In Response to Re: craigcu12 diary : i do...i'm having the same problem atm. i tend to usually get off to a bad start for some reason losing big hands v big hands then it settles down to something like normal,and then i usually win it back,showing a good profit on each table. i also top up all the time as i like to lose the maximum whenever possible. lol it is surprising how the little 22p here and 18p there,etc all add up. so in my case anyway,can't speak for Craig obviously,it seems like a vicious circle. (* *) ^ dev Posted by devonfish5
+1 like devon says i will usually have needed to top up again either before i even started. or like friday getting so unlucky from things ike this
Well obv that kind of hand is not the problem, they are hitting quads so rarely its totally +ve your play.
I can only assume there is some kind of underlying leak in your game. Probably in hands you think are insignificant and you dont post here.
Im sure it would be a pain, but if you were to write down every two cards you entered a pot with (and the amount and the position) I am pretty sure the leak would become clear. As I said, a lot of work, but if you cannot work out where you are losing money - this would probably highlight it.
A winning player is not only one that maximises their winnings when they have the best hand, it is a person that can realise when they are not, and save their chips for a better spot.
Perhaps you need to address the TAG aspect. Get even tighter when you have a marginal hand and even more aggressive when you are likely ahead.
Well obv that kind of hand is not the problem, they are hitting quads so rarely its totally +ve your play. I can only assume there is some kind of underlying leak in your game. Probably in hands you think are insignificant and you dont post here. Im sure it would be a pain, but if you were to write down every two cards you entered a pot with (and the amount and the position) I am pretty sure the leak would become clear. As I said, a lot of work, but if you cannot work out where you are losing money - this would probably highlight it. A winning player is not only one that maximises their winnings when they have the best hand, it is a person that can realise when they are not, and save their chips for a better spot. Perhaps you need to address the TAG aspect. Get even tighter when you have a marginal hand and even more aggressive when you are likely ahead. Posted by calcalfold
it is down to bad luck or hard to spot hands
craigcu12
Small blind
£0.02
£0.02
£4.10
mrmobius
Big blind
£0.04
£0.06
£5.42
Your hole cards
8
8
dini1984
Fold
Chiddy2114
Fold
mojo1
Call
£0.04
£0.10
£2.71
dale1965
Call
£0.04
£0.14
£6.81
craigcu12
Call
£0.02
£0.16
£4.08
mrmobius
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Flop
Q
8
K
craigcu12
Bet
£0.12
£0.28
£3.96
mrmobius
Fold
mojo1
Fold
dale1965
Raise
£0.42
£0.70
£6.39
craigcu12
Raise
£1.05
£1.75
£2.91
dale1965
Raise
£1.50
£3.25
£4.89
craigcu12
All-in
£2.91
£6.16
£0.00
dale1965
Call
£2.16
£8.32
£2.73
craigcu12
Show
8
8
dale1965
Show
10
J
Turn
A
Groper607
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£0.02
£0.02
£1.91
liane17
Big blind
£0.04
£0.06
£1.98
Your hole cards
J
J
emad1960
Call
£0.04
£0.10
£6.06
spursutd
Fold
connaig
Call
£0.04
£0.14
£10.34
craigcu12
Raise
£0.20
£0.34
£3.80
Groper607
Call
£0.18
£0.52
£1.73
liane17
Fold
emad1960
Fold
connaig
Call
£0.16
£0.68
£10.18
Flop
4
7
9
Groper607
Check
connaig
Check
craigcu12
Bet
£0.51
£1.19
£3.29
Groper607
Fold
connaig
Call
£0.51
£1.70
£9.67
Turn
Q
connaig
Bet
£1.70
£3.40
£7.97
craigcu12
Call
£1.70
£5.10
£1.59
River
K
connaig
Check
craigcu12
All-in
£1.59
£6.69
£0.00
connaig
Call
£1.59
£8.28
£6.38
connaig
Show
9
4
craigcu12
Show
J
J
it is main down to bad luck because like i said on friday lots of them big losses were from villians who held weak hands or jammed and hit the lucky card JJv 94 i lost kkvs36s but i lost as he hit two pair and AKo vs AJo AK lost on friday the only heavy losses which would happen most times were AKsvs KK and 1010vs JJ on a 9 high flop.
