sky team, but I think it might be that when Sky officially have a place confirmed - that could be when an announcement is made about how it will be picked.
In Response to Re: Ask Tikay? : 2 people with the same IP address can not play on the same cash table but can play in the same tournament using the same IP address - Goldenndog and Chirpychump will also verify this if needed Posted by dylan12
Thanks dylan12 and TK we were told when we first started to play that we could not play sit and go games together but tournament play was ok, but according to gemma and the sky customer care team, people with the same ip address cant play in the same tournament, Im sure this will cause a lot of frustration with couples who do play in the same tournament. I hope Im right in thinking that this does not include live play but have gone back to gemma (sky customer care team) to find out. I have cut and past her reply for you to see.
Hi Jonathan,
Thanks for your email.
I am afraid you can not join the same tournament as you could then be playing at the same table which is not allowed.
Sorry for any inconvenience this may cause. If you require any further assistance please do not hesitate to contact us.
In Response to Re: Ask Tikay? : Thanks dylan12 and TK we were told when we first started to play that we could not play sit and go games together but tournament play was ok, but according to gemma and the sky customer care team, people with the same ip address cant play in the same tournament, Im sure this will cause a lot of frustration with couples who do play in the same tournament. I hope Im right in thinking that this does not include live play but have gone back to gemma (sky customer care team) to find out. I have cut and past her reply for you to see. Hi Jonathan, Thanks for your email. I am afraid you can not join the same tournament as you could then be playing at the same table which is not allowed. Sorry for any inconvenience this may cause. If you require any further assistance please do not hesitate to contact us. Gemma Customer Care Team Posted by JONONZIE
Just got confirmation from sky that we can play separately to enter and play live events, just cant play online tournaments together
I don't really know the rules on this, & I don't have the remit or authority to comment on it either way, so I must defer to CC in this matter, though I'm slightly surprised at their reply, & in your spot, I'd suggest pushing back at them once more. Don't say I told you too, though.
What I can say, with 100% confidence, that in LIVE Poker (say, an SPT Event) husband & wife are 100% free to play in the same event.
We have many married couples playing the SPT Events, also brothers, father & sons, etc. At the Grand Final, Sue Norsden, (aka KidgirlGy, our Vegas heroine), husband Dave, & their son, all played. In Live poker, everyone can see everyone, so the transparency is total, & if they happen to end up on the same table, the rest of the table can see what's what.
In the interim, I really hope you both qualify for Newcastle, even if you have to qualify in separate Qualifiers.
Hi Jon, I don't really know the rules on this, & I don't have the remit or authority to comment on it either way, so I must defer to CC in this matter, though I'm slightly surprised at their reply, & in your spot, I'd suggest pushing back at them once more. Don't say I told you too, though. What I can say, with 100% confidence, that in LIVE Poker (say, an SPT Event) husband & wife are 100% free to play in the same event. We have many married couples playing the SPT Events, also brothers, father & sons, etc. At the Grand Final, Sue Norsden, (aka KidgirlGy, our Vegas heroine), husband Dave, & their son, all played. In Live poker, everyone can see everyone, so the transparency is total, & if they happen to end up on the same table, the rest of the table can see what's what. In the interim, I really hope you both qualify for Newcastle, even if you have to qualify in seperate Qualifiers. Good Luck. Posted by Tikay10
Hi tikay
If memory serves, this has been covered before, I beleive that because varience is so big in MTT,s, it is possible for for two people from the same ISP to play, even on the same table, just canrt remember where it was
In Response to Re: Ask Tikay? : Hi tikay If memory serves, this has been covered before, I beleive that because varience is so big in MTT,s, it is possible for for two people from the same ISP to play, even on the same table, just canrt remember where it was Posted by acebarry10
Hi Acebarry when we first started to play poker as husband and wife and as novices we mainly played on the sit and go tables as it was fun trying to outplay each other but we received an E mail from sky saying that it was against their rules and could we stop but we were still allowed to play a mmt together , I don't know if the ruling has changed since then but according to Gemma (see thread above) two people with the same IP address cannot play in the same tournament which will invalidate a lot of people on sky poker me thinks
