WEDS 11/6/14 - PLAYING FOR A SPOT IN THE MINI, ENDS IN A CLOSE CALL Thanks you guys for all the good advice posted - a Good link "Rocky" which I'll get watching soon. Just spent 90mins grinding away on the Mini FR, with top ten getting paid. had been doing quite well, but had taken a little bit of a beat before my exit hand. Shoved for like 8Bigs with a reasonable hand (AT). Oh my LIFE how poor can my timing get - what does my opponent turn over, but PAIRED ACES!!!! Two pairs for me on the flop but I realised as soon as I see what the villain was holding who called my shove that it was GAME OVER.... Never mind at least I feel I played this one better, and finished exactly 10% of the field. Still a bit gutting to miss out as I felt I was going to get my desired spot in the mini. As the villain in Mr Gadget said "I'LL GET YOU GADGET! NEXT TIME!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_2_cJxYYhM Posted by GaryLaud
In Response to Re: GaryLaud's diary : Hi Gary, nice to see you taking on people advice. regarding the limping preflop (not sure you pciked up on how important this is!)... Limping is often seen as a way to see a cheap flop with a hand you dont want to commit many chips with by raising. the problem is, alot of the time you will get raised by someone else (especially if you start moving to bigger games) and you will be forced to call a raise or fold. so you didnt want to raise, but now you have to put the same amount of chips in anyway (at least!), or sacrifice the ones you have put in. all those times that you limp then fold add up, and lose you quite alot of money. ok, so you can just call the raise, then you dont lose money by limp folding right? erm, no. you probably lose more. you call and see the flop, but around 2/3 of the time you miss the flop completely. now what? you check and fold to a continuation bet... more chips down the drain. The only time you can ever really win the pot is by hitting the best hand. or by running an often expensive bluff. compare that to raising preflop - having the "betting lead" is actually quite important, because generally people will check to the preflop agressor, and they have a chance to take the pot down with a continuation bet - it doesnt matter if you dont have a good hand, you can still win the pot some of the time without a good hand say you have a big hand and have been limping alot...what you gonna do now? limp again and risk going multi way to the flop? or raise and give away your hand strength? good players see limping as a great big flag above your head saying "come and get my easy £££", they will often raise with weaker hands than normal, just so that they can get heads up in a pot with you, then pile on the pressure knowing you will miss the flop 2/3 of the time and fold you can avoid all of this by doing one simple thing... raise every hand you want to play when first into the pot. You will be very hard pushed to find a proessinal player (from the last 5 yrs or so) that limps preflop, if my arguments werent enough already, that surely says it all! please please please promise me you will try it, not limping when first into the pot. it is a good idea to watch players you admire. even better to watch videos of professionals where you can see their hole cards, or watch training videos. Im sure there are some decent training videos knocking around youtube for free. Posted by chicknMelt
Sorry only saw your chat just as i was checking exit hand +1 to see if i should have gone with it & another table opened so had to close table.I stuck that hand up in the sit & go section so you can get your own back on my play ;-)
I was practicing multi-tabling badly. Sorry only saw your chat just as i was checking exit hand +1 to see if i should have gone with it & another table opened so had to close table.I stuck that hand up in the sit & go section so you can get your own back on my play ;-) At least you out lasted me ;-((. Gl. Posted by belsibub
+1
Good to tangle with you again buddy! probably another session between 4-7pm tomorrow, then it's off to watch the footy! don't care if it's the hosts, it's world cup game #1, COUNT ME IN!
Nothing wrong with that exit hand, played spot on and just very ul to see one of the few hands that has you crushed. Poker is a simple game when you get to 10 BB or less and reduces your choices to shove or fold! Posted by shakinaces
+1 Shaky,
Yeah when I looked at my cards and spotted AT I thought that "These (chips) are going into the middle" bit suprising they turned over aces, but hey! S*** happens! Im guessing "so what" attitudes and playing with a little less fear are the reason why on Tuesday night I cash 3 from 4 DYM's and the other one I was pretty much out of it, when I lost a big pot.
