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Short session last night, as I had company, but I rattled throgh 16 games in around 2 hours.
No £11 games ran, so it was £5.50 all the way, woo-woo.
First 2 games I was controlling the table like a champ, plenty of chips, good discipline, & bossing them. I lost both, lol.
In both cases, the same opponent bought about my downfall.
He's a regular, & a fearsome opponent, so I'm always wary of him. He plays the exact polar opposite of me. I play very few hands, sometimes just 3 or 4, rarely more than 8 or 9, per DYM. He plays, literally, EVERY hand. Limps in, someone raises, Call, da de da. Each to their own, 100 ways to skin a dog.
Anyway, in both cases, he & I had 75% of the chips.
I find the Aces, & almost fold them, but decided to play them, & pot it. He flats me, gets there, & I do my stack. Both times.
The weird thing is that one of the shorties had less than 2 bigs on both occasions.
Now I don't know about you, but in those spots, I'm not taking on a Big Stack, I'm coasting to the win.
Shame I never heeded my own logic.
Sure, we can blame him, it makes no sense for him to battle with me. But I know his game, so it was pretty dumb of me to play those two hands really. I KNOW he never folds, so why did I get involved?
Anyway, another lesson learned, which is good. Keep improving these little details, & I have to get better. Probably.
Slight change of plan tonight, as I'm playing two UKOPS Tourneys, & doing Skype-ins - like that expression? - every hour.
So I may be able to play a handful of PLO8 DYM's alongside the UKOPS stuff, but I do find it hard to juggle the two disciplines at the same time, especially with the Skype things every hour, which need a bit of prepping & concentration.
I played the Super Roller last Sunday, same deal, & made a complete idiot of myself, & got roundly mocked by the 861 Presenter & Analyst, especially that damn Oxford chap. And tonight I'm playing BOUNTY HUNTERS, & I don't recall taking a Head Prize in a BH since about 2008.
Ah well, into each day, some good, some bad. c'est la vie as the Spanish say.
Now that is impressive ROI. Playing none and yet still managing to win 9 of them
Friday 27th December
Played 7
Won 4
Lost 3
Split....
£2.25 - Played 0, won 0, Lost 0
£5.50 - Played 6, won 4, lost 2
£11.00 - Played 1, won 0, Lost 1
PROFIT/LOSS on Day £4.00
PROFIT/LOSS per game £0.57
REWARD POINTS = 40
BANKROLL at close of Play = £753.56
REWARD POINTS at close of play = 4,295 (= £64.42)
December to date....
Played 485
Won 288
Lost 197
Win-rate, November, 59.38%
Profit/LOSS per game = £0.59
PROFIT/LOSS in December, £286.41
Sunday 29th December
Played 41
Won 26
Lost 15
Split....
£2.25 - Played 9, won 6, Lost 3
£5.50 - Played 26, won 14, lost 12
£11.00 - Played 6, won 4, Lost 2
PROFIT/LOSS on Day £16.43
PROFIT/LOSS per game £0.40
REWARD POINTS = 217
BANKROLL at close of Play = £770.19
REWARD POINTS at close of play = 4,512 (= £67.78)
December to date....
Played 526
Won 314
Lost 212
Win-rate, November, 59.38%
Profit/LOSS per game = £0.60
PROFIT/LOSS in December, £302.84
How many games per day? It varies, depending on my workload & availability. I try & play between 20 & 30 most evenings.
How many at a time? Usually no more than 4 or 5, I guess 3 or 4 on average. It is a factor of liquidity - I Register for every £5.50 & £11 that runs during my sessions, so if 5 run at once, I play 5, if 3, then 3.
I am playing exclusively PLO8 DYM's @ present.
What starting hands should you play in PLO?
Well we all play differently, but personally, I'd not play "high pairs" or suited connectors really. High pairs are essentially "one pair" hands, & 1 pair hands are rarely favourites if we are against more than one opponent. "Bad" Kings, for example, need to go in the muck pre, even Bad Aces should be mucked UNLESS you can get it heads up.
By "bad" (Kings or Aces) I mean Kings or Aces with no back-up or extensions/improvers. A-A-9-4, (4 suited), is NOT a hand to go to war with multi-way, you must learn to bin these pre in most cases. It has no improvers except hitting a set, so we are on a two-outer really.
Suited connecters, as such, are not much cop either, unless they are "nut suited" (A-K), but the straight part of A-K can only improve at one end, not both ends. UNsuited connectors are fine, as long as we only draw to the nut end. With middling suited connectors, we are NEVER drawing to the nut flush.
Omaha is largely a game of BIG cards - paint. We can play rundowns of course (7-8-9-10 sort of thing) but ONLY draw to the top end of the potential straight in these - if you are drawing to the bottom end (flop, say, J-Q-x) then THROW THEM AWAY.
Really, (imo), the key to Omaha is hands that work together.