"it is main down to bad luck because like i said on friday lots of them big losses were from villians who held weak hands or jammed and hit the lucky card"
Dude. no
The above hand with jacks, you played it bad. Fact. Please understand this. Stop blaming "luck" and "villans with weak hands"
FWIW what did you pot villain on when you called the turn and shoved the river?
Logically villain must have had a hand that beat a pair of queens, or else he wouldnt have donked out a pot bet on the turn, would he!? Futhermore why are you then shipping the river? There are so so so many hands that beat you, and hardly any worse hands that are calling. Scratch that. There are no worse hands that are calling.
Lets cut to brass tacks, you shipped the river because you refused to lay down jacks out of imo pure defiance, and didnt know where you were and didnt want to face a tough decision if (when) villain shipped had you checked. Am I right or am I right.....
I do pretty well at 4nl, and I think I play a good ABC game. It would be a cold day in hell before I even considered calling that turn bet. Let alone shove the river.
All these players that have "weak holdings" will play hands with me just as much as they play with you. I think the difference is, I have the ability to fold hands that might look pretty, but are clearly beat.
Please take this in the constructive way that it was written.
with that hand i did not have a clue because A he just called preflop and the flop and when he goes on to bet the turn ok he might hold a Q but why does he go so big when their is still a chance i could hold AA KK or QQ. the point i am saying is this is mainly guess work because far to often bets are made later on. as for my donk on the river that came after the villian had already checked so i could not see him holding a flush and most these villians don't build the pots with draws only once they hit the flush the build them up and the number of villians i see fold as soon as they see a bet made when the flush hits i just went with a bluff. but that hand TBH should have lost me most my money because had he made a bet right away i would have certainly reraised because he could have held A9 or 1010 or even went for a semi bluff. if you think i don't have the ability to fold then look at this the chances are i didn't know that villian well. but i do fold some strong hands.
JJJS01
Small blind
£0.02
£0.02
£3.59
craigcu12
Big blind
£0.04
£0.06
£5.71
Your hole cards
A
A
cus2
Fold
snaptilt
Fold
JJJS01
Call
£0.02
£0.08
£3.57
craigcu12
Raise
£0.16
£0.24
£5.55
JJJS01
Call
£0.16
£0.40
£3.41
Flop
Q
8
7
JJJS01
Check
craigcu12
Bet
£0.30
£0.70
£5.25
JJJS01
Call
£0.30
£1.00
£3.11
Turn
3
JJJS01
Check
craigcu12
Bet
£0.50
£1.50
£4.75
JJJS01
Raise
£1.00
£2.50
£2.11
craigcu12
Call
£0.50
£3.00
£4.25
River
8
JJJS01
All-in
£2.11
£5.11
£0.00
craigcu12
Fold
i hold an over pair and the board pairs but i still make a fold. here is another example
overall my progress today was up by £1.43 as for my hand history these were my losses £4.80 A9 vs 45 board was 239A it went all in on the turn 3.73 QQvs AA preflop £2.99 £2.90 QQvs88 £2.27 a bluff that failed £1-£2 6 hands as for my wins £4.04 £3.28 £3.03 £2-£3 5 hands £1-£2 8 hands
"when he goes on to bet the turn ok he might hold a Q but why does he go so big when their is still a chance i could hold AA KK or QQ."
I think you need to appreciate that most other players are not thinking at level 2, most 4nl players will be thinking at level 1. He knows his hand and bets accordingly, your hand isnt given consideration.
Plus of course, on the turn, he is beating AA and KK anyway.
Oh, and if your not sure what I mean, google "levels of poker thought".
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And FWIW
Im never folding Kings on that JT7,
Could easily be a draw or a top pair scared of a draw.
Never heard of that player so im calling there everytime.
thing at the minute don't look too good and today i lost £12 which TBH is quite suprising when i have managed to get more winning hands over £1 than losses over £1 winnings £3.22 £2-£3 4 hands £1-£2 19 hands losses £3.75 £2.39 £2.10 £1-£2 11 hands TBH i think it is one of two possibilities i am either being to scare with my bets or calling too many of the min raises from the BB.
LARSON7
Small blind
£0.02
£0.02
£6.26
craigcu12
Big blind
£0.04
£0.06
£7.01
Your hole cards
Q
A
Big_Baz49
Fold
Hawks62
Fold
Pavillion
Call
£0.04
£0.10
£5.37
davies1876
Call
£0.04
£0.14
£3.69
LARSON7
Call
£0.02
£0.16
£6.24
craigcu12
Raise
£0.16
£0.32
£6.85
Pavillion
Call
£0.16
£0.48
£5.21
davies1876
Call
£0.16
£0.64
£3.53
LARSON7
Fold
Flop
8
Q
3
craigcu12
Bet
£0.48
£1.12
£6.37
Pavillion
Call
£0.48
£1.60
£4.73
davies1876
Fold
Turn
7
craigcu12
Bet
£0.80
£2.40
£5.57
Pavillion
Call
£0.80
£3.20
£3.93
River
8
craigcu12
Check
Pavillion
Check
craigcu12
Show
Q
A
Pavillion
Muck
9
Q
craigcu12
Win
Two Pairs, Queens and 8s
£2.96
£8.53
here an 8 might have came on the river but as value bets are so rare i might a well have still made a small bet. same can probably be said with this one
my best hand today was my QQQAA because atleast i did not let the risk of him holding AA AQ A2 A10 prevent me doubling my stack from those weaker hands that would still call
today i don't seem to be doing as bad with things and managed to win £3.26 and £7.88 on two of my 5 tables i did loose £6.80 on one table but the main cause was QQvAA allin preflop and set vs straight on the turn. the hand i liked best was this
bokata
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£0.02
£0.02
£4.46
sunny1988
Big blind
£0.04
£0.06
£3.04
Your hole cards
A
J
dersili
Fold
coco521
Fold
x
Raise
£0.08
£0.14
£6.01
craigcu12
Call
£0.08
£0.22
£3.26
bokata
Fold
sunny1988
Call
£0.04
£0.26
£3.00
Flop
6
J
K
sunny1988
Check
x
Bet
£0.13
£0.39
£5.88
craigcu12
Call
£0.13
£0.52
£3.13
sunny1988
Fold
Turn
5
x
Bet
£0.52
£1.04
£5.36
craigcu12
Call
£0.52
£1.56
£2.61
River
2
x
Bet
£0.56
£2.12
£4.80
craigcu12
Raise
£1.90
£4.02
£0.71
x
Fold
craigcu12
Muck
craigcu12
Win
£2.47
£3.18
craigcu12
Return
£1.34
£0.21
£4.52
knowing how rare villians do bets with draws so called the flop and turn then used that 3rd diamond as a chance to bluff the river.
my week end might have been bad but today things have been much better. although i lost 3.29 in the mini BH my cash tables won me 9.91 so overall i have gained 6.29 today my £1+ hand history winning and losses today were losses-£3.89, £3.76, £2.97, £2.40 £1.15 and £1.05 the profits were £3.26 £2.49 £2.48 £2.32 £1-£2 12 hands
the big losses i did get today were nearly all bad luck the only questionable one was this
after starting off so well this afternoon managing to only get 1 loss over £1 in comparison to 8 winnings over£1 tonight was awful. my BR has finished at £100.64 The hand history was losses of £4.82 £3.84 £2-£3 5 hands £1-£2 9 hands the winnings were £4.26 £3.59 £2-£3 4 hands £1-£2 10 hands with the last two hours getting me losses of £3.84 £2.15 £2.08 and 4 hands between £1-£2 while my wins were just £1.48 £1.32 and £1.20
their are three hand which probably reveal why things went wrong.