Last night I was 50% win-rate, and was quite happy with that esp as two of the games I ended up being called away from my laptop and pretty much out of it in terms of chips when I was able to return..bit poor timing on my part starting/entering those two games when I did! Lol.
Hi,Gary. We just met in a 60p dym. I don't recall coming across you at the tables before but I shall read your diary with interest in future as there aren't many posters on the forum that I've played against.
Hi,Gary. We just met in a 60p dym. I don't recall coming across you at the tables before but I shall read your diary with interest in future as there aren't many posters on the forum that I've played against. For the record, we both cashed. Good luck at the tables. Posted by 4EVERGREEN
Good one to cash in that one, esp as we were all more or less even when the second elimination occured.. as pleasing as the ones where a comeback from just a few Big's to cash as well...did that earlier this week too..although I did get V Lucky in a couple of spots!
In Response to Re: GaryLaud's diary : Good one to cash in that one, esp as we were all more or less even when the second elimination occured.. as pleasing as the ones where a comeback from just a few Big's to cash as well...did that earlier this week too..although I did get V Lucky in a couple of spots! Posted by GaryLaud
Very difficult to win without getting a bit of luck somewhere along the way. In this particular game I got lucky when the bubble boy played a poor hand in a very strange way against my pocket jacks. You're right about comebacks being pleasing, one of my happiest memories is coming back from 65 chips with blinds of 25 50, with 5 players left, to cash in second place. The poker gods were certainly on my side that time.
Many thanks for the add me as a friend request, happy to accept.
Not sure how often we'll encounter each other on the tables, I work a night shift so usually only play in the afternoon and then only 60p dyms but I look forward to our next meeting.
Just deleted a number of posts. Keep it friendly please guys and don't get all sweary and personal. Good luck everyone. Posted by TommyD
+1 tommy
I was writing a reply when you deleted it, would love to have had a rant at him, don't know who he thinks he is!
Gary is an inexperienced player and is just starting out, not everybody can deposit large sums, I think this is an excellent diary with some really constructive advice, if anybody is starting out then its a good read, everybody starts somewhere.
Pretty poor show if someones been on giving grief,
Dont let the comments get you down, it normally means you have won a hand they disagree with your play.
Its your money and your cards and its up too you mainly what you do with those,
Players who come on spewing thier problems at other players are ones which are unlike you, that are trying too improve and a gentlemen at the table.
These players will not improve as they like too complain at others about how they got beat and its never thier fault.
OK sometime we all get annoyed at some hands, but thats poker, there is no need to post it on peoples diarys.and try and make them feel small, move on say nh and get on with it.
Intead of moaning, if u see a problem try and help, if he played a hand which could be a losing play in the long run point it out and try and help, as u can see with the diary gary is a beginer and plays low stakes as most the majority of the site.
In Response to Re: GaryLaud's diary : +1 tommy I was writing a reply when you deleted it, would love to have had a rant at him, don't know who he thinks he is! Gary is an inexperienced player and is just starting out, not everybody can deposit large sums, I think this is an excellent diary with some really constructive advice, if anybody is starting out then its a good read, everybody starts somewhere. Posted by BOOBOO81
Pretty poor show if someones been on giving grief, Dont let the comments get you down, it normally means you have won a hand they disagree with your play. Its your money and your cards and its up too you mainly what you do with those, Players who come on spewing thier problems at other players are ones which are unlike you, that are trying too improve and a gentlemen at the table. These players will not improve as they like too complain at others about how they got beat and its never thier fault. OK sometime we all get annoyed at some hands, but thats poker, there is no need to post it on peoples diarys.and try and make them feel small, move on say nh and get on with it. Intead of moaning, if u see a problem try and help, if he played a hand which could be a losing play in the long run point it out and try and help, as u can see with the diary gary is a beginer and plays low stakes as most the majority of the site. Gl gary. Posted by Chris_Mc
+1
Thank you Chris.
GL in your own advetures, to EVERYONE who has posted on my diary..and also TY for all the advice I have recieved thus far. What makes our Sky Poker community such a good one!
