Hand 1) Like the check on the turn, when opponent raises, i should have just shipped.
avfc74
Small blind
75.00
75.00
5330.00
waxonwaxof
Big blind
150.00
225.00
5940.00
Your hole cards
10
A
Howezy
Fold
stevalan23
Call
150.00
375.00
5700.00
jawzindawz
Fold
LARSON7
Raise
320.00
695.00
4565.00
ham76
Fold
imber
Fold
3barrels
Call
320.00
1015.00
10120.00
avfc74
Call
245.00
1260.00
5085.00
waxonwaxof
Call
170.00
1430.00
5770.00
stevalan23
Call
170.00
1600.00
5530.00
Flop
10
10
7
avfc74
Check
waxonwaxof
Check
stevalan23
Check
LARSON7
Bet
800.00
2400.00
3765.00
3barrels
Call
800.00
3200.00
9320.00
avfc74
Fold
waxonwaxof
Fold
stevalan23
Fold
Turn
10
LARSON7
Check
3barrels
Bet
1650.00
4850.00
7670.00
LARSON7
Call
1650.00
6500.00
2115.00
River
K
LARSON7
All-in
2115.00
8615.00
0.00
3barrels
Call
2115.00
10730.00
5555.00
LARSON7
Show
10
A
3barrels
Show
8
8
LARSON7
Win
Four 10s
10730.00
Hand 2) Quite like this 1, others might dislike the check on the flop, i'm just doing it for pot control, don't want to be re-raised put to a decision, when oppo checks turn know i'm good, like the value bet on the river
3barrels
Small blind
100.00
100.00
8555.00
avfc74
Big blind
200.00
300.00
4685.00
Your hole cards
10
10
waxonwaxof
Fold
Howezy
Call
200.00
500.00
11115.00
gandalf111
Fold
stevalan23
Fold
jawzindawz
Fold
LARSON7
Raise
520.00
1020.00
9710.00
ham76
Fold
imber
Fold
3barrels
Fold
avfc74
Fold
Howezy
Call
320.00
1340.00
10795.00
Flop
A
3
A
Howezy
Check
LARSON7
Check
Turn
7
Howezy
Check
LARSON7
Bet
670.00
2010.00
9040.00
Howezy
Call
670.00
2680.00
10125.00
River
3
Howezy
Check
LARSON7
Bet
1340.00
4020.00
7700.00
Howezy
Fold
LARSON7
Muck
LARSON7
Win
2680.00
10380.00
LARSON7
Return
1340.
hand 3) easy fold i think
Howezy
Small blind
200.00
200.00
15085.00
EveningAll
Big blind
400.00
600.00
13568.00
Your hole cards
A
J
Brrrrrrr
Fold
LARSON7
Raise
800.00
1400.00
11632.50
ham76
Fold
imber
Fold
3barrels
Fold
avfc74
Fold
TREMAYNE
Fold
Howezy
Fold
EveningAll
Raise
2000.00
3400.00
11568.00
LARSON7
Fold
EveningAll
Muck
EveningAll
Win
1800.00
13368.00
EveningAll
Return
1600.
Hand 4) Right move i think?
LARSON7
Small blind
400.00
400.00
10732.50
bckneil
Big blind
800.00
1200.00
4417.50
Your hole cards
9
9
woody207
Fold
3barrels
Raise
1650.00
2850.00
20842.00
mike1975
Fold
tomo_efc
Fold
gazmitch3
Call
1650.00
4500.00
4550.00
chelsea08
Fold
baggie118
Fold
LARSON7
All-in
10732.50
15232.50
0.00
bckneil
Fold
3barrels
Fold
gazmitch3
Fold
LARSON7
Muck
LARSON7
Win
5750.00
5750.00
LARSON7
Return
9482.