So we want rundowns, suited aces, that sort of thing. If Matey Boy showed me his bad aces pre-flop & I had, say, 9-10-J-Q double suited, I would take a flop 100% of the time. If I hit the flop HARD, we go to war, if I miss the flop, or hit the wrong end, bin the hand.
If you are a NLH player, where hands like A-K, A-Q, Q-Q & J-J are enough to get it all-in, forget all that, you need a completely different range of starting hands in PLO.
I hope you enjoy it, & if you have any more questions, fire away. PLO & PLO8 are truly beautiful games, but you do need to think a bit, & apply a bit of nous.
Good luck.
Had a monster session yesterday, & was around £40 ahead almost all day - then ran into turbulence (mostly poor decisions on my part) in late trading, & lost 6 of 7 between Games 31 & 37 to pull my numbers back to less exciting returns.
Still, a decent day overall, on most of my KPI's - won the Game Count 26-15, made a small profit to get me over £300 profit in December, the Profit Per Game figure is steady @ £0.60, & I netted a monster bag of Reward Points.
I'm tantalisingly close to 5,000 Reward Points in December, but I can't play a full session today as I'm doing some other stuff tonight, shame really, I'd get a "free" £25 if I could have reached 5,000 points. Never mind, no need to be greedy, & my Reward momey will still be north of £70.
Lots of £5.50 games ran yesterday, & loads of new players appearing almost daily. All good.
Remember this hand we both butchered?
Vividly. Was a shocking play on my part, a moment of madness, & it made me cross for hours afterwards. Rookie mistake, really was, & I got proper suckered & punished for my error.
I must add - & I said as much in the chat box - that Yammy played it beautifully, & cleverly extracted the Max. I should have called, yes, but re-potting the river, thinking I could apply enough pressure to force a fold from any flush by repping the Boat was pretty dumb. In fairness, I COULD have had the boat, & many players might fold there, but in High-low, with plenty of probable lows in the hand, it was not a good play.
I watched you play an earlier DYM, & if I may say so, I thought you were foot-perfect, you played really (technically) good PLO8, & I never saw you make a single error. You barely played any hands, in fact, just fold fold fold, but NO LIMPING or calling at all - brilliant. You must be the most improved PLO8 DYM player on here right now. We earn our profit in these from those who LIMP or Call too much.
It was the one you exited somewhat unfortunately, you had good Kings (K-K with a great back-up low, 3-4 I think) but you ran smack into Aces with a good low, & lost the lot. Given the stack sizes & Blinds, I think you had to go broke there. But if we keep making the right decisions, we will win more than we lose, & it is a numbers game - the more of them you play, the more you'll win, as quantity dilutes variance.
Like you i still make the odd "rookie" error, but striving to iron them out of my game.
I remember the KK34 hand well, but such is the game you will run into better hands on occasion.
I've just passed my 2nd anniversary playing on Sky (or anywhere for that matter).
Spent the first 18 months playing Holdem DYM's but was getting quite bored , then i discovered PLO8.
It has changed my whole outlook on Poker.
My BR is at its highest point to date and still haven't deposited anymore.
Happy Days
Long may it continue.
GL at the tables.
Mick
You are both right and wrong here.
He has the Hi pot with quads. And You have the Lo pot bot with A 2 3 4 6. Which on this board would be the nut Lo. The straight does not play except as a potential for the Hi.
The Lo pot is the 2 lowest card in your hand that are not contained on the board which in this case is A 4
So an ace is always the lowest card.
The way you read a Lo is similar to a flush. You start from the highest card and work downwards
So for example 6 5 4 3 2 against
6 4 3 2 A.
We can see the second card in the second hand is lower and therefore this is a better Lo hand. Suits and straights are irrelevant here. Just the lowest possible 5 card combination
The way to look at it is to divide your aims into 3 parts and they are in this order.
1) Win the Hi. (there is always a Hi hand but not always a Lo)
2) WIn both Hi and Lo pots.
3) Win the Lo
Do not play hands that are just basically cards that draw to the Lo only. At best all you can get is your chips back. Hi is the way to go always
Monday 30th December
Played 27
Won 19
Lost 8
Split....
£2.25 - Played 2, won 2, Lost 0
£5.50 - Played 16, won 10, lost 6
£11.00 - Played 9, won 7, Lost 2
PROFIT/LOSS on Day £56.50
PROFIT/LOSS per game £2.09
REWARD POINTS = 176
BANKROLL at close of Play = £826.69
REWARD POINTS at close of play = 4,793 (= £71.89)
December to date....
Played 489
Won 293
Lost 196
Win-rate, November, 59.91%
Profit/Loss per game = £0.62
PROFIT/LOSS in December, £359.34
Strange day yesterday. Once again, I played two UKOPS Events, with my bustout hands shown on the Channel, & once again, I did a disastrous FAIL. I had good chips in the Main, but did most of them in a bad spot with A-K (one diamond) on a 3 diamond low flop, but I'd been called by 8-10 of Diamonds, & I never improved. Needless stack off, really.
Playing those meant I played less PLO8 DYM's, but in those, I had just about my best day ever. The message is clear - it's time I stopped playing NLH MTT's.
Anyway, the DYM's went wonderfully, in just about every way. I began well, winning 10 of the first 11, & though I came off the top a bit, the results were still very good. Won the Game Count 19-8, & crucially, 7 of the 9 I played @ £11. The Profit per game on the day was over £2, & for the month, the average profit per game is now £0.62.
I had hoped to win 60% if my games in December, but with one day to go, I am a nadge shy of 60%, @ 59.91%.
Melty joined us for a game or two, & even the aged JAKALLY played one, though I believe he was asleep throughout. He still busted everyone though. Meanwhile, in the game he was in, I played exactly ONE hand. And I cashed. Happy days.
Been a good month, just need to avoid a silly day today now.
Not sure how much traffic there will be today, what with NYE & everything. Shame really, as I'mn going to fall just short of 5,000 points, which would be worth an additional £25 to me. If I get close to 5,000, I may have to sit in a £50 or £100 NLH DYM. Oh, wait, I'm useless at NLH.....
Interesting maths sum there, though, if I played a £50 NLH DYM & it took me over the 5,000 threshold & thus a bonus £25. Presumably it would be deemed +Ev to do so, I'm not sure.
I watched you closely yesterday, but did not want to say too much in the chat Box, other players get uppity, "no coaching", & it may have appeared rude.
A few points.
1) This is PLO8, not PLO, you need to adjust your starting hand criteria. Early doors, you opened with (something like) Q-Q-J-K. This is a nice PLO hand, but at that stage, with Blinds small, not a hand I'd play in PLO8. Really, we want TWO WAY hands. We might be playing the paint pair, but if we have A-low with it, it gives us some insurance at the bottom end. So, Q-Q-A-4 is MUCH better than Q-Q-J-K, as we are now playing both ends. If someone spikes a K or A, we still have the Low in play.
2) You doubled up early. From that stage, you DID NOT NEED TO GET INVOLVED. Look around the Table all the time, at stack sizes & player tendancies. There was a guy in that game, 4 handed, who had TWO Big Blinds @ 200-400. And he limped in a hand on the Button. It was checked down, & his hand was shown - it was 9-9-9-7. That is a catasatrophic play, that is not a PLO8 hand, it is a bag of rusty spanners. The point being, if you have a big stack, & you see play like that, you can be pretty sure they will bust out, so there is no point in you getting involved with other big stacks. We do NOT have to win hands to win these things, sometimes we can let other players do the work, & bust themselves.
3) An Ace is a powerful card in all poker formats, but ESPECIALLY so in PLO8. The Ace plays both ends, so really, I almost never go to war without an Ace in my hand. OK, 4 handed @ the shove stage, I may be shoving without an Ace, but before then, I ALWAYs want an Ace in my hand. Even K-K becomes much more playable if I have A-4 or similar with them, as that Ace is an insurance policy against our Kings getting busted. Early doors I will throw K-K-7-9 in the muck, pre, not invest a chip, but K-K-2-3 or K-K-A-4 I'll play. In fact, K-K-2-3 is a BEAUTIFUIL hand, as the Ace Insurance works perfectly.
4) When we rach the shove stage, 4 handed, try & find two-way hands. We cant wait for hands that contain an Ace, but hands like K-J-2-5 are just fine.
5) You do NOT need to play many hands, or even make up the Small Blind. Conserve your chips until you are 4 handed, you have more muscle to shove with then. I rarely play any hands at all before we are 4 handed, & I ONLY play A-A type hands until then, too. Most players play far too many hands in these. It is not about "chip-getting" it is about chip conservation. By conserving my stack, I give myself a healthy shoving stack 4 handed.
6) When 4 handed, ALWAYS try to be first to act when shoving. This gives us 2 ways to win - they all pass (perfect) or our hand holds. A hand such as A-K-2-5 is a lovely shoving hand when 4 left, & Blinds big, BUT......if someone opens in front of us, we can now consider passing it, as we only have one way to win. Two ways beats one way, all day long.
These are just my personal opinions, & I doubt they coincide with the Coaching Videos or the lads in Team Swinging Appendage, but they work for me.
Good luck
Tuesday 31st December
Played 40
Won 25
Lost 15
Split....
£2.25 - Played 5, won 2, Lost 3
£5.50 - Played 30, won 20, lost 10
£11.00 - Played 5, won 3, Lost 2
PROFIT/LOSS on Day £29.00
PROFIT/LOSS per game £0.73
REWARD POINTS = 213
BANKROLL at close of Play = £855.69
REWARD POINTS at close of play = 5,006 (= £100.12)
December final totals....
Played 529
Won 318
Lost 211
Win-rate, November, 60.11%
Profit/Loss per game = £0.73
PROFIT/LOSS in December, £387.34