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you have reached river and have no idea about oppo range to know if it's polarised or not
You took a punt that oppo mayb be bluffing and if you have oppo tendacies correct ie. likes to rep obvious cards and bluff big which make no sense then fine take a punt
don't think you need people coming on here and saying what a massive mistake you have made tbh
don't show results in future, you may get a more balance response
b/f river is ok imo, not saying b/c is terrible but you have to have a very concrete read
would checking river be better because oppo is more likely to bluff
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thankyou don and rancid, said your comments in a constructive way and that helps me.
I agree not betting the flop is a mistake, I have to balance my range but this hand is to vunrable to do it with and I need to protect it and bet for value when im ahead. The turn I didn't bet because I thought if I didn't bet the flop I now cant bet the king on the turn that makes no sense, unless im turning my hand into a bluff/ or possiably turning it into thin value. The problem is by not betting any street is iv got to the river and I don't have a clue if my opponent is wanting to be in the hand or where I stand...... the one thing I will say about the call is its very opponent depended and the fact stack to pot ratio is so poor maybe means ill should of said if your bluffing have the pot theres better situations then this.
Today I had similar hand against similar opponent, he had abit smaller stack , I went to pressed call and stopped and see stack to pot ratio was small and thought learn from your mistakes.....he then showed me king high when I folded.....that's poker though I guess lol
UPDATE! 04/06/2013
Keeping up the hard work, played 6 hours today again , which is a lot for me even if it isn't for most of you lol . Played less then average in the first half of session, and was down due to standard thing and bad beat on river.....but I DIDNT TILT (I no shocking) maybe the mental game of poker is helping. I just thought im good enough to beat this level if I put my mind to it and only have thoughts of poker, not my b/r, not how unlucky that was etc.... and I stayed with stable emotions the whole 6 hours which im happy with. I only made £13, which is 1.3 byins, which is disappointing I guess, but still another winning session and it all helps in getting my game and b/r back... over the 2 days iv played long session for the promotion id have to say im happy with everything so far. I also beat KK vs AA which is a first for me so another record lol (it was against a man called rob young, is it dust till dawn rob young? )
I struggled to adapt to having more loose aggressive players on my table....I like to be in charge and boss the table around and I had to adapt and I didn't do it too well I don't think. My range was still abit too wide and I think my call 3bets oop needs to be more disciplined in terms of range, oh well ill have to work on it and give it some thought.....if anyone could offer any help on how they deal with loose passive players that seem to float etc then please comment.
Going to see if leaderboard is up and see if im close to my target of top 20.
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Good luck with the promo btw, i didn't think i would be as high havn't played that much but have upped tables recently so maybe thats why im up there, maybe top 5 is realistic what you aiming for?
I didnt intend to come over rude (i was trying to help), but you needed it breaking down a bit more.
Look at what you said
"Wow poker is such an easy game, I needed a smart **** who plays 4nl to tell me how easy it is and now Iv finally it it so now I can't ever make a mistake.... Jog on cal "
Firstly what relavance does 4nl have? Perhaps you should ban winning 4nl players form offering you advice and specifiy that you will only take advice from winning or losing 20nl players!
Secondly read the post you are quoting, I was breaking down the hand and numbers down in a way to help you understand my point a bit more, yes a bit of a jokey way, but hardly rude! I even went to the effort of highlighting the key ideas for you and putting line spaces in between the seperate points.
Look at the other two posts, I was both noting your good plays and mentioning areas I would look at.
I dont know why I wasted my time.
I would respectfully advise you not to alienate anybody else trying to offer you help, and I hope you go busto.
Peace!
Just an update for today, played my usual 6 hours that iv played in the morning sessions. Had a fairly slow start losing KK vs AQ, while heads up waiting for more people to join the table. Also had KK vs AA, and I slowplayed QQ by flatting pre and c/r a J 7 3 board, got the money in on flop against AJ, turn A river A, never mind.... Happy to say I hardly moved throughout all this though and it didn't change my mood or the way I played which im happy about.
I did 4 table for the last 2 hours though as to slowly progress myself, I felt it would be better to do it for the last 1/3rd see how I got on. It went good, it helped there is so many regs at 10nl so I basically had the same table 4 times lol Just see the leaderboard and iv dropped down to 8th I think, but not due to laziness the guy whos above me must of entered his code just yesterday, and DTM isn't there so really im 9th. Cant be too disappointed though as my aim at the start was top 20 and b4 this week the most tables I played was 3 and the longest like 3 hours so im happy really. I also made a profit today of £23, which considering those bad beats it isn't too bad.