A Very nice weekend overall. Played some poker on Friday, taking in THREE Dym's and cashing 1, failing 2 for a W/R of 33% and a loss in my BR challenge.
NO Play Saturday as I had a lay-in and then was out the best part of the day socialising with friends, before watching England's narrow loss to Italy.
Tonight I've had quite a session. Took part in no less than SIX DYM games and had a bit of a heater and cashed in Five of them! Including at one point I had a five-game winning streak on the go (Inc my cash from my last game on Friday). That was broken by one of those types of DYM's where you can't do nothing about it, sometimes it simply doesnt go your way!
Still played one more and cashed in it too, crushing the table after getting quite low and earning a couple of double ups, taking out a player and winning the last hand of the night when my trip nines held against two other inc one short-stack who spent 90% of the game as "away".
Well, "week two" in June is done for me and it's been quite a month!
Week one was always going to be a bit special with several MTT's taking place within days of each other, and these included the weekly DTD Deepstack on Monday, TOTP special tuesday and "The Rainman Invitational/2.20@2:20" on Wednesday which had a large contingent of high-profile sky poker pro's and analists playing meaning it broke the 200 player barrier for the first time.
Finally started playing DYM's for first time in June, towards the weekend and had one mixed session and one good session, meaning I didn't finish the week as far down as I'd feared, especially when I got credited my rake-back fro May!
BR Movement -£1.75
WEEK 2
This past week's been a really quite a good one to be fair! Another deep run in Mondays Deepstack and then a Good DYM session on Tuesday which was preceded by a very good run in the MINI FR, which I am beginning to get pretty close to the top ten!
Wednesday was quite mixed and I only managed a W/R of 50%. A little play on thursday but I focused alot of energy on the Mini FR and another close call but wasn't to be, before playing AND CASHING two consecutive DYM's before logging off for the night to watch the opening game of the W/C.
Which then brings us right upto-date as per my most recent post.
BR Movement -£0.70
NB:- When I've filtered out the £1.00 I had spent in 2x rebuy's during the mini FR's and the £1.10 B/I for the deep-stacks this is technically my first profit week for DYM's. Things are on the looking up!
So kinda crazy week this has been thus far! Just been updating my spreadsheet and it shows massive losses, which I Ain't 'appy about. I REALLY Need to practice and tighten up my play alot and continue crush my 60p DYM's in order to begin to build my flagging bankroll!
MOND - DTD's
Played the deepstack as per normal. Was railed by a friend on the forum and got quite a fair number of pointers about potential leaks in my game..
TUES
I was back on DYM's and the first couple of the night, my exit hand's left me fuming, when I should really, realistically be ahead throughout the hand, and the villain BOTH TIMES ends up scooping a miracle river to knock me out.
Third and final game played late into midnight though I ended up cashing and played MUCH Better.
Good form continued into today - got in lots of practice on a variety of platforms and game stlyes and clearly reaped rewards early doors as I began the evening 2/2. This was where my evening began to unravel - feeling very confident, I regg'd into the next DYM Up, a £1.15 B/I in order to try lambert's DYM ladder challenge.
TRYING OUT £1.15 DYMs
Things were looking good with one already out and two player's with about half of my 1.2k stack which had slowly declined due to having no cards to speak of. Then I hit some cards, bet out and each time my opponent somehow ended up showing a better hand
I exited that DYM. Table trash convinced me to enroll into ANOTHER at that £1.15 value.
Not quite as big a fall from grace, but i was behind alot of the time and never caught up, having hit absolutely nothing and even when I did, and was convinced I was good, villain turns over much better cards!
BACK TO 60P
What I should have done before playing the second £1.15 DYM was drop back down to the 60p DYM but alas I didnt and my BR took a hammering as a result, and it'll probably take me 3x 60p win's just to repair the damage! Still took a small step towards doing just that by cashing, when It was made quite easy for me when 2x players went out very early when there was QUADs showing in the MIDDLE! I've NEVER seen that in the two-three month's i've been on Sky!
So what WAS the BR damage you may ask?
-£1.50 total! not alot, but quite significant when I won just once on tuesday and played the deepstack without cashing.