george3286
Small blind
£0.02
£0.02
£2.96
SINGA
Big blind
£0.04
£0.06
£2.89
Your hole cards
A
10
x
Raise
£0.16
£0.22
£3.81
craigcu12
Call
£0.16
£0.38
£3.30
george3286
Fold
SINGA
Fold
Flop
J
10
3
x
Bet
£0.19
£0.57
£3.62
craigcu12
Call
£0.19
£0.76
£3.11
Turn
6
x
Bet
£0.38
£1.14
£3.24
craigcu12
Call
£0.38
£1.52
£2.73
River
3
x
Bet
£0.76
£2.28
£2.48
craigcu12
Call
£0.76
£3.04
£1.97
HolyCowzz
Show
K
Q
craigcu12
Show
A
10
craigcu12
Win
Two Pairs, 10s and 3s
£2.81
£4.78
LuvNuts
Small blind
£0.02
£0.02
£2.72
Pavillion
Big blind
£0.04
£0.06
£6.53
Your hole cards
Q
K
x
Raise
£0.08
£0.14
£8.28
craigcu12
Raise
£0.20
£0.34
£3.64
LuvNuts
Fold
Pavillion
Call
£0.16
£0.50
£6.37
x
Call
£0.12
£0.62
£8.16
Flop
10
2
Q
Pavillion
Check
x
Bet
£0.62
£1.24
£7.54
craigcu12
Call
£0.62
£1.86
£3.02
Pavillion
Fold
Turn
K
x
Bet
£1.86
£3.72
£5.68
craigcu12
All-in
£3.02
£6.74
£0.00
x
Call
£1.16
£7.90
£4.52
x
Show
J
9
craigcu12
Show
Q
K
River
6
x
Win
Straight to the King
£7.30
£11.82
Scratville
Small blind
£0.02
£0.02
£4.88
y
Big blind
£0.04
£0.06
£2.42
Your hole cards
K
Q
x
Call
£0.04
£0.10
£2.60
narked
Fold
craigcu12
Raise
£0.16
£0.26
£2.45
wilfilson1
Fold
Scratville
Fold
y
Call
£0.12
£0.38
£2.30
x
Call
£0.12
£0.50
£2.48
Flop
Q
10
3
y
Bet
£0.50
£1.00
£1.80
x
All-in
£2.48
£3.48
£0.00
craigcu12
Fold
y
All-in
£1.80
£5.28
£0.00
x
Unmatched bet
£0.18
£5.10
£0.18
y
Show
9
Q
x
Show
5
K
Turn
K
River
10
during the day it seems rare for a villian to bet with his draws and if he does bet it is just the minimum so with these hand i went with the J9 being an over pair or QJ QK the KQ i was think would be Jx and the K5s i could only see that being Q10. but i guess at night villian are much more aggressive and have a much wider hand range that includes draws too.
today was quite a good day for me. overall i gained £15.11 profit and my BR is £115.75 my hand history today was losses £3.85 £3.81 £3.04 £2.15 £2.03 £1-£2 10 hands profit £5.97 £4.12 £3.29 £2-£3 11 hands £1-£2 12 hands i did have a few difficult hands which i might have been ahead but folded in this hand it looked way to much like he held a pair with a 7 that got the straight
craigcu12
Small blind
£0.02
£0.02
£5.94
peteblue16
Big blind
£0.04
£0.06
£2.80
Your hole cards
8
8
darkmind
Fold
Monk187
Call
£0.04
£0.10
£2.32
BIGSHANN
Fold
x
Call
£0.04
£0.14
£3.77
craigcu12
Call
£0.02
£0.16
£5.92
peteblue16
Check
Flop
4
8
6
craigcu12
Check
peteblue16
Check
Monk187
Check
x
Bet
£0.04
£0.20
£3.73
craigcu12
Raise
£0.16
£0.36
£5.76
peteblue16
Fold
Monk187
Call
£0.16
£0.52
£2.16
x
Call
£0.12
£0.64
£3.61
Turn
5
craigcu12
Bet
£0.36
£1.00
£5.40
Monk187
Fold
x
Raise
£1.72
£2.72
£1.89
craigcu12
Call
£1.36
£4.08
£4.04
River
3
craigcu12
Check
x
All-in
£1.89
£5.97
£0.00
craigcu12
Fold
x
Muck
x
Win
£3.77
£3.77
x
Return
£1.89
£0.31
£5.66
when i considered the size of this villians stack i just couldn't see him risking a bluff on the turn as he probably knew i held an ace with the flop being raised. so all it left me thinking was he has a FH
i did make some hero calls when i saw him just limp in preflop what i would have expected is for him to just call all the way with a FH plus if he has the FH and did want to jam why not do it on the flop i don't know what he had knowing he limped in preflop.
baz666
Small blind
£0.02
£0.02
£3.29
craigcu12
Big blind
£0.04
£0.06
£4.72
Your hole cards
Q
7
x
Call
£0.04
£0.10
£5.88
cactusjac
Fold
cpcb
Fold
baz666
Call
£0.02
£0.12
£3.27
craigcu12
Check
Flop
3
Q
Q
baz666
Bet
£0.04
£0.16
£3.23
craigcu12
Raise
£0.24
£0.40
£4.48
x
Raise
£0.48
£0.88
£5.40
baz666
Fold
craigcu12
Call
£0.24
£1.12
£4.24
Turn
4
craigcu12
Check
x
All-in
£5.40
£6.52
£0.00
craigcu12
All-in
£4.24
£10.76
£0.00
x
Unmatched bet
£1.16
£9.60
£1.16
craigcu12
Show
Q
7
x
Show
River
Q
craigcu12
Win
Four Queens
£8.88
£8.88
i didn't see him reraise the flop or jam the turn so i went with Qx and on the river i just looked at it thinking if he has AQ then i accept the loss but he could be trying to bluff it himself
I did notice you called an all in pre flop for AQ against a pretty big stack, other chap had QQ, was that based on notes or is that a standard call for you? if standard I would suggest that may be a leak, against small stacks its fine, but mid/big stacks you are often 50/50 or way behind.
Craig, I did notice you called an all in pre flop for AQ against a pretty big stack, other chap had QQ, was that based on notes or is that a standard call for you? if standard I would suggest that may be a leak, against small stacks its fine, but mid/big stacks you are often 50/50 or way behind. Posted by calcalfold
what i was looking to have him on was JJ because with him being OOP and if he knew how i play post flop had an A K or Q came he might have been unsure how to progress from their even though i might have held a weaker pair than JJ while doing a cbet. so what i thought myself was with AK i will jam 99% of the time and on this occasion AQ is not much differant. just took the risk accepting defeat if it happened but what i know now is this villian does jam right away with his premium hands so theirfore only AK will be called by me.
the reason i say AK is jammed 99% of the time is with most deep stack villian they will probably know me better and have notes so if i were only going to reraise and make or call a jam with QQ KK or AA then it will make it very easy for folds to be made by the villian if he holds QQ-1010 overall that might have been very lucky but i think i made some very good folds yesterday.
that triple aces the reason for that fold was i notice the villian was on more than just one table so what i thought was he would know i hold the A and he has either got a set or two pair so when he saw me make another big bet he knew for sure i held an A so used that as the chance to then double with his FH. what got me to still make the call with triple queens was if he was holding a FH himself then surely he would jam the flop so it left me thinking he is doing a bluff.
Hmmmm I would have to say I disagree with a lot of those thought processes.
Firstly you are putting him on one hand, when you should always be putting players on a range, and the broadness of the range can be adjusted depending on notes available.
Secondly if you are putting him on JJ, AQ should be a clear fold, since you are only 42.5% to win the hand.
Thirdly, risks should not be taken on the basis of accepting a defeat. Risks should be taken when you have right odds to do so. Whereas accepting defeat (in a given hand) should be part of a players mental conditioning to avoid tilt after taking a loss.
Hmmmm I would have to say I disagree with a lot of those thought processes. Firstly you are putting him on one hand, when you should always be putting players on a range, and the broadness of the range can be adjusted depending on notes available. Secondly if you are putting him on JJ, AQ should be a clear fold, since you are only 42.5% to win the hand. Thirdly, risks should not be taken on the basis of accepting a defeat. Risks should be taken when you have right odds to do so. Whereas accepting defeat (in a given hand) should be part of a players mental conditioning to avoid tilt after taking a loss. All intended as constructive criticism. ccf Posted by calcalfold
i might be wrong to have called with AQ but atleast i know now that villian makes shoves with good hands if it were AK that i held then i would be making the call for sure otherwise villians will find it very easy to fold knowing i will only hold the premium pairs if i shove so therefore most QQ will only get called by KK or AA leaving me thinking QQ is to risky.
today was again another good day. overall i managed to win £18.13 from the cash tables which give me a bankroll of £132.68 my hand history today was losses of 4.23 3.71 3.28 caused from a weaker set and FH and a nut flush vs FH £1-£2 8 hands the profits were £3-£4 6 hands £2-£4 6 hands £1-£2 13 hands
what today did seem to have was quite a lot of maniacs here were some of those hands i had
Royston777
Small blind
£0.02
£0.02
£3.48
Atomsmash
Big blind
£0.04
£0.06
£3.90
Your hole cards
9
9
x
Call
£0.04
£0.10
£3.86
craigcu12
Raise
£0.20
£0.30
£5.56
Royston777
Fold
Atomsmash
Fold
x
Call
£0.16
£0.46
£3.70
Flop
9
4
10
x
Bet
£0.23
£0.69
£3.47
craigcu12
Raise
£0.92
£1.61
£4.64
x
Call
£0.69
£2.30
£2.78
Turn
5
x
Bet
£2.30
£4.60
£0.48
craigcu12
All-in
£4.64
£9.24
£0.00
x
All-in
£0.48
£9.72
£0.00
craigcu12
Unmatched bet
£1.86
£7.86
£1.86
x
Show
J
6
craigcu12
Show
9
9
River
Q
craigcu12
Win
Three 9s
£7.27
£9.13
the hand i feel most annoyed with was this i might have played it badly post flop but i wouldn't expect many to wait until post flop. wonder how the villian himself would have fealt had the K came as the chances of me then calling a jam would drop greatly know two pairs would have been possible.
x
Small blind
£0.02
£0.02
£7.30
craigcu12
Big blind
£0.04
£0.06
£6.35
Your hole cards
A
A
BIGSHANN
Fold
x
Raise
£0.06
£0.12
£7.24
craigcu12
Raise
£0.28
£0.40
£6.07
x
Call
£0.24
£0.64
£7.00
Flop
Q
J
6
x
Check
craigcu12
Bet
£0.32
£0.96
£5.75
x
Call
£0.32
£1.28
£6.68
Turn
4
x
Check
craigcu12
Check
River
6
x
Bet
£0.96
£2.24
£5.72
craigcu12
Call
£0.96
£3.20
£4.79
x
Show
K
K
craigcu12
Show
A
A
craigcu12
Win
Two Pairs, Aces and 6s
£2.96
£7.75
my best bit of play was this bluff i pulled by using the 3rd Q as trips
Hand 2, Why check the 4? it doesnt change anything. The check just makes it harder to play for stacks on the river.
Hand 3, I dont really like this for the following reason. Turn gave you information that villain might not be keen on their holding any longer. No need to bluff pot bet. If they are folding for £1.84 they will almost certainly fold for about £1.10 and maybe even less than that. You will fold out the same hands and also save yourself the 74pence if you get called. So imo avoid mashing the pot button as a default choice for bluffs.
Also, are you just loading up x number of tables and remaining on them for the duration of your session?
had a very difficult decision with this hand with the flop getting raised i was starting to think he has a third J an only called with it being a min raise then when the 3rd J comes on the turn when he jammed i was looking at it being quads because with these hands looking so unlikely he might have believe it would be easy for me to call it also another thing that i have noted down about this villian is he won't reraise the premium pairs preflop instead he will start getting aggressive post flop so as well as J being possible he might have held AA or KK i just didn't see him likely to hold 10 10 or 99 because if he is so passive with premium pairs preflop i didn't expect him to reraise on the flop with 99 or 1010 when their is two jacks
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like devon says i will usually have needed to top up again either before i even started. or like friday getting so unlucky from things ike this
I can only assume there is some kind of underlying leak in your game. Probably in hands you think are insignificant and you dont post here.
Im sure it would be a pain, but if you were to write down every two cards you entered a pot with (and the amount and the position) I am pretty sure the leak would become clear. As I said, a lot of work, but if you cannot work out where you are losing money - this would probably highlight it.
