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What should I do now?

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  • Jac35Jac35
    edited January 2017
    In Response to Re: What should I do now?:
    In Response to Re: What should I do now? : Only the better ones. The problem with the ultra cautious approach of some is that they appear to want to play with their cards effectively face up. That will make money up to (poss0 £5.50 DYMs. Then people get left with a really exploitable style at higher levels....
    Posted by Essexphil
    Shoving with AK isn't face up?
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  • chillingchilling
    edited January 2017
    Can i call the clock please.
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  • Phantom66Phantom66
    edited January 2017
    Mr Phil of Essex the question is set in the context of a soft 2.25 dym and I think we need to have that top of our minds when proposing action or dismissing action.

    I am now uber tight v loose recs at low BI dyms levels 1 to 3 especially out of position.

    I advocated a fold. I dont mind a call it may be technically better even given the still low risk and potential. I am probably swayed by my own experience where I thought I could adjust easily from 6 max to dym and found it took a lot longer and alot more changes than expected.

    The shove will not get through anywhere near as often as you think it would. If we expect calls from 77+ (I wouldnt be surprised by 22) then we should factor that in before shoving not curse our oppenets predictable mistake after the event.


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  • MP33MP33
    edited January 2017
    In a normal structured DYM its a fold for me based on the fact that its such a soft  field. Far to much time to take advantage of the other players and the longer you play them the more your gonna read their betting patterns and ranges and identify a better spot.

    Tommy D did say if someone calls you with 77 its their mistake, but in this game i,d expect a lot of mistakes and ceratainly don,t wanna be flipping in level 1. In a harder game i,d be calling tho

    So i would fold, watch and take notes 

    Ps What happened? 

    Pps - If your re-learning NLH DYM why not post some hands in the poker clinic. There used to be a few hands in there but it seems very qiuet these days - could get it going again



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  • EssexphilEssexphil
    edited January 2017
    In Response to Re: What should I do now?:
    Mr Phil of Essex the question is set in the context of a soft 2.25 dym and I think we need to have that top of our minds when proposing action or dismissing action. I am now uber tight v loose recs at low BI dyms levels 1 to 3 especially out of position. I advocated a fold. I dont mind a call it may be technically better even given the still low risk and potential.
    Posted by Phantom66
    This is the key question. is the aim to play at a £2.25 level, or higher? At this level it is probably a call (which is why I only referred to folding being (imo) bad earlier, whereas at higher levels i feel it is a shove. That said, I last played a DYM as low as £2.25 in about 2006. Anyway, poker is always open to lot of different styles
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  • day4eire76day4eire76
    edited January 2017
    I've read all responses so far and I'm surprised to say the least at some .


    Folding = never ever folding here . ICM

    3 betting at this level achieves nothing

    Jamming get you in a flip situation where you have an edge o on the field so why do it . Can't win a dym level 1  but can lose it punting off.

    Calling best option in my opinion.  discipline is key we go from flop losing no more than 60 from our stack when we can flop the world.


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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr
    edited January 2017
    Still amazed anyone would say folding is the best line.

    Phantom, I know we've discussed this away from here but I can't agree with you, nor indeed with anyone who says fold. I also don't believe for one minute that anyone actually folds this pre in game.
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  • gerