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Mother went on holiday for three weeks just before you returned. she was wondering when you would come back as she missed you sooooooooooooooooo much.
You are right breaking even did feel like a win, I also think I need to stop and think a bit more and as you said yesterday CONCENTRATE.
Nick
I agree as to concentration. TV, music, chatting at home or on the rail, surfing aircraft & concrete forums, stroking the dog, none of these things help.
With 2 or 3 tables open, my mind wanders, that's why I seem to do better with 6 or 7, as it makes me concentrate better.
GL at the tables
Mick
Do we raise? Yes. Agression is almost always good
Is limping acceptable/common? Yes. Way more common than in Hold'em. A raise is usually preferable to a limp (as in Hold'em) but a limp can more easily be defended pre-flop in Omaha High/Low as you're never going to be too far ahead or behind until you see the flop.
Do we cbet as per holdem? Yes, but in DYMs we don't have much wiggle room post flop once the blinds start to go up. You're making decision for stacks early on, especially if the pre-flop raise was "pot"
The way my holdem dyms are going it won't be long before I try the change in format!
Sorry to hijack this thread but just wanted to post 2 hands to see if I'm along the right lines or way off!!!
1. Is this Ok/bad? should I be folding river seeing as the board has paired??
I will post any other HH in the clinic so I don't spoil this diary. Just wanted to post a couple on here first cos all of the posters seem to be a knowledgeable bunch!
10th July Numbers & Stuff
Played 30
Won 17
Lost 13
£3.30, P 19, W 11, L 8
£5.50, P 9, W 6 L 3
£11, P2, W 0, L 2
Opening Balance - £1,297.65
Closing Balance = £1,289.45
Profit Loss on Night - £8.30
Profit Loss on Month = £4.35
REWARD POINTS on night = 122
REWARD POINTS IN MONTH = 853 (= £8.53)
GAMES PLAYED IN MONTH = 211
GAMES WON IN MONTH = 115
WIN % = 54.5%
On the face of it, not a good night, losing £8, despite winning 17 from 30, which is just about OK.
But I played 2 @ £11, & lost both, which completely skews the results. So I'm not too troubled, variance will take care of that, but it is a bit worrying that I'm not making any progress overall, being just break-even after 211 games, which is not much to write home about.
Plenty of traffic for most of the evening, & I knocked off 30 games in under 4 hours, which is remarkable for this time of year. SNG Traffic on Sky Poker is roaring along at the moment, the best its ever been at this time of year, so that's heartening for the winter.
I played OK most of the evening, but was a bit cross with myself for my early bath in the 2nd £11er I played.
With Blinds medium sized & above, & unless I have an abso monster (A-A-2-x etc) I have a default of being "first to open" with hands like A-K-2-4 or similar. But if I have enough chips & time, if someone raises in front of me, I generally let these go. Why? Because by being the first to bet, at least 70% of the time, maybe more, I get it through without seeing a flop, & everyone folds. These are good odds, we can't lose if they fold pre.
But in this case, someone - might have been our mate Enut, opened first, & I re-potted. We had the same high hand I think (A-K), but he had a slightly better low, & he ended up with the wheel & got the lot. Think I should have just folded pre. Enut's range here is generally pretty solid, too, he does not open with spanners.
Anyway, no great damage, but a bit frustrating to lose those 2 @ £11, which equates to a £40 swing.
Am really enjoying these sessions now, & plan to play the next 4 nights in a row. I might go up to DTD @ the weekend, undecided at the mo, & I'm working Tuersday evening, but I reckon I might just decide to have 4 nights Online to really get my eye in.
I'm going to start a dedicated PLO8 DYM thread in the Strategy section shortly, so feel free to use that to post any PLO8 hands.
Of the 2 hands you posted, my view would be.....
The first one, it's just a bit of a cooler really. You could not fold for less than 500, Dawn might just have three Jacks, but very often has the boat here. Not sure you should or could fold getting 5/1 though. It's a crying call I think.
Aside from stack maths, generally if the board pairs in PLO or PLO8, it is very dangerous, & posts a great big "slow down" style red flag. We see LOTS of full houses in Omaha, so be careful, it's not like NLH where we almost never fold boats. If the board pairs on the flop, its easy to get away, on the river, when pot stuck, not so easy.
In the other hand, which was against me, I don't recall it, but judging from my stack size, I was looking for a spot. Whilst I don't recall the hand, I'd near guarantee that I had...
An Ace.
Another high card, either K, Q or J.