Hand 5) Just ship this pre?
betterha1f
Small blind
600.00
600.00
6720.00
teff6790
Big blind
1200.00
1800.00
17812.50
Your hole cards
A
J
bolesAA
Fold
Ploppy33
Fold
LARSON7
Raise
2400.00
4200.00
10732.50
UP4ITRUTWO
Fold
EveningAll
Fold
pereira86
Fold
betterha1f
Fold
teff6790
Call
1200.00
5400.00
16612.50
Flop
A
J
3
teff6790
Check
LARSON7
Bet
2700.00
8100.00
8032.50
teff6790
Fold
LARSON7
Muck
LARSON7
Win
5400.00
13432.50
LARSON7
Return
2700
Hand 6)
Errrghhhh this was just b4 the break haha I open shoved and looked away when i seen 45 Suited!! Was only when i came back a hand later realised it was Quads
TREMAYNE
Small blind
1000.00
1000.00
13397.00
EveningAll
Big blind
2000.00
3000.00
17172.75
Your hole cards
Q
A
MrChance
Call
2000.00
5000.00
54115.00
ham76
Fold
betterha1f
Fold
Ploppy33
Fold
LARSON7
All-in
14332.50
19332.50
0.00
TREMAYNE
Fold
EveningAll
Fold
MrChance
Call
12332.50
31665.00
41782.50
MrChance
Show
5
4
LARSON7
Show
Q
A
Flop
A
3
A
Turn
A
River
10
LARSON7
Win
Four Aces
31665.00
Hand 7, this is 5/6 handed pretty standard i think
Ploppy33
Small blind
2000.00
2000.00
284921.00
LARSON7
Big blind
4000.00
6000.00
21665.00
Your hole cards
2
2
tomo_efc
Fold
baggie118
Fold
betterha1f
Fold
3barrels
All-in
27684.00
33684.00
0.00
Ploppy33
Fold
LARSON7
All-in
21665.00
55349.00
0.00
3barrels
Unmatched bet
2019.00
53330.00
2019.00
LARSON7
Show
2
2
3barrels
Show
A
K
Flop
5
3
Q
Turn
9
River
6
LARSON7
Win
Pair of 2s
53330
Hand 8
Ploppy33
Small blind
3000.00
3000.00
214782.00
LARSON7
Big blind
6000.00
9000.00
59330.00
Your hole cards
A
Q
tomo_efc
Fold
baggie118
Fold
Ploppy33
All-in
214782.00
223782.00
0.00
LARSON7
All-in
59330.00
283112.00
0.00
Ploppy33
Unmatched bet
152452.00
130660.00
152452.00
Ploppy33
Show
2
A
LARSON7
Show
A
Q
Flop
2
A
Q
Turn
Q
River
10
LARSON7
Win
Full House, Queens and Aces
130660
HAnd 9 This hand gave me the chip lead
Ploppy33
Small blind
3000.00
3000.00
179452.00
LARSON7
Big blind
6000.00
9000.00
121660.00
Your hole cards
A
K
tomo_efc
All-in
88278.00
97278.00
0.00
baggie118
Fold
Ploppy33
Fold
LARSON7
All-in
121660.00
218938.00
0.00
LARSON7
Unmatched bet
39382.00
179556.00
39382.00
LARSON7
Show
A
K
tomo_efc
Show
7
A
Flop
3
J
9
Turn
8
River
4
LARSON7
Win
Ace high
179556
Really confident 3 handed. Just had to pick my spots, then i made a bad call...
baggie118
Small blind
3000.00
3000.00
76610.00
Ploppy33
Big blind
6000.00
9000.00
173452.00
Your hole cards
4
A
LARSON7
Raise
12000.00
21000.00
203938.00
baggie118
All-in
76610.00
97610.00
0.00
Ploppy33
Fold
LARSON7
Call
67610.00
165220.00
136328.00
baggie118
Show
J
J
LARSON7
Show
4
A
Flop
10
3
Q
Turn
4
River
10
Back to 3rd outa 3
Hand 10 Played the river pretty bad in this hand, should of value betted all the way
Ploppy33
Small blind
3000.00
3000.00
164452.00
LARSON7
Big blind
6000.00
9000.00
148328.00
Your hole cards
Q
K
baggie118
Raise
12000.00
21000.00
141220.00
Ploppy33
Fold
LARSON7
Call
6000.00
27000.00
142328.00
Flop
4
9
9
LARSON7
Check
baggie118
Check
Turn
Q
LARSON7
Bet
13500.00
40500.00
128828.00
baggie118
Call
13500.00
54000.00
127720.00
River
2
LARSON7
Check
baggie118
Check
LARSON7
Show
Q
K
baggie118
Muck
A
10
LARSON7
Win
Two Pairs, Queens and 9s
54000
Hand 11, Maybe played this bad? Just raise the flop 2 shove river?
