We will just have to disagree on that one then, I dont think either of us are wrong in this instance. Its just risk aversion differing between us.
However, all of your above points (specifically expected ranges) are assuming that villain actually uses their brain, this isnt always the case, in fact its rarely the case, bar about 5regs
"66+ K10s+ KQo+ AJo+" You are in the worst position, I certianly would not say that should be a standard list for 5xbb raising in the small blind, I will not reveal what my range is, but suffice to say it will be a lot narrower when I raise 20p in sb.
Plus, their raise to £1.00 looks so strong and obv, I think you have shipped over the top of this as you are unsure how to proceed if you call. As imo, logically they are only going to £1 with AA,KK or AKs (maaaaybe), JJ/TT are generally going to call or raise to about 50p imo
I dont hate the re shove all in, I just wouldnt have done it myself, thats all.
Oh and Tintin, you are my reference point at 4nl. I have only ever seen one aspect of your game that I would consider exploitable. You are the best 4nl player by a country mile. I and like to see how aligned my thought process is.
today my final session is earlier than usual as I need an early night. the outcomes today were total winning £20.15 from 8 tables overall total losses were £7.37 from 4 tables my final total was profit of £12.78 my bankroll is now £182.52 the hand history itself was winnings £5.54 £5.26 £4.18 £3.17 £2.85 £1-£2 9 hands the losses were £3.78 my set beat by a better set £2.65 £2.53 £1-£2 3 hand
the £2 losses were
Scratville
Small blind
£0.05
£0.05
£3.96
wallace227
Big blind
£0.05
£0.10
£2.60
Your hole cards
K
A
craigcu12
Raise
£0.25
£0.35
£7.10
d27
Call
£0.25
£0.60
£23.30
1036
Call
£0.25
£0.85
£1.49
Scratville
Fold
wallace227
Raise
£0.40
£1.25
£2.20
craigcu12
All-in
£7.10
£8.35
£0.00
d27
Fold
1036
All-in
£1.49
£9.84
£0.00
wallace227
All-in
£2.20
£12.04
£0.00
craigcu12
Unmatched bet
£4.70
£7.34
£4.70
wallace227
Show
2
2
craigcu12
Show
K
A
1036
Show
A
K
Flop
7
J
5
Turn
7
River
9
wallace227
Win
Two Pairs, 7s and 2s
£6.78
£6.78
pod1
Small blind
£0.02
£0.02
£10.73
TINTIN
Big blind
£0.04
£0.06
£3.85
Your hole cards
K
K
carrotttop
Call
£0.04
£0.10
£2.49
calcalfold
Fold
craigcu12
Raise
£0.20
£0.30
£3.55
pod1
Fold
TINTIN
Fold
carrotttop
Call
£0.16
£0.46
£2.33
Flop
6
10
2
carrotttop
Bet
£0.04
£0.50
£2.29
craigcu12
Raise
£0.31
£0.81
£3.24
carrotttop
Call
£0.27
£1.08
£2.02
Turn
5
carrotttop
Bet
£1.08
£2.16
£0.94
craigcu12
Call
£1.08
£3.24
£2.16
River
8
carrotttop
All-in
£0.94
£4.18
£0.00
craigcu12
Call
£0.94
£5.12
£1.22
carrotttop
Show
6
5
craigcu12
Show
K
K
carrotttop
Win
Two Pairs, 6s and 5s
£4.73
£4.73
that £5 win was probably helped due to tintin knowing that i shove with QQ JJ and AK. if it were only KK or AA that I would shove then I couldn't see tintin calling his AK when I shoved.
today I received £27.80 from cash for points and decided to withdraw £20. didn't start until 6pm so only played 20 tables but I still did very well. my winnings today totalled £47.08 from 11 tables large part came from £11 and £13.34 on two tables alone. the losses today totalled £18.57 from 9 tables. I finished with profit of £28.51. my bankroll is now £218.83 the hand history was losses £3.86 £3.75 £2.80 £1-£2 7 hands the profits were £7.20 £7.19 £4.32 £3-£4 4 hands £2-£3 5 hands £1-£2 6 hands what seemed really weird was the way my luck changed after this shocker
chinooka21
Small blind
£0.02
£0.02
£4.73
craigcu12
Big blind
£0.04
£0.06
£3.71
Your hole cards
A
A
MrCoxy
Raise
£0.12
£0.18
£7.69
calcalfold
Call
£0.12
£0.30
£4.37
snellie40
Call
£0.12
£0.42
£3.29
dabossman
Fold
chinooka21
Call
£0.10
£0.52
£4.63
craigcu12
Raise
£0.40
£0.92
£3.31
MrCoxy
Raise
£1.28
£2.20
£6.41
calcalfold
Fold
snellie40
Fold
chinooka21
Fold
craigcu12
All-in
£3.31
£5.51
£0.00
MrCoxy
Call
£2.35
£7.86
£4.06
craigcu12
Show
A
A
MrCoxy
Show
Q
Q
Flop
5
K
Q
Turn
Q
River
3
MrCoxy
Win
Four Queens
£7.27
£11.33
somehow after loosing 3.75 with that one I then managed became dominating with strong hands all the winning hands that got me £3+ came after I had that bad loss and it was all in just 40 minutes
didn't have much time today and few bits of bad luck cost me any profit. Out of the 9 tables I was on, 4 got winnings which totalled £7.52 with one alone getting £5.95. The other 5 tables I lost a total of £10.15 which again had one table alone loosing me £5.91 that table was an action table. My final outcome was -£2.63. the bankroll is £216.20 as for hand history it was winnings of £3.85 £3.37 £2.63 £1-£2 7 hands losses £6.93 £4.45 £3.58 £1-£2 my worst hand was this I put him on a pair and decided to not jam incase it was 3 of a kind but i didn't think he would hold a flush because most villians with flushes would check call the draw
goody2sh29
Small blind
£0.02
£0.02
£4.34
richar1957
Big blind
£0.04
£0.06
£1.62
Your hole cards
A
A
Nev333
Raise
£0.16
£0.22
£8.41
temple740
Call
£0.16
£0.38
£1.10
craigcu12
Raise
£0.64
£1.02
£6.29
goody2sh29
Fold
richar1957
Fold
Nev333
Call
£0.48
£1.50
£7.93
temple740
Call
£0.48
£1.98
£0.62
Flop
4
6
4
Nev333
Bet
£0.92
£2.90
£7.01
temple740
All-in
£0.62
£3.52
£0.00
craigcu12
Raise
£1.84
£5.36
£4.45
Nev333
Call
£0.92
£6.28
£6.09
Turn
7
Nev333
Bet
£2.16
£8.44
£3.93
craigcu12
All-in
£4.45
£12.89
£0.00
Nev333
Call
£2.29
£15.18
£1.64
Nev333
Show
10
K
temple740
Show
A
6
craigcu12
Show
A
A
River
5
Nev333
Win
Flush to the King
£14.04
£15.68
and even when they hit it they might try hiding it at first which is what this guy did
managed to play on 18 tables in two sessions today both which were late. 10 tables (9nl4 and 1 action) managed to get winnings with the total coming to £25.21 with my best one being £6.83. The other 8 tables (7nl4 and 1 action) got losses totalling £9.79 the worst of them being £6.09. I also tried a PLOhilo tournament BI£5.50 just for a change and I didn't win anything from that. so overall today I got a profit of £9.92 and my bankroll is now £226.12 my hand history today was losses £3.94 £3.13 £1.16 £1.02
Crushing nl4 atm craig, looked back and including your 20 withdrawal you have made over a 100 since this time last month. Hopefully see you at nl10 in the future if you can continue building your roll so well.
today was not a very good day for me I played 33 tables in total overall I got a loss of -!2.69. I was on 20 nl4p I got winnings total of £14.01 from 9. the total losses from the other 11 was -£28.18 9 were action tables, the total winnings I got was £12.09 which came from 7 the two with losses got a total of -£4.77 I also went onto 4 nl8p tables the winnings total was £5.75 from 2 tables. the total losses from the other two was -£11.59 winnings total was £31.85 and the losses total -£44.54, my bankroll is £213.43
the hand history. winnings were £5.80 £4.04 £3-£4 3 hands £2-£3 7 hands £1-£2 21 hands losses were £7.42 £3-£4 4 hands £2-£3 6 hands £1-£2 15 hands I did have a few cooldowns and bad beats
i decided to have a break recently as i had stopped doing my house tasks and needed to warm up for a two 45mile cycle rided on Thursday and Friday. today was my first day back and i have had a very good start on my return. i had played on 9 tables all between 9pm and 1am with only 2 out of them 9 getting losses. the 7 winning table give me a total of £35.60 including a profit of 10.62 on a nl8p and 16.35 on an action table the two losses were £1.25 and £1.07 overall i finished with a profit of £33.28 and my bankroll now stand at £246.71 the hand history today was winnings £8.24 £6.98 £6.95 £5.74 £5.09 £3.93 £2.89 £2.38 £1-£2 11 hands the losses today were £4.84 £2.25 £2.16 £1-£2 9 hands the hand i was most relieved about was this
Small blind
£0.02
£0.02
£7.12
x
Big blind
£0.04
£0.06
£8.94
Your hole cards
A
A
Dark_Handz
Call
£0.04
£0.10
£3.38
KeyMan1
Call
£0.04
£0.14
£3.90
craigcu12
Raise
£0.20
£0.34
£8.36
sniper51
Fold
x
Call
£0.16
£0.50
£8.78
Dark_Handz
Call
£0.16
£0.66
£3.22
KeyMan1
Call
£0.16
£0.82
£3.74
Flop
3
5
K
x
Check
Dark_Handz
Bet
£0.82
£1.64
£2.40
KeyMan1
Fold
craigcu12
Raise
£2.05
£3.69
£6.31
x
All-in
£8.78
£12.47
£0.00
Dark_Handz
All-in
£2.40
£14.87
£0.00
craigcu12
Fold
x
Unmatched bet
£5.56
£9.31
£5.56
x
Show
J
K
Dark_Handz
Show
7
6
Turn
4
River
6
x
Win
Flush to the King
£8.61
£14.17
this villain is not very loose preflop and one that i ususally expect to hold strong hands when a check raise is done and with their only being one high card and not getting reraised preflop what i was thinking is he might be holding a set. had he min raised what i might have been temped to do is on the turn try a bluff with of a flush with my Ac being held. but overall it was with me having two that i didn't expect to be ahead.
Not sure if that is a good fold with AA! It was this time, but more often than not you'll be miles ahead holding the bullets on a 3 5 K board, esp at 4nl. Not sure I'd have the discipline to put it down so fair play.
Edit-sorry, missed the bit about the villain at the bottom. Still not an easy fold but fair enough as played against that oppo.
my day today turn out to be a disaster. i was on 11 tables (4nl8 2 action and 3 nl4) 7 (3nl4 2 act 2nl8) came out as losses which totalled £33.91 the total i got from the winning tables was £7.82 so overall i lost £26.09 my bankroll is £220.62
the hand history itself was profits £7.73 £6.35 £4.90 £3.11 £3.01 £2.32 £1-£2 8 hands
the losses were £6.68 £5.54 £4.74 £4.23 £3.66 £3.36 £2.88 £2.40 £1-£2 10 hands what i believe caused the damage was today tables were more passive and had more calling stations
i might be taking a break for a couple of days as i don't seem to be acting myself at the minute. In just 1 hour today my bankroll has dropped from £220 to £205. i will probably return Saturday.
Are you not going to try and do something in the cash challenge this weekend, Fri - Monday. I know how you feel, i lost a good few quid yesterday, cooler after cooler, but came back today and won it all back.
You are a good player bud, stick in at it and enjoy the break!
well all I can say about today is I have been on as many as 12 tables at once and due to the amount of time I spent online today I will just give a quick description. basically my bankroll is £200.42 all day it has been up down up down. ~18 table got profit ~20 table got losses
Aye />? So you'll be in with a good shout of a nice wee bonus on tuesday. Good luck for the next few days. Posted by LARSON7
I wish unfortunately a I wasted a full day because of a friend coming over. it is usually good of a friend to come over but this friend I have basically just wants to play computer games yet he hates the ones I like best as he thinks they scary.
I was just on the one table, unlucky with the hand you tried to bluff, i did have to think for a while, i only called because it is the kind of bet i would make as a bluff.
Hey Craig, I was just on the one table, unlucky with the hand you tried to bluff, i did have to think for a while, i only called because it is the kind of bet i would make as a bluff. How's the weekend poker going? Posted by LARSON7
well as you can see from my post I am not doing good calcalford might think I am over aggressive at time but I am thinking myself that bluffs are getting so easy on the nl4 tables the sort of villians that seem most common on these tables are fish who will call for a flush but fold if they miss.
"I wish unfortunately a I wasted a full day because of a friend coming over. it is usually good of a friend to come over but this friend I have basically just wants to play computer games yet he hates the ones I like best as he thinks they scary."
Scary games what are they then? need to teach them poker, get a deck of cards then when he/she comes round play a bit of live 4nl lol - win/win.
In Response to Re: craigcu12 diary : well as you can see from my post I am not doing good calcalford might think I am over aggressive at time but I am thinking myself that bluffs are getting so easy on the nl4 tables the sort of villians that seem most common on these tables are fish who will call for a flush but fold if they miss. Posted by craigcu12
Mate, the only opinion that counts is yours. For what it is worth, i don't think you are overly aggressive.
You play really well, and have shown you are successful at 4nl. This weekend the tables are playing totally different due to the promo. You know i like a bluff, but a really good player was saying to me you dont really need to be doing it at this level. Just bet bet bet with hands.
"I wish unfortunately a I wasted a full day because of a friend coming over. it is usually good of a friend to come over but this friend I have basically just wants to play computer games yet he hates the ones I like best as he thinks they scary." Scary games what are they then? need to teach them poker, get a deck of cards then when he/she comes round play a bit of live 4nl lol - win/win. Posted by benc
he is very poor learning skills benc so I dout he could be able to play poker unless you talking about pokermon for the ds because he plays lots of them games yet is the same age as me lol.
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We will just have to disagree on that one then, I dont think either of us are wrong in this instance. Its just risk aversion differing between us.
However, all of your above points (specifically expected ranges) are assuming that villain actually uses their brain, this isnt always the case, in fact its rarely the case, bar about 5regs
"66+ K10s+ KQo+ AJo+" You are in the worst position, I certianly would not say that should be a standard list for 5xbb raising in the small blind, I will not reveal what my range is, but suffice to say it will be a lot narrower when I raise 20p in sb.
Plus, their raise to £1.00 looks so strong and obv, I think you have shipped over the top of this as you are unsure how to proceed if you call. As imo, logically they are only going to £1 with AA,KK or AKs (maaaaybe), JJ/TT are generally going to call or raise to about 50p imo
I dont hate the re shove all in, I just wouldnt have done it myself, thats all.
Oh and Tintin, you are my reference point at 4nl. I have only ever seen one aspect of your game that I would consider exploitable. You are the best 4nl player by a country mile. I and like to see how aligned my thought process is.
today my final session is earlier than usual as I need an early night.
the outcomes today were
total winning £20.15 from 8 tables overall
total losses were £7.37 from 4 tables
my final total was profit of £12.78
my bankroll is now £182.52
the hand history itself was
winnings
£5.54 £5.26
£4.18
£3.17
£2.85
£1-£2 9 hands
the losses were
£3.78 my set beat by a better set
£2.65 £2.53
£1-£2 3 hand
the £2 losses were
didn't start until 6pm so only played 20 tables but I still did very well.
my winnings today totalled £47.08 from 11 tables large part came from £11 and £13.34 on two tables alone.
the losses today totalled £18.57 from 9 tables.
I finished with profit of £28.51. my bankroll is now £218.83
the hand history was
losses
£3.86 £3.75
£2.80
£1-£2 7 hands
the profits were
£7.20 £7.19
£4.32
£3-£4 4 hands
£2-£3 5 hands
£1-£2 6 hands
what seemed really weird was the way my luck changed after this shocker
Out of the 9 tables I was on, 4 got winnings which totalled £7.52 with one alone getting £5.95.
The other 5 tables I lost a total of £10.15 which again had one table alone loosing me £5.91 that table was an action table.
My final outcome was -£2.63.
the bankroll is £216.20
as for hand history it was
winnings of
£3.85 £3.37
£2.63
£1-£2 7 hands
losses
£6.93
£4.45
£3.58
£1-£2
my worst hand was this I put him on a pair and decided to not jam incase it was 3 of a kind but i didn't think he would hold a flush because most villians with flushes would check call the draw
managed to play on 18 tables in two sessions today both which were late.
10 tables (9nl4 and 1 action) managed to get winnings with the total coming to £25.21 with my best one being £6.83.
The other 8 tables (7nl4 and 1 action) got losses totalling £9.79 the worst of them being £6.09.
I also tried a PLOhilo tournament BI£5.50 just for a change and I didn't win anything from that.
so overall today I got a profit of £9.92 and my bankroll is now £226.12
my hand history today was
losses
£3.94 £3.13
£1.16 £1.02
winnings
£5.32
£4.06
£3.58
£2.71 £2.34
£1-£2 7 hands
Hi Craig,
I saw you playing the PLO8 last night - hope you enjoyed it!
I was on 20 nl4p I got winnings total of £14.01 from 9. the total losses from the other 11 was -£28.18
9 were action tables, the total winnings I got was £12.09 which came from 7 the two with losses got a total of -£4.77
I also went onto 4 nl8p tables the winnings total was £5.75 from 2 tables. the total losses from the other two was -£11.59
winnings total was £31.85 and the losses total -£44.54,
my bankroll is £213.43
the hand history.
winnings were
£5.80
£4.04
£3-£4 3 hands
£2-£3 7 hands
£1-£2 21 hands
losses were
£7.42
£3-£4 4 hands
£2-£3 6 hands
£1-£2 15 hands
I did have a few cooldowns and bad beats
i decided to have a break recently as i had stopped doing my house tasks and needed to warm up for a two 45mile cycle rided on Thursday and Friday. today was my first day back and i have had a very good start on my return.
i had played on 9 tables all between 9pm and 1am with only 2 out of them 9 getting losses.
the 7 winning table give me a total of £35.60 including a profit of 10.62 on a nl8p and 16.35 on an action table
the two losses were £1.25 and £1.07
overall i finished with a profit of £33.28 and my bankroll now stand at £246.71
the hand history today was
winnings
£8.24
£6.98 £6.95
£5.74 £5.09
£3.93
£2.89 £2.38
£1-£2 11 hands
the losses today were
£4.84
£2.25 £2.16
£1-£2 9 hands
the hand i was most relieved about was this
but overall it was with me having two that i didn't expect to be ahead.
Where is your 45 mile cycle mate?
Edit-sorry, missed the bit about the villain at the bottom. Still not an easy fold but fair enough as played against that oppo.
my day today turn out to be a disaster.
i was on 11 tables (4nl8 2 action and 3 nl4) 7 (3nl4 2 act 2nl8) came out as losses which totalled £33.91
the total i got from the winning tables was £7.82
so overall i lost £26.09 my bankroll is £220.62
the hand history itself was
profits
£7.73
£6.35
£4.90
£3.11 £3.01
£2.32
£1-£2 8 hands
the losses were
£6.68
£5.54
£4.74 £4.23
£3.66 £3.36
£2.88 £2.40
£1-£2 10 hands
what i believe caused the damage was today tables were more passive and had more calling stations
i might be taking a break for a couple of days as i don't seem to be acting myself at the minute. In just 1 hour today my bankroll has dropped from £220 to £205.
i will probably return Saturday.
Are you not going to try and do something in the cash challenge this weekend, Fri - Monday. I know how you feel, i lost a good few quid yesterday, cooler after cooler, but came back today and won it all back.
You are a good player bud, stick in at it and enjoy the break!
basically my bankroll is £200.42 all day it has been up down up down.
~18 table got profit
~20 table got losses
Good luck for the next few days.
I was just on the one table, unlucky with the hand you tried to bluff, i did have to think for a while, i only called because it is the kind of bet i would make as a bluff.
How's the weekend poker going?
today was not a good day I lost £20 overall but even then I was lucky not to have lost more
"I wish unfortunately a I wasted a full day because of a friend coming over. it is usually good of a friend to come over but this friend I have basically just wants to play computer games yet he hates the ones I like best as he thinks they scary."
Scary games what are they then? need to teach them poker, get a deck of cards then when he/she comes round play a bit of live 4nl lol - win/win.
You play really well, and have shown you are successful at 4nl. This weekend the tables are playing totally different due to the promo.
You know i like a bluff, but a really good player was saying to me you dont really need to be doing it at this level. Just bet bet bet with hands.
I agree, but i am bad with the bluffs.