Two nice low cards with my Ace.
Something like A-K-2-5 maybe. Just guessing, but that's my range here, given my stack size. You had a very pretty hand, nothing wrong with the bet, but in an ideal world, you'd want to see a high flop, as if the low comes you can almost never scoop. Of course, if the Board does not come a low, you are near certain to scoopio.
Hope to see more of you in these games.
Don't be a sheep & keep limping in, it has to be bad.
For balance, in Levels 1 & 2, it's not terrible to limp now & then, just don't get into the habit of doing it a lot, be very selective. If you see some players limping in every hand, as you often do, I can guarantee they are not profitable.
Limp in, catch a bit of the flop, call another bet, & it can soon get expensive. We need to preserve our ammo for the "aggro" stage from Level 5 onwards.
Limp-calling a raise is even worse. If the hand is good enough to limp-call, then we should have raised in the first place.
All IMO of course.
One little tip on C-betting.
When we raise pre, 90% of the calls we get are LOW DRAWING HANDS. So even if we are on the Low, & have missed the flop completely, (lets say we have A-2-4-6 & it comes all high), we can still make that C-Bet, & mostly, they all fold quickly. When this one goes wrong though, & we get looked up, we don't 'arf feel daft.....
Hi Waller, regarding your 9 10 K A (ds) hand.
(This is purely my opinion of course.....)
It's the sort of hand that given the right situation, is worth seeing a flop with early levels, if you can get there v. cheaply that is. Later levels, given the right situation and if needs must, it's a sort of cross fingers and pot raise hand.
Someone will probably correct me, but it's something like a 70% chance that any board will produce a Lo hand. Given that you didn't have a drawing hand for any lo, you're gambling for the flop to bring flush/straight draws and high cards (or at least two) only, for you to scoop the lot.
If the 9c you held was a 2c or 3c, I'd be happy to get the lot in pre-flop if short stacked and at later levels. Actually, I would be pot raising with that if first to act every game of the week, but of course the usual answer regarding PLO8 is, it would depend on the situation, position, opponents etc etc.
That's what I think anyways, would be interested in what others think.
Very interesting to note that, as you say, if we can add a suited deuce instead of one of the paint cards, this is then a premium hand to go to war with in any situation.
For example, this hand would rank as a Top 50 hand.....
A-2-10-9 DS.
Whereas this hand would be around 1,000 in the pre-flop hand rankings.
A-K-10-9 DS
See the difference thst 2 makes?
The difference that 2 makes is crucial, & huge. When we are dealt our starting hand, we always want to see A-2-x-x. We can go to war with most A-2-x-x hands. With A-K-10-9, as Maca says, we are gambling on a high only flop really.
Yeah it's a good idea introducing a PLO8 strategy section in the clinic because there is so much more to learn than certainly I ever realised. You can learn holdem (up to a certain level) just by playing but I definitely think PLO8 requires a lot more studying in order to become a competent player.
It's a very fun game though. I certainly won't be playing it instead of holdem just yet but it will be good to have some other form of the game to play during periods of boredom or run bad.
Thanks again. See you on the tables and best of luck.
I am fairly certain I made a few mistakes in not calling to try and eliminate shortstacks and I didnt have a clue which hands to play in the midstages so made very few steals. I will try a few of the mtts to try out plo8 with deeper stacks as it was a refreshing change from nlhe.
11th July Numbers & Stuff
Played 31
Won 17
Lost 14
£3.30, P 21, W 12, L 9
£5.50, P 10, W 5 L 5
£11, P 0, W 0, L 0
Opening Balance - £1,289.45
Closing Balance = £1,287.15
Profit Loss on Night - £2.30
Profit Loss on Month = £6.65
REWARD POINTS on night = 115
REWARD POINTS IN MONTH = 966 (= £9.66)
GAMES PLAYED IN MONTH = 242
GAMES WON IN MONTH = 132
WIN % = 54.5%
It all began so well.....
Best ever start to a session, I think, winning the first 8 games, but then it all went a bit pete.
Middle of the session was downhill, the last third I ran really ugly bad, but I was still on course for a profit, & was guaranteed to win more games than I lost. Ended up winning the game count 17-14, but losing 2 quid on the day.
The penultimate game was a disgrace. I got it in against some chap, & I had 137 outs twice, I was all over him, had him bang to rights. How well does that Jac35 run? Disrespectful to call my raises, too.
War is declared.
