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Ever since I read that, I've been trying to resist the urge to reply, because, above all, I wanted the (legit) Finalists NOT to have their big moment spoilt by all this controversy.
FWIW, I agree 100% with the highlighted part. There but for the grace of God go you, me, & so many others. We have all done daft things, every one of us.
The guy has to pay his bill now, & he deserves his ban. Personally, I'd make it 6 months, 12 months at the very max. IMO, he made a daft mistake, paid a huge bill in damage to his reputation, & that, along with a 6 or 12 month ban, is more than adequate punishment. IMO, of course, this is my personal view only.
Maybe I'm going soft in my old age, but I buy his story, & I think he genuinely regrets his actions.
Of course he was bang out of order, but we need to keep a sense of proportion.
Peace out, & all that.
One of the best promos sky has ran, and would be good to see something like this again.
The best promotion I've seen in the two years I've been here.
Respect to Tommyd for his post and to say most murderers don't serve life but I think Sky has no option but to do what they have done it has to send the message that any kind of cheating will not be tolerated and that serious consequences will apply to anyone caught doing so, still forever is a long time!
IMO this excellent promotion probably won't be repeated in this format which is a real shame as it was good fun trying to get impossibly high roi's!
If the promotion was repeated I think the following structure would make cheating less attractive.
30 games, best 36 roi's, final is an x2 shootout to the winners. So its easier to make the final AND its no guarantee of the cash, so the risk/reward ratio is less attractive.
But like you I do think his actions were out of character and he is genuine in his remorse but a permanent ban is the only option here, and for anyone who is caught multi accounting.
Ha!
Yeah, maybe you guys are right, & I'm just a big softie.
You guys never done a dumb thing on impulse once in your life? No? I don't believe you.
There is a monsta difference between impulsive, & pre-meditated.
I DO buy his remorse. He told a little fib to state with, it grew & grew, & he had to go with it.
Anyway, it matters not. I would bet a pound to a pinch of poo that Sky Poker have no plans to make it anything except a life ban. They certainly won't be concerned with my views, either, so you can all breathe easy. And for once, Sky Poker ain't gonna get heat for taking a tough line, in the face of all those who say they don't.
PS - Tough audience, you lot.
But I thought it, so I said it. It remains my personal view, but I can easily see why the concensus disagrees. I'm OK with that.
These things happen from time to time. Usually, they are dealt with under the radar, & nobody knows it has been sorted. This one came out on top, so there is an intensity to the whole thing, & half the world are on the Jury.
Anyway, lets move on, it's Friday evening, the weekend starts here.
Have a good weekend, all of you.
Peace & all that peacey stuff.
You are completely missing the psychology of the case, though. Think a little deeper.
In my personal view, after reading his "post", I don't believe it was pre-meditated, but once he started, it was hard to stop.
Remember the song?
It started with a kiss.....
You've got your wish, he's banned, presumably for life. Job done, move on.
Gonna sit on the fence regarding the length of ban, can see both sides points of view.
This fella could be back playing on sky tonight, fairly easily. (nobodies fault, it isn't sky specific, it happens everywhere)
I think all poker sites, but particularly Sky need to put a stronger message out there about the rules when it comes to things such as multi accounting/account sharing/colluding.
I started playing poker 6 yrs ago on a different site. I had 5 accounts with them, I had no idea this was against the rules.
When I first came to sky, I won a seat in a freeroll. I acknowledged the seat on here, and said I'd have to let my Dad play for me as I was away out and couldn't play.
I had no idea again that this was against the rules. Thankfully I was educated by PM before it happened.
How many people come on the forum and openly confess to stuff like this, not understanding that it's against the rules?
Time to get the message out there imo, plenty of ways to do it with the site having its own forum/tv show/twitter/facebook account. Make the penalties clear for all to see.
It's a debate, not an argument. Quite a difference!
People have different opinions, now't wrong with that, as long as the opposing views are expressed in a civil manner.
I deffo agree that its wrong to attack a man who can't defend himself though.
Anyway, the file is, presumably, closed.
I wish you well.
It's clear something needs doing, and quick.
Prob < 1% of people actually read that stuff.
It needs to stand out, it needs to be policed thoroughly all the time.
Who knows how many teams of colluders tried and failed to make the leaderboard of this promo.
Don't think this has been discussed yet and assume the answer is yes given what happened but does sky's software actually allow two players from the same location to play a SnG?
Also, plus 1 regarding something being done about multi accounting and educating people.
Regarding whether there was premeditation from this person, read this: Breaking The Rules??
In Response to Re: Skill & Go Final - Who will win? **WITH SKYBET ODDS**:He knew well in advance it was against the rules and had no problem with doing it when he could see an advantage.
For those suggesting that he was contrite when he realised he'd done wrong, read these posts from the first page of this thread:
In Response to Re: Skill & Go Final - Who will win? **WITH SKYBET ODDS**:
He was denying his wrongdoing right up to the moment he was caught out. He had every intention of stealing at least £300 from honest people. He's not an innocent man, he knew what he was doing was wrong and he kept it up for as long as he had something to gain from it. His "apology" only came when he had nothing to gain by maintaining his deception. Now he has something to gain by placating those who have uncovered the evidence of his crime, and now he's ever so sincere in his apology.
Let's have some sort of perspective on this "punishment" of a lifetime ban from Sky Bet (if it can actually prevent him from opening another account). If this sort of thing is not taken further than the individual poker site, what's to stop people doing exactly the same on another site? Absolutely nothing.
Incentive to cheat: A guaranteed shot at £1500
Disincentive to cheat: IF you're caught, you have to close down one online poker site and double-click on another.
If this man were, say, an accountant looking after your elderly relative's finances, wouldn't you like to be aware that he has tried to do this sort of thing? He knew what he was doing was wrong, yet he saw an opportunity and took it, trying to cheat people he now wishes to refer to as "friends". Would you trust him? Would you be happy if you were cheated by him in future, in some other walk of life, and discovered that he'd been found out before and nothing had been done?
The only way that poker as a whole can be protected from people cheating, as well as wider society, is if we are firm and unforgiving when we uncover this sort of thing.
Much is made of the Sky Poker Community. So what kind of community is it? It can either be a community that protects wrongdoers or it can be one that robustly protects honest people from those wrongdoers.
Sky Poker currently has evidence in its possession of an attempt to defraud it and its customers of thousands of pounds. Sky as a company, and you and I as individuals, are not the appropriate arbiters of whether this should result in a criminal case being brought. It may well be that the Police and CPS would not pursue this but that is not for us to decide. The only appropriate thing for Sky Poker to do is to pass their evidence on.
We all have our opinions on what should happen to this chap. The right thing is for the evidence to decide and the people who should investigate that evidence are the police.