In Response to Re: Ask Tikay? : Hi Acebarry when we first started to play poker as husband and wife and as novices we mainly played on the sit and go tables as it was fun trying to outplay each other but we received an E mail from sky saying that it was against their rules and could we stop but we were still allowed to play a mmt together , I don't know if the ruling has changed since then but according to Gemma (see thread above) two people with the same IP address cannot play in the same tournament which will invalidate a lot of people on sky poker me thinks Posted by JONONZIE
Hi
You are quite right the thing is varience is so different in a SNG, than it is in a MTT which is why I beleive that a couple can play in a MTT, and not an SNG
Tikay, I have been playing on Sky Poker for about 6 months now. I have been playing 6 seated Double Your Money generally, £11, £16.50 or £22 levels, but have done a couple of Bounty Hunters (won 1 and came 12th in the other out of 80 odd people so quite happy). I am showing a profit over these months (nothing to retire on but a profit is a profit) and want to raise my game. Can you suggest any good books to read about the theory and ways to improve my game. I have played some cash tables as well. Done OK but am trying to build my accout balance up before I get too involved in them. Thanks, TERRA295 Posted by TERRA295
Tikay, Thanks for your response and the good advice. Am constantly watching SKY 865 and have improved my game already by watching and listening. Keep up the good work and the rest of the team. TERRA295
In Response to Re: Ask Tikay? : Just got confirmation from sky that we can play separately to enter and play live events, just cant play online tournaments together Posted by JONONZIE
Hi JONONZIE, my partner and I play in the same mtts every now and then from the same ip address. Many times I have shared a table with other well known couples on sky in both large and smaller mtts. The last time we played in the same mtt was last week so maybe the rules have changed since then? If they didn't want 2 people from the same ip address in an mtt surely if one was registered the other one would not be able to?
I have already suggested that Jononzie "pushes back" to Customer Care to clarify the position.
It is not a matter I can comment upon really, nor is it something that can be dealt with via the Community, it's a Customer Care matter, but if anyone wishes to PM me with concerns such as you raise, I'll gladly raise it with Head Office for you, or them.
The Rules are there for a reason, but they differ as to Cash games, SNG's, & MTT's, so the confusion is not without good reason.
Take care now, & I hope you & yours are well, & in good heart.
Hi Tikay, I asked a question on page 122 of this thread but cannot find a reply for it. Can you have a look and see please. Thanks Steve (the one with all the dogs) Posted by bigbiker22
Hi big man,
I'm working to get this Thread fully up to date by the end of this week, & that includes your question, so bear with me please, & apologies for the delay.
Hi Lisa, Good Post. As usual. I have already suggested that Jononzie "pushes back" to Customer Care to clarify the position. It is not a matter I can comment upon really, nor is it something that can be dealt with via the Community, it's a Customer Care matter, but if anyone wishes to PM me with concerns such as you raise, I'll gladly raise it with Head Office for you, or them. The Rules are there for a reason, but they differ as to Cash games, SNG's, & MTT's, so the confusion is not without good reason. Take care now, & I hope you & yours are well, & in good heart. Ps - xxxxxxxxxxx Posted by Tikay10
last weekend i played 2 stt only 30p games with my mate and we were in the same house same ip address, i have tried this before with another mate and would not let the other register so may have changed i think? i still cashed both and he didnt sigh (
In Response to Re: Ask Tikay? : Hi JONONZIE, my partner and I play in the same mtts every now and then from the same ip address. Many times I have shared a table with other well known couples on sky in both large and smaller mtts. The last time we played in the same mtt was last week so maybe the rules have changed since then? If they didn't want 2 people from the same ip address in an mtt surely if one was registered the other one would not be able to? Posted by MADMOO
Hi madmoo thanks for your input the wife and I have played many MTTs together just freerolls or £2.30 bounty hunters and sometimes ended up on the same table without any problems, it was when I asked the customer care team if we could play in the same satellite into the SPT that we were told that we cant enter any online MTT together, I think that sometime ago when we played on another site the software did not allow us to register for the same tournament so it was easy to know if you were allowed to play together or not but sky do not seem to have this facility so rely on the players honesty, that's if they realise in the first place, so am now a bit upset that I cant play with the wife anymore (at poker )wish I hadn't asked now ignorance is bliss lol
I have just played a sit and go with Magicalman. He is a sky team player. Halfway through the game there was an all in followed by two callers one of callers who called 3rd had 88. After the hand finished. magicalman wrote on the chatbox that the caller with 88 should not have called and was a moron.
