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Forum is dead now, it used to be really good but since sky split the categories into clinic/ cash/ tournament etc it can be 2 days between replies, unheard of a while ago.
All the good posters have left now, we are just left with really boring diarys ( one or 2 exceptions ) BBV is getting more traffic than the clinic.
I genuinely think that a lot of people are getting jacked off with the game, blame football and the weather at this time of year.
Only a very small percentage of players make money at this game but we all think" it could be me".
You don't get any good luck messages in the chatbox anymore, everyone is just aggro.
A lot of posters say they all play for fun, but I can guarantee they will all think "ffs how can he call with that" and it messes your nite up when we lose, its not fun,
Poker is just gambling with a slight edge but most tourneys are decided on the flip of a coin, go figure.
Dave,
Do you want an active forum? Abusing people on the forum isn't likely to get them to come back so am a bit confused about your intentions.
Given the weather and the world cup it is hardly surprising that activity is down for both the tables and the forum. What is your basis for a lot of people getting jacked off with the game? For the majority poker is a form of entertainment which they pay for, the may win sometimes but overall they know they will lose. Some are happy with this and feel they get value for money. Some may want to try and improve their game. So when there are other forms of entertainment (hot weather/world cup etc) its not surprising that numbers drop. Numbers drop on all sites, its not a sky specific thing.
Maybe its the games you play but I often see gl messages in chat at the start of a tournament, when players you know are moved to your table and often when deep you see people on the rail with gl messages. If it concerns you, have you tried saying GL all when your table opens? Its easy to blame the world for everything, its a lot harder to actually do something positive.
In the short term the edge can be small but over sensible sample sizes the edge can be significant so I have to disagree with your last statement. If your night is messed up by losing then maybe poker isn't the game for you or you should play lower stakes where losing doesn't effect you as much.
Anyway, gl at the tables Dave.
Sure you still get the non-regs going off on one when their aces get cracked, but that's always happened at every online poker site and will continue forever more. Humans don't like bad beats and a minority are always going to be numpties when they take on.
Can't disagree about the forum bit though, does seem a lot quieter this past year (not just summer/world cup season where you expect quiter). Not sure how that can be fixed though, probably only through an influx of new players?
Yep rake is the 'host' money that Sky (and all other sites) take on games.
ROI is Return on Investment - ie how much profit (or loss) you expect on average. I think good DYM players look to anywhere between 2% and 5% - ie for every £1 you pay, you expect to win back £1.02 - £1.05.
It doesn't look so much of a get rich quick thing when you stop to look at it like that
I think if my maths is right, you need to win 55 of every 100 games at £3.30 DYM or higher to breakeven. Winning 57 out of 100 gets you to 3.6% ROI.
By contrast at the lower buy-in games you'd need to win 62 / 100 games to get over 3% ROI...
At the higher value games that same win rate (62/100) would get nearly 13% ROI which even the very best players would really struggle to (or couldn't) sustain over a long term (I don't believe).
Puts into context the challenge faced by those playing the low buy-in games for anything other than pure entertainment. I certainly won't ever be going below the £3.30 games ever again!
It'll pay off in the long run
unfortunatley rake has a massive impact on winrate and variance. and its at the micros where the rake is highest.
poker is a form of gambling. it's a great form of gambling as the skill element means that a winning streak can be an ego boost [i am better than these fools] and a losing one down to dumb luck [i am better than these lucky fools]. but any form of gambling has to offer the chance of riding that thrill of winning. at the micros this cant be happenening and i worry it will put people off if they are flicking £5 or £10 onto the site and giving poker a spin.
here's why:
in 60p DYMs an average player will expect to win 50% of games. however because poker has a big luck element he might expect to go on a mini heater every now and then. if mr 50% goes on a 100 game heater and wins 60% of his games at this level he make ZILCH. he breaks even. no rush there.
look at gary. he wins 54% of his 60p DYMs yet feels so fustrated at his lack of progress that he has self excluded.
lets say his true winrate is 54%. he is significantly better than his opponents, yet if he played 1000 games and won 54% of them, even though prerake he would be up £40 for an ROI of 8% , after sky's rake he will be £60 down with an roi of -10%.
even players who have improved to the point where they are significantly better than those around them lose BADLY to sky.
jac35 one of the sites best DYMers has an ITM rate of 59.9%.
johnconnor a DYM reg with 33000 games and who is also a professional coach in this format has an ITM rate of 57%.
yet newbies, in order to stand a hope of winning need to achieve a 61% win rate. even if they go on a heater they will break even at best.
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i cant find one winning player at that level. the closest is a player who has a gold star, a 61% win rate at all levels and a 5.6roi total over 8000 games.
in other words he own the small stakes.
he played 800 x 60p dyms and has a 58.8% winrate in them. he crushes 60p DYM's
pre rake he would be up $114, post he is down $16.8.
newbs dont stand a chance of winning even if they heater. it cant be good if new players are hit by this wall of rake.
maybe this is why we have so many RNG / rig threads. players see they are better than the peeps around them yet are losing badly but dont undertand the effect the massive rake has on their results and how it means that even with POSITIVE variance they wont win.
if the rake where lower then new players could heater and win some money. they can experiance that thrill of seeing their balance rise. improving players stand a chance of getting to the point where they are breaking even over large samples and have essentially a free hobbie and will get games started. winning players will actually win some money [crazy idea, hope it catches on...] and will start seeding games higher up / move up to [where they will actually pay more rake].
it's grim at the moment, and cannot be sustainable, shurely?
it's all very well sky investing in a poker channel that coaches new players and promoting poker clinics / schools and 'how to beat...' guides - obviously they feel there is value in their player base improving their skill set. presumably it's because when peeps see their results improve / hit a run of form that they play more. sky get paid whoever wins right?
so why rake games to the point where they are unbeatable over any decent sample?
it doesnt affect me too much as i dont play here now, but it'd be sad to see games dry up here because people never get the bug at the micros.