12th July Numbers & Stuff
Played 31
Won 16
Lost 15
£3.30, P 22, W 10, L 12
£5.50, P 7, W 4 L 3
£11, P 2, W 2, L 0
Opening Balance - £1,287.15
Closing Balance = £1,298.05
Profit Loss on Night - £10.90
Profit Loss on Month = £4.25
REWARD POINTS on night = 119
REWARD POINTS IN MONTH = 1,087 (= £10.87)
GAMES PLAYED IN MONTH = 273
GAMES WON IN MONTH = 148
WIN % = 54.2%
It was those £11ers that made the difference again, but this time, played 2 & won both. Makes such a difference if I can win those beauties.
One of them lasted less than an orbit. A new player arived & potted every hand, every street, it was most extraordinary. And then I found good Aces.
I'm not keen on getting it all-in pre in Level 1 of an £11er, but it had to be done, & some cheek-clenching ensued. He had 6-7-7-8 or somesuch, & I held without much of a sweat. "Phew" I thought, then a few hands later, no idea how, but it was all over. Yikes. Skill game.
On the run-bad side, mid-session I lost all connections for about 30 minutes. My Tables would not load, & I could not log out, log in, anything. It cost me 3 games @ £3.30, but fortunately, the £5.50 & £11ers I had Regged for did not start, so that saved me a few bob.
It was fine once it "cleared itself", but a bit frustrating of course. It happens.
Had some great "cling-on" comebacks, most satisfying. Doubt I've ever seen a player who hangs in as stubbornly as FCHD though, he never gives up, great to watch. Never moans, either.
Jeez, there were some moans & groans last night. Moan when they lose, chirp when they win. It's extraordinary, every time they lose it is Sky Poker's fault, when they win, it's all skill. Guess they don't realise how daft they look when they spout that nonsense.
"Had a bad week, Sky has ****ed me over every night" said the geezer who ran his K-K-x-x into my A-A-x-x. Lordy lordy.....
My old adversary "Alexis74" was on the Tables last night. He is such a technically organised player, great to see, never wastes a chip.
Overall, I'm back in profit for July, by a smidgen, but I'm not quite clicking" yet, I should be winning more games. It might just be variance, I don't know, but I feel I ought to be doing better.
Even so, I've played poker most nights, it's not cost me a bean, & had some great fun with like-minded people. What's not to like?
Will be playing again this evening, though with the World Cup final mid-evening, I doubt it'll be very busy. Should be better tomorrow (Monday), but I'll be working on Tuesday, with Boycey & Lord Grumpy on The Open Golf Betting Preview Show on Ch 861.
Enjoy your Sunday.
13th July Numbers & Stuff
Played 30
Won 13
Lost 17
£3.30, P 17, W 8, L 9
£5.50, P 10, W 3 L 7
£11, P 3, W 2, L 1
Opening Balance - £1,298.05
Closing Balance = £1,267.95
Profit Loss on Night - £30.10
Profit Loss on Month = £25.85
REWARD POINTS on night = 131
REWARD POINTS IN MONTH = 1,218 (= £12.18)
GAMES PLAYED IN MONTH = 303
GAMES WON IN MONTH = 161
WIN % = 53.1%
Well that was a shocker, could not do right for doing wrong.
Lost the game count 13-17, just salvaging a bit of pride & money by winning 2 of 3 @ £11. Overall a loss of £30 though, which is quite embarrassing, not to say expensive.
Not sure what I did wrong, but it felt like my hands did not hold. Some nights we run really good, others not so much.
I made a really bad error early doors in a £3.30, when 2 of us had most of the chips, me with 3,900, & the Chippie 4,200. It was just a "sit & wait" affair, no need to do anything at all, just wait for a shortie to bust. He was BB to my SB, & I found great Aces & popped it up expecting him to pass, no need to get involved. You know the rest. Bad play by both of us really, but I guess I started it, & I could have folded at any point. Why do we do these daft things when we know for sure they are wrong? Ego, maybe, I don't know.
EvilPingu joined us late on, & he was completely bossing the last £11er that ran. I was shortie all the way, but picked my spots well & eventually doubled up, but Andy was still big chippie. Then I found the Aces, DS, & popped it up & Andy took me on with something like 2-3-4-6, but I held. Phew. Love to see these quality players in the PLO8 DYM's.
Much more traffic than I had expected, considering the World Cup Final was on mid-evening. 30 PLO8 DYM's @ £3.30 & above on a night like that must bode well.
Sat 19th July, 3pm, £55 BI, Holdem.
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