A winning player is not only one that maximises their winnings when they have the best hand, it is a person that can realise when they are not, and save their chips for a better spot.
Perhaps you need to address the TAG aspect. Get even tighter when you have a marginal hand and even more aggressive when you are likely ahead.
JJv 94 i lost kkvs36s but i lost as he hit two pair and AKo vs AJo AK lost
on friday the only heavy losses which would happen most times were AKsvs KK and 1010vs JJ on a 9 high flop.
Dude. no
The above hand with jacks, you played it bad. Fact. Please understand this. Stop blaming "luck" and "villans with weak hands"
FWIW what did you pot villain on when you called the turn and shoved the river?
Logically villain must have had a hand that beat a pair of queens, or else he wouldnt have donked out a pot bet on the turn, would he!? Futhermore why are you then shipping the river? There are so so so many hands that beat you, and hardly any worse hands that are calling. Scratch that. There are no worse hands that are calling.
Lets cut to brass tacks, you shipped the river because you refused to lay down jacks out of imo pure defiance, and didnt know where you were and didnt want to face a tough decision if (when) villain shipped had you checked. Am I right or am I right.....
I do pretty well at 4nl, and I think I play a good ABC game. It would be a cold day in hell before I even considered calling that turn bet. Let alone shove the river.
All these players that have "weak holdings" will play hands with me just as much as they play with you. I think the difference is, I have the ability to fold hands that might look pretty, but are clearly beat.
Please take this in the constructive way that it was written.
with that hand i did not have a clue because A he just called preflop and the flop and when he goes on to bet the turn ok he might hold a Q but why does he go so big when their is still a chance i could hold AA KK or QQ.
the point i am saying is this is mainly guess work because far to often bets are made later on. as for my donk on the river that came after the villian had already checked so i could not see him holding a flush and most these villians don't build the pots with draws only once they hit the flush the build them up and the number of villians i see fold as soon as they see a bet made when the flush hits i just went with a bluff. but that hand TBH should have lost me most my money because had he made a bet right away i would have certainly reraised because he could have held A9 or 1010 or even went for a semi bluff.
if you think i don't have the ability to fold then look at this
the chances are i didn't know that villian well.
but i do fold some strong hands.
here is another example
some villians do donk with nothing
as for my hand history these were my losses
£4.80 A9 vs 45 board was 239A it went all in on the turn
3.73 QQvs AA preflop
£2.99
£2.90 QQvs88
£2.27 a bluff that failed
£1-£2 6 hands
as for my wins
£4.04
£3.28
£3.03
£2-£3 5 hands
£1-£2 8 hands
I think you need to appreciate that most other players are not thinking at level 2, most 4nl players will be thinking at level 1. He knows his hand and bets accordingly, your hand isnt given consideration.
Plus of course, on the turn, he is beating AA and KK anyway.
Oh, and if your not sure what I mean, google "levels of poker thought".
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And FWIW
Im never folding Kings on that JT7,
Could easily be a draw or a top pair scared of a draw.
Never heard of that player so im calling there everytime.
Are you still saying the JJ / 94 hand was bad luck?
winnings
£3.22
£2-£3 4 hands
£1-£2 19 hands
losses
£3.75
£2.39 £2.10
£1-£2 11 hands
TBH i think it is one of two possibilities i am either being to scare with my bets or calling too many of the min raises from the BB.
same can probably be said with this one
How are things going?
today i don't seem to be doing as bad with things and managed to win £3.26 and £7.88 on two of my 5 tables i did loose £6.80 on one table but the main cause was QQvAA allin preflop and set vs straight on the turn.
the hand i liked best was this
my week end might have been bad but today things have been much better.
although i lost 3.29 in the mini BH my cash tables won me 9.91 so overall i have gained 6.29 today
my £1+ hand history winning and losses today were
losses-£3.89, £3.76, £2.97, £2.40 £1.15 and £1.05
the profits were
£3.26
£2.49 £2.48 £2.32
£1-£2 12 hands
the big losses i did get today were nearly all bad luck
the only questionable one was this
If he had a medium king hand or 2pair its going to be near impossible to win a decent pot unless you raise pre.