Hand 1 - Yeah if we were IP, I wouldn't mind the call on the turn cos we can let them bluff again and if they don't then we just stick it in, but OOP we'll have to stick it in ourselves on the river cos we don't want them to checkback. No biggie tho
Hand 2 - I probably c-bet but your line is good too.
Hand 3 - Probably a good fold yeh, hate raising hands like AJo UTG on a 10handed table (I still do it tho lol)
Hand 4 - Good shove
Hand 5 - 100% Ship pre. We can't ever raise fold, and we're not strong enough to induce, and I don't think we wanna be inducing from this stack size anyway cos we won't be balanced. We want max FE really, if shoving makes them fold 66 for instance, that's great for us. A 3x might convince them to shove 66.
Hand 6 - Good shove
Hand 7 - Yeah give we're so short AND we're in the BB, AND we have a pair, just gotta call it off.
Hand 8 - Good stuff
Hand 9 - Good stuff
Hand 10 - Good but I definitely value bet the river.
Hand 11 - A call on the flop is probably better. When we jam we get called by 5x and bigger PPs and fold out everything worse/stop him bluffing the turn when he misses the turn with AK/AQ etc.
Hand 2) Quite like this 1, others might dislike the check on the flop, i'm just doing it for pot control, don't want to be re-raised put to a decision, when oppo checks turn know i'm good, like the value bet on the river
I like your line here, but rather than thinking about opponents actions, saying stuff such as 'dont want to be put to a decision' and 'doing it for pot control', think of it in terms of his range of hands and how he reacts to your actions with different parts of his range.
We know what our 'decision' is going to be before we bet, having thought about how your range looks to him when you check and when you bet, (and when you bet different sizes,) and how this in turn effects his actions. (and therefore how best to proceed in the hand)
Checking because you think it's the most profitable way to play your hand on this board against this player having taken this preflop line against his percieved range is fine.
Checking because you want to 'avoid a decision' is not fine.
You're starting to read the hand and think deeper rather than trying to make generalisations about a players actions. This is how you start to improve and move your game on to the next level and how our/your edge over your opponents increases.
clue: it's hard. But 'that's poker'
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Had a flick through the rest, hand 5 is an insta ship pre yes.
Hand 11 I like flatting the flop with the intention of calling down most runouts. If he calls your shove you're doomed as played. Let him keep leading if he wants he can't possibly have anything on that board with his line. 7s maybe. Just pick the bluff off.
sure you want to teach him a lesson, but you want to have some equity in your hand so that if he does call you have some hope. ok two live cards but thats not good enough.
save the shove with 48o for the button with 6bb not the bb with 10
Noooooooooooo sure you want to teach him a lesson, but you want to have some equity in your hand so that if he does call you have some hope. ok two live cards but thats not good enough. save the shove with 48o for the button with 6bb not the bb with 10 Posted by GELDY
Please don't comment on any other sb v bb pots please Geldy
4 8 isn't terrible but would rather you shoved UTG the hand prior with anything. If I can give you another tip for SKY poker I wouldn't worry about falling under 10 bigs, there are no antes you can play under 10 comfortably.
Why does a raise from the button mean he has a monster? Do you mean because he was short enough to be shoving with the rest of his range? If so, and your read is good, flat. It's not the worst shove in the world, you can still hit your ace, and he could have had JJ maybe??