Would it make any difference to the leaderboard if I done 2 session a day maybe equally 10 hours and 4 tabling for longer? or are they on another level and iv got no chance in catching them ??
ALSO!! the promo says about how active you've been and you get points for it.....this is only if you win the pot isn't it?
say you get to see a flop heads up and both of you get your stacks in by the river for 100bb so pot is £20. rake is taken at 7.5% (nl10 n below, 5% at higher levels) which brings it down to scooping £18.50. now theres £1.50 in rake. for every £1 in rake you get 6 points meaning theres 9 points available for this hand. because they was only 2 players in this pot all the way then these 9 points are shared between the 2 players meaning 4.5 each as you have both contributed the same wether you win or lose the hand.
its a fairly straight forward example ive used. but as long as you have put money into a pot and it is matched then you will get the percentage equivalent in points win or lose
forget relating points to hands, its just a curency for the rakeback system they have here. you would get many irate players if you could only gain points for rakeback if you only got them for winning the hand.
im playing pretty much the hours i would normally play, about 8-10 and on anything from 6-10 tables. i said i wasnt going to go chasing this promo so im not putting in any extra effort. 1st is decent but not the best they have had on offer and the other payouts are quite flat with no significant jump from 1 place to another. i know 1st would be taken by someone who isnt on it YET, but im happy if i get top 5. i usually run horrid in these promo's and that was another factor in me not going full steam.
no i dont play 10 hours straight thru. maybe 3 hours at lunchtime, then the rest split up from about 6 til i decide its time for sleep.
poker isnt my main income, i just play for spending money on other things. i have a lot of free time hence why im on a lot. i do withdraw quite regular so never keep a large amount in my balance. theres always nights out, birthdays, some unexpected bills that need taking care of etc
Update 06/06/2013
Worst day today I think. Played poor and felt so tired from playing and theres still 3 days left of the promo lol im such a lightweight
Was a weird day, My QQs beat AA, and my AA lost to QQ. lost with overpair queens to a set and a few other strange hands, I also hit a flush when someone was slowplaying AA and didn't win there stack, I was abit confussed in the hand im going to post them later.
Won a small amount but its more then what I started with when I sat down so oh well.
Balance: £310.14
Day: +£7 (0.7 BYINS)
Im currently 8th on leaderboard, but play 5 and half hours today with mostly 4 tables, im hoping this will make a difference.
I would put in a big effort for the last 3 days but im not sure how much it would help, I definatly cant get top 2 I don't think so not sure what position is realistic to get.
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Ps dontellmum, cashdaddy, tintin have top 3 locked up, looks like pepo is definetly going to up there as well so top 4 probably locked up. I am not grinding that much atm, so unless i get a sick grind in over the weekend 5th is very attainable mate with the hours your putting in.
How can we ever flat the river in hand 3?! You putting him exclusively on a better flush cos that's the only possible hand that beats you?
EDIT: Just read the bit below the hand and you are putting him on a flush. We can't narrow his range down that much, and as you say, generally that size bet isn't a very strong value hand.
Played 4 hours instead of 6 as parents have gone away so I have to keep letting the puppy out so its not the best conditions to play lol sister will be home later so going to play more in the evening so it should make it around a 8-10 hour day of poker which I would be happy with.
The morning session was disappointing , found it too as I was playing 4 tables the whole session with few regs then normal so I didn't have a lot of reads on players. Also when card dead and had to play like a nitty TAG as the opponents were loose which annoyed me cause I don't usually play like that, so I was trying very hard not to tilt. I lost a card through tilt that was silly really and its frustrating because I feel this limit is beatable if I stay focused tilt free and just think throughout every hand. Never mind, was actually abit unlucky to come out losing still as I lost 3 big hands, one was the tilt one, 2 were flips, I had hit my cards on flop and got done runner runner on both, but if im going to play a lot this weekend then my account will show how I played I think, so the bad beats I should be able to get over.
Stayed 8th on the table which was disappointing as I grinded 4 table for 4 hours/3 tables for the other 2. Guess I should pay compliment to those above me working hard for this, If I had to guess I don't think im near a lot of them in the table, but im still gonna put as much effort in as possiable and hope to improve my balance and also aim for top 5. Will update tonight how evening session went.
Good luck also to everyone at spt Birmingham have a great weekend! hope I will be attending an spt soon!
Balance : £320 ( only because +£13 c4p)
Day: +10 / but without c4p it would be -£3
Promo leaderboard positon: 8th
Don't mind losing this hand to a fellow Tottenham fan at all.
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tilt is frustrating : (
Balance: £218
Day: -£3
Position on leaderboard: 8th
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