after starting off so well this afternoon managing to only get 1 loss over £1 in comparison to 8 winnings over£1 tonight was awful. my BR has finished at £100.64
The hand history was
losses of
£4.82
£3.84
£2-£3 5 hands
£1-£2 9 hands
the winnings were
£4.26
£3.59
£2-£3 4 hands
£1-£2 10 hands
with the last two hours getting me losses of £3.84 £2.15 £2.08 and 4 hands between £1-£2 while my wins were just £1.48 £1.32 and £1.20
their are three hand which probably reveal why things went wrong.
but i guess at night villian are much more aggressive and have a much wider hand range that includes draws too.
today was quite a good day for me. overall i gained £15.11 profit and my BR is £115.75
my hand history today was
losses
£3.85 £3.81 £3.04
£2.15 £2.03
£1-£2 10 hands
profit
£5.97 £4.12 £3.29
£2-£3 11 hands
£1-£2 12 hands
i did have a few difficult hands which i might have been ahead but folded
in this hand it looked way to much like he held a pair with a 7 that got the straight
when i saw him just limp in preflop what i would have expected is for him to just call all the way with a FH plus if he has the FH and did want to jam why not do it on the flop i don't know what he had knowing he limped in preflop.
I did notice you called an all in pre flop for AQ against a pretty big stack, other chap had QQ, was that based on notes or is that a standard call for you? if standard I would suggest that may be a leak, against small stacks its fine, but mid/big stacks you are often 50/50 or way behind.
so what i thought myself was with AK i will jam 99% of the time and on this occasion AQ is not much differant. just took the risk accepting defeat if it happened but what i know now is this villian does jam right away with his premium hands so theirfore only AK will be called by me.
the reason i say AK is jammed 99% of the time is with most deep stack villian they will probably know me better and have notes so if i were only going to reraise and make or call a jam with QQ KK or AA then it will make it very easy for folds to be made by the villian if he holds QQ-1010
overall that might have been very lucky but i think i made some very good folds yesterday.
that triple aces the reason for that fold was i notice the villian was on more than just one table so what i thought was he would know i hold the A and he has either got a set or two pair so when he saw me make another big bet he knew for sure i held an A so used that as the chance to then double with his FH. what got me to still make the call with triple queens was if he was holding a FH himself then surely he would jam the flop so it left me thinking he is doing a bluff.
Firstly you are putting him on one hand, when you should always be putting players on a range, and the broadness of the range can be adjusted depending on notes available.
Secondly if you are putting him on JJ, AQ should be a clear fold, since you are only 42.5% to win the hand.
Thirdly, risks should not be taken on the basis of accepting a defeat. Risks should be taken when you have right odds to do so. Whereas accepting defeat (in a given hand) should be part of a players mental conditioning to avoid tilt after taking a loss.
All intended as constructive criticism.
ccf
my hand history today was
losses of
4.23 3.71 3.28 caused from a weaker set and FH and a nut flush vs FH
£1-£2 8 hands
the profits were
£3-£4 6 hands
£2-£4 6 hands
£1-£2 13 hands
what today did seem to have was quite a lot of maniacs here were some of those hands i had
Hand 2, Why check the 4? it doesnt change anything. The check just makes it harder to play for stacks on the river.
Hand 3, I dont really like this for the following reason. Turn gave you information that villain might not be keen on their holding any longer. No need to bluff pot bet. If they are folding for £1.84 they will almost certainly fold for about £1.10 and maybe even less than that. You will fold out the same hands and also save yourself the 74pence if you get called. So imo avoid mashing the pot button as a default choice for bluffs.
Also, are you just loading up x number of tables and remaining on them for the duration of your session?
with the flop getting raised i was starting to think he has a third J an only called with it being a min raise then when the 3rd J comes on the turn when he jammed i was looking at it being quads because with these hands looking so unlikely he might have believe it would be easy for me to call it also another thing that i have noted down about this villian is he won't reraise the premium pairs preflop instead he will start getting aggressive post flop so as well as J being possible he might have held AA or KK i just didn't see him likely to hold 10 10 or 99 because if he is so passive with premium pairs preflop i didn't expect him to reraise on the flop with 99 or 1010 when their is two jacks