Totally gutted. Played a live tournie today, 1st plave 600, 2nd 300, 3rd 140, 4th 65 I end up going out 4th, and this is what happened... I have 120k, blinds 5-10, 600k chips in play. 1 Player is sitting with 4bb and has been for 30 mins, just trying to ladder. I'm in the BB, button opens to 35k, a tell he has a monster. I'm sitting with AQ. I open shove, he snap calls with Kings, flop xxQ, i dont improve. Gutted out in 4th place for 65 quid. After 6 hours of play, if i had just been a bit more patient, i would easily had £140 if not more.... The raise pre pretty much shows he has a monster, and i shove. Totally annoyed with myself. Posted by LARSON7
results orientated post imo
you have 12 bigs
a premium hand
and a button raise which could mean anything readless
don't beat yourself up
you could have doubled up
and 1st/2nd a lot better than laddering to 3rd
and yes, very tedious when someone is just sitting on a mini-stack
In Response to Re: 100 MTT Games - Totally Gutted, mucked up in a live MTT : results orientated post imo you have 12 bigs a premium hand and a button raise which could mean anything readless don't beat yourself up you could have doubled up and 1st/2nd a lot better than laddering to 3rd and yes, very tedious when someone is just sitting on a mini-stack but that cannot stop you playing for the win Posted by GELDY
lol was just a bit annoyed when i got home , but looking back the hand play's itself.
It was a results orientated post, i done the right thing shoving, just unlucky i was up against the top of opponents range.
Just caught up on this. VWP taking down an MTT. Testament to you doing the hard work to get there.
RE the live hand there is no way you can call out of your stack. And there is no way you can fold a hand like AQ with 12 big blinds as you may never get a better spot to DU. Its one of those things.... you just have to shove... Thats why poker isnt an exact science. You can do everything youre supposed to do and go out. He could easily have AJ or A10s or JJ, 1010, 99. KQs. Just unlucky to run into kings, thats all.
Testament to you doing the hard work to get there.
Gaz just really been playing them. I still need to get a book on MTT's, would be interesting hearing a top players explanation/ view of how to play a MTT. Also have a look at some vids, if i can find any decent1s
The help in here and the clinic has been brilliant.
HAve spotted some mistakes, biggest ones are;
1) Calling big bets, or re raises with big pocket pairs, like Aces on a K 10 Q board. Or queens on a 457 o/s board. At the low levels, players are never bluffing in these spots, they always have it and am as well just folding
2) Tilting/ getting annoyed making really bad plays/ hitting a time i just play really bad because i don't want to be playing anymore. I've done this in 10% of the mtts since i started this thread.
3) Giving away chips when it's shallow (you told me that!). Don't give away chips so that when you do double up it's more money for when you du.
4) sometimes not aggressive enough.
But it's going well, was just brilliant to take 1 down since i started this thread. Was really sweet as well that it was the orfie, as the standard is the highest in this, versus other any MTT i play.
Thanks Waller, how are you doing with your bankroll? ----------------------------------------------------- Testament to you doing the hard work to get there. Gaz just really been playing them. I still need to get a book on MTT's, would be interesting hearing a top players explanation/ view of how to play a MTT. Also have a look at some vids, if i can find any decent1s The help in here and the clinic has been brilliant. HAve spotted some mistakes, biggest ones are; 1) Calling big bets, or re raises with big pocket pairs, like Aces on a K 10 Q board. Or queens on a 457 o/s board. At the low levels, players are never bluffing in these spots, they always have it and am as well just folding 2) Tilting/ getting annoyed making really bad plays/ hitting a time i just play really bad because i don't want to be playing anymore. I've done this in 10% of the mtts since i started this thread. 3) Giving away chips when it's shallow (you told me that!). Don't give away chips so that when you do double up it's more money for when you du. 4) sometimes not aggressive enough. But it's going well, was just brilliant to take 1 down since i started this thread. Was really sweet as well that it was the orfie, as the standard is the highest in this, versus other any MTT i play. Posted by LARSON7
I think you underestimate how much just simple practice helps. And yes playing a lot of tournaments, posting hand histories, talking with players online is putting in the hard work. Think about the amount of players who play poker and never even think about what theyve done right or wrong.
Youve just listed a number of things youve noticed on how to improve simply by playing on your own accord which is brilliant, and you went and won the orfie - one of the most popular tournaments on the site.
Add that up all together and yes... your hard work is paying off.
Comments
I will update once I finished rebuy!
This is my journey to winning:
Hand 1) Like the check on the turn, when opponent raises, i should have just shipped.
hand 3) easy fold i think
Errrghhhh this was just b4 the break haha I open shoved and looked away when i seen 45 Suited!! Was only when i came back a hand later realised it was Quads
Hand 10 Played the river pretty bad in this hand, should of value betted all the way
Hand 2 - I probably c-bet but your line is good too.