Won't detail my BR as it's too embarassing to state this ATM!
Hand 1 all-in or fold on the flop for me.Either you think he's got it or not.I favour the fold unless you have gleaned any info though the game.With your stack can't be calling.As played add 'limped k's b on b 200/100' to his notes.
Hand 2. I am probably setting him in pre.If not definitely on the flop.
Hand 3.All-in pre simples.
But I am a bit laggy(more mtt than dym) so will wait & see what dym regs say.
Hand 1 Fold on flop Hand 2 All in on flop Hand 3 All in pre flop Too much calling Gary raise or fold is the best option most times. Posted by spinky6108
+1 on this gary, lots of calling,
Hand 1 i would fold, u now have another orbit, too wait for something better too get it.
As per previous posts... stop limping so much pre / passively calling post
Hand 2 - I may be wrong here as haven't played DYM for almost a year, but starting the hand with 14 bigs and several shorter stacks around, it feels a little too loose to be shoving during this hand. The check on the flop shows he isn't too strong... possibly a case for checking behind I suppose...
Just thinking dynamic where survival is key... not sure shoving pre gets called by much worse too often and we don't really need to be getting into what at best would be a flip or 60:40 with this stack size.
As it is, he luckboxes his perfect turn and calling down probably makes sense... got off lightly to not hand out a full double up.
As per previous posts... stop limping so much pre / passively calling post Hand 2 - I may be wrong here as haven't played DYM for almost a year, but starting the hand with 14 bigs and several shorter stacks around, it feels a little too loose to be shoving during this hand. The check on the flop shows he isn't too strong... possibly a case for checking behind I suppose... Just thinking dynamic where survival is key... not sure shoving pre gets called by much worse too often and we don't really need to be getting into what at best would be a flip or 60:40 with this stack size. As it is, he luckboxes his perfect turn and calling down probably makes sense... got off lightly to not hand out a full double up. Posted by shakinaces
Blind vs Blind and the guy has raised out of 8bbs.
just to let you know that I was NOT refering to you in my last dym post, it was said jokingly as a football pun said by Mark Lawrenson to Gary Lineker.
back to you. losing £1.50 is never nice but I am sure you can/will win it back, even if it takes a little time playing the 60p games.
get your /b/r & confidence back on track and then try the £1 games again when you are ready.
I would suggest you give yourself say a £20 b/r target, then try just ONE GAME at the £1 level.
if you lose.. STOP and go back to the 60p games straight away.
then repeat again. you will win at the £1 level, it might just take you a couple of trys at it.
good brm is key, when trying to build a b/r.
I have a b/r of almost £40 atm, but am still concentrating on just the £1 games, specifically so I can't do any real damage to my b/r at this crucial early stage of my challenge.
you should also imo, show your b/r as it will really help and encourage you as you see it go up at some point in the future.
anyway, that's all from me. hope you run good at those 60p dym's mate.
Comments
Poker is a simple game when you get to 10 BB or less and reduces your choices to shove or fold!
For the record, we both cashed.
Good luck at the tables.
You're right about comebacks being pleasing, one of my happiest memories is coming back from 65 chips with blinds of 25 50, with 5 players left, to cash in second place. The poker gods were certainly on my side that time.
Many thanks for the add me as a friend request, happy to accept.
Not sure how often we'll encounter each other on the tables, I work a night shift so usually only play in the afternoon and then only 60p dyms but I look forward to our next meeting.
Cheers mate
Ian
Keep it friendly please guys and don't get all sweary and personal.
Good luck everyone.
Hand 2 - I may be wrong here as haven't played DYM for almost a year, but starting the hand with 14 bigs and several shorter stacks around, it feels a little too loose to be shoving during this hand. The check on the flop shows he isn't too strong... possibly a case for checking behind I suppose...
Just thinking dynamic where survival is key... not sure shoving pre gets called by much worse too often and we don't really need to be getting into what at best would be a flip or 60:40 with this stack size.
As it is, he luckboxes his perfect turn and calling down probably makes sense... got off lightly to not hand out a full double up.