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There is a market for 30p dyms (they ran 24/7 as far as i am aware as i occaionally played the odd one to detilt), and not one for £220 dyms at the moment. Im finding the logic hard to understand as to why the 30p ones have been removed...
from what i see 30 dym were popular so why delete theM?
also why are the £100 dym's still up if as tommy says "they hardly ever run"?
I also dislike the mood moving towards the 'these never run so why are they still up.' I posted to give my support to the 30p games returning as there was a clear market for it as well as many members of the community who were upset seeing them go. I want everyone to be catered for while there is interest and they are viable. I'd like everyone to continue to focus on the positives of 'Sky react to what the players say and we would like the 30p games back because we enjoy and play them' rather than 'Why do the bigger stake players get to keep their games?'
I'd like to point out that the OP has played 2,241 30p DYMs on Sky Poker generating £112 of rake. He's stopped playing now. Do Sky really want to lose this and others business?
I think some people have probably chosen the wrong words and I assume (and hope) what they actually mean is, 'can we have the 30p DYMs back please' as appose to 'ok well lets get rid of the £220 games too'.
Perhaps I'm being naive but I suspect the £110, £165 and £220 games have virtually zero affect on liquidity because they appeal to a quite specific market that's currently on Sky so Sky (and the players) will gain nothing by taking them away. However I think Sky and the players (and potential new players) are losing something big by taking 30p games away.
What is the difference between this and saying 'we're getting rid of 4NL because it will increase the number of tables that run at 8NL'? That is probably true, but overall will reduce the number of micro cash players.
3,270 x 5p = £163.50 paid in rake
long may it last gl
You've played 622 NLH and 205 PLO 30p DYMs.
I just dont understand why sky keep deleting popular games?
Maybe it logistics of running software?,i dont know anything about such stuff but if games are being played what is the harm in keeping them alongside any new ones?.
It seem that as soon as a new format gets introduced one of the old games has to be removed for it.
is it logistics or a case of "they will play them if we remove some others"?
No answers to any of the genuine logical questions that people have raised in both threads related to this topic.
As a business Sky would be looking at revenue forecasts moving forward and Tikay said last night that there is usually a downswing of people playing during the summer months, which would obviously lead to a drop in forecasted revenue.
Maybe they took the decision that those who do play would have to play higher buy-in games to recover revenue.
Perhaps they'll reinstate them in the Autumn???
Just my thoughts thats all.
Even if this is the case, it would be nice for Sky to explain this and not just ignore the threads.
On the topic of Tikay mentioning things on the show, I did mean to post in after he said it but didn't get round to it... they got a question from a guy who said he had a small BR and wanted some advice on what to play etc and Tikay suggested micro DYMs as a great way for new players to start. This has always been something Tikay has said (and I agree) as it's a great cheap way to learn the basics, and it now just got twice as expensive for every single new player
Would put a stop to all this speculation.
Totally agree with your last point, pretty much every expert/analyst have advised starting at the micro stakes for new players with small B/R.
I definitely don't believe it was greed or anything of the sort by Sky, but I do think it's a mistake... we all make them, and Sky more than most set themselves up for it (don't mean that in a bad way) because they are so experimental and give things a go. So they will always be open to people disagreeing with them trying things out.
From what I've read here the reason is that they aren't popular and it's assumed that there is a cost implication to running them. That gives me a problem in understanding why they would be dropped.
Another area I don't visit is the play tables (free tables). Now I can't see that a 30p table or a £200 table cost any more or less to run than a play table. Have the play tables been reduced or done away with? Before someone reads half the post and gets the wrong end of the stick I'm not suggesting they should be. It's just that if Sky can run free tables then surely 30p or even 5p tables are worth more to them.
I think this is a way of increasing rake, pure and simple. The main event tournaments had all the buy-ins doubled(or made rebuys) last year. The guarantees increased accordingly but have since dropped back so that we now pay double the buy-in for approximately the same prize-money.
I think the demise of the 30p DYM is the same thing - increased rake or a way of maintaining rake from reduced numbers.