Hand 3 - Probably a good fold yeh, hate raising hands like AJo UTG on a 10handed table (I still do it tho lol)
Hand 4 - Good shove
Hand 5 - 100% Ship pre. We can't ever raise fold, and we're not strong enough to induce, and I don't think we wanna be inducing from this stack size anyway cos we won't be balanced. We want max FE really, if shoving makes them fold 66 for instance, that's great for us. A 3x might convince them to shove 66.
Hand 6 - Good shove
Hand 7 - Yeah give we're so short AND we're in the BB, AND we have a pair, just gotta call it off.
Hand 8 - Good stuff
Hand 9 - Good stuff
Hand 10 - Good but I definitely value bet the river.
Hand 11 - A call on the flop is probably better. When we jam we get called by 5x and bigger PPs and fold out everything worse/stop him bluffing the turn when he misses the turn with AK/AQ etc.
Hand 12 - what a life, easy game lol.
lol nice one! 8-1, i'm catching up lol 1/5
£73 for 11th must have been some buy in haha
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Had a flick through the rest, hand 5 is an insta ship pre yes.
Some people may think this is a terrible play, but oppo had been doing it a fair bit and didnt expect to get looked up lol
Since challenge with Kalie started played 6, cashed twice.
Played a live tournie today, 1st plave 600, 2nd 300, 3rd 140, 4th 65
I end up going out 4th, and this is what happened...
I have 120k, blinds 5-10, 600k chips in play.
1 Player is sitting with 4bb and has been for 30 mins, just trying to ladder.
I'm in the BB, button opens to 35k, a tell he has a monster.
I'm sitting with AQ. I open shove, he snap calls with Kings, flop xxQ, i dont improve.
Gutted out in 4th place for 65 quid. After 6 hours of play, if i had just been a bit more patient, i would easily had £140 if not more....
The raise pre pretty much shows he has a monster, and i shove. Totally annoyed with myself.
Lesson learned, trust you instincts. 4th is better than the bubble!
WD on 4th.
It was a results orientated post, i done the right thing shoving, just unlucky i was up against the top of opponents range.
Still a cash and it was a good fun tournie.
Henrik
Obviously in this scenario I would be wrong.
But, to me a 3.5x on the button would make me think the exact opposite to what you thought.
He could be doing it with AJ, A10, JJ, 10-7's, maybe KQ, KJ. Just unlucky i was up against 1 of the 5 hands that was dominating me pre-flop.
Just caught up on this. VWP taking down an MTT. Testament to you doing the hard work to get there.
RE the live hand there is no way you can call out of your stack. And there is no way you can fold a hand like AQ with 12 big blinds as you may never get a better spot to DU. Its one of those things.... you just have to shove... Thats why poker isnt an exact science. You can do everything youre supposed to do and go out. He could easily have AJ or A10s or JJ, 1010, 99. KQs. Just unlucky to run into kings, thats all.
And you should always play for the win...
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Testament to you doing the hard work to get there.
Gaz just really been playing them. I still need to get a book on MTT's, would be interesting hearing a top players explanation/ view of how to play a MTT. Also have a look at some vids, if i can find any decent1s
The help in here and the clinic has been brilliant.
HAve spotted some mistakes, biggest ones are;
1) Calling big bets, or re raises with big pocket pairs, like Aces on a K 10 Q board. Or queens on a 457 o/s board. At the low levels, players are never bluffing in these spots, they always have it and am as well just folding
2) Tilting/ getting annoyed making really bad plays/ hitting a time i just play really bad because i don't want to be playing anymore. I've done this in 10% of the mtts since i started this thread.
3) Giving away chips when it's shallow (you told me that!). Don't give away chips so that when you do double up it's more money for when you du.
4) sometimes not aggressive enough.
But it's going well, was just brilliant to take 1 down since i started this thread. Was really sweet as well that it was the orfie, as the standard is the highest in this, versus other any MTT i play.
Youve just listed a number of things youve noticed on how to improve simply by playing on your own accord which is brilliant, and you went and won the orfie - one of the most popular tournaments on the site.
Add that up all together and yes... your hard work is paying off.
You've been really spot on with your feedback, looking at hand histories talking over situations.
Glad i started this thread, has definatly been worthwhile