Although I agree the call was not the best I think it is very disrespectful for another player to call him a moron, especially when the player is meant to be representing Sky.I think his comments are very bad and also reflect badly on the site
I have just played a sit and go with Magicalman. He is a sky team player. Halfway through the game there was an all in followed by two callers one of callers who called 3rd had 88. After the hand finished. magicalman wrote on the chatbox that the caller with 88 should not have called and was a moron. Although I agree the call was not the best I think it is very disrespectful for another player to call him a moron, especially when the player is meant to be representing Sky.I think his comments are very bad and also reflect badly on the site Posted by BG92
Welcome to our Community, Mr BG.
I agree entirely, that it's most disrespectful to call any other player a "moron", no matter what the circumstances, & I'd like to think that no decent player would resort to such childish & rude comments.
The player you mention, however, is most certainly not a "Sky Team" player. With the exception of Lisa-Marie Long, all of the Team Sky Poker players are up in Blackpool today, playing Live, at the GUKPT.
If you are unhappy with the conduct of ANY player, you should report them to Customer Care. We want Sky Poker to be a place where players can enjoy their poker free of such puerile nonsense.
Comments
What adjustements need to be made when moving from NLHE MTTs and SNGs to PLO MTTs and SNGs? Primarily I'm thinking about not being able to shove with ten big blinds. When you get down to ten big blinds, do you just stick a pot sized raise in pre-flop and say that you are committed to the hand? Or do you just allow yourself to get down to, say, five big blinds before you need to do that?
Thanks
W
The evening Tourney was nothing to do with Sky Poker, so if you had problems, & it sounds like you did, it's best to complain to local Management at the G.
For what it's worth, with one exception, I've played in most UK Casinos, & it's best not to have much expectations as to Customer Service or good organisation, as it ain't gonna happen I'm afraid.
So I just chill, & what is, is, because we can't beat the system, & British Live Poker is, on the whole, not a well-managed or organised product. To be fair, I played Friday night's Tourney, & it was run just fine.
It's very easy to be critical, but it's not easy pleasing us poker players! As one who has organised &/or run hundreds of them, I speak from bitter experience on both sides of the fence.
If we pot it in PLO with 10 bigs in total, we are pot-stuck really. This means we need to try to engineer a situation where we can ramp it up pre, so as to put the max pressure on by getting the lot in pre. This is why Pot Limit is such a game of skill, especially when mixed with Omaha.
What you might try is limping in early pos if there is an aggro or serial Raiser on the Table behind you, let HIM be the Raiser, & so now you have some serious leverage to pot it, & allowing for a limper or two before all the action, we can now get the lot in.
What I would deffo NEVER do, is play No-Limit Omaha. It's brutally swingy, & is not for the faint-hearted, as the "Omaha Roulette" players just jam every hand. And in Omaha, even A-A-K-K (DS) is not that far ahead of anything.
Good Luck you.
If there's only two players left in the pot and one shoves is it allowable for the other player to reveal his hand (or even say what it is) when still making his decision?
Cheers - bandini
Hi Tikay, posted this in The Poker Clinic and haven't had a conslusive answer yet. What sayeth thou young man?
Add on to the Omaha question earlier in the post - I still cannot find the reasons for all the raising pre that I see happening, my (limited) understanding is that Omaha is a post flop game & no hand pre is that far ahead, so bumping up the pot serves little purpose (duck the flying tomatoes etc.)
In NLH I understand the reasons but this eludes (spelling?) me?
PS. Whats wrong with Brussell Spouts?
PPS. I think someone let the cat out of the bag about your secret re age - wasnt me!
Thanking you in advance
Daran
I have cut and past her reply for you to see.
Hi Jonathan,
Thanks for your email.
I am afraid you can not join the same tournament as you could then be playing at the same table which is not allowed.
Sorry for any inconvenience this may cause. If you require any further assistance please do not hesitate to contact us.
Customer Care Team
Hi Jon,
I don't really know the rules on this, & I don't have the remit or authority to comment on it either way, so I must defer to CC in this matter, though I'm slightly surprised at their reply, & in your spot, I'd suggest pushing back at them once more. Don't say I told you too, though.
What I can say, with 100% confidence, that in LIVE Poker (say, an SPT Event) husband & wife are 100% free to play in the same event.
We have many married couples playing the SPT Events, also brothers, father & sons, etc. At the Grand Final, Sue Norsden, (aka KidgirlGy, our Vegas heroine), husband Dave, & their son, all played. In Live poker, everyone can see everyone, so the transparency is total, & if they happen to end up on the same table, the rest of the table can see what's what.
In the interim, I really hope you both qualify for Newcastle, even if you have to qualify in separate Qualifiers.
Good Luck.
If memory serves, this has been covered before, I beleive that because varience is so big in MTT,s, it is possible for for two people from the same ISP to play, even on the same table, just canrt remember where it was
You are quite right the thing is varience is so different in a SNG, than it is in a MTT which is why I beleive that a couple can play in a MTT, and not an SNG
Thanks for your response and the good advice.
Am constantly watching SKY 865 and have improved my game already by watching and listening.
Keep up the good work and the rest of the team.
TERRA295
I asked a question on page 122 of this thread but cannot find a reply for it. Can you have a look and see please.
Thanks
Steve (the one with all the dogs)
this question has probably been done many times but i cant find it on the thread lol
how do you play 2-2 3-3 4-4 everytime i raise i get called and lose and when i flat call i lose is it just better to bin them?
If they didn't want 2 people from the same ip address in an mtt surely if one was registered the other one would not be able to?
Hi Lisa,
Good Post. As usual.
I have already suggested that Jononzie "pushes back" to Customer Care to clarify the position.
It is not a matter I can comment upon really, nor is it something that can be dealt with via the Community, it's a Customer Care matter, but if anyone wishes to PM me with concerns such as you raise, I'll gladly raise it with Head Office for you, or them.
The Rules are there for a reason, but they differ as to Cash games, SNG's, & MTT's, so the confusion is not without good reason.
Take care now, & I hope you & yours are well, & in good heart.
Ps - xxxxxxxxxxx
I'm working to get this Thread fully up to date by the end of this week, & that includes your question, so bear with me please, & apologies for the delay.
I,ve just been watching the clips from the SPT in Blackpool on youtube, but i didn,t see any hands been played.
As the cameras were showing some of the hands as they were being played out is there anwhere i can find them to watch?
Paul
Hi Geeepeee, I am afraid I have had to delete your post from this thread as I feel it was inappropriate for this or any other forum thread. Sky Mod

Although I agree the call was not the best I think it is very disrespectful for another player to call him a moron, especially when the player is meant to be representing Sky.I think his comments are very bad and also reflect badly on the site
I agree entirely, that it's most disrespectful to call any other player a "moron", no matter what the circumstances, & I'd like to think that no decent player would resort to such childish & rude comments.
The player you mention, however, is most certainly not a "Sky Team" player. With the exception of Lisa-Marie Long, all of the Team Sky Poker players are up in Blackpool today, playing Live, at the GUKPT.
If you are unhappy with the conduct of ANY player, you should report them to Customer Care. We want Sky Poker to be a place where players can enjoy their poker free of such puerile nonsense.
Good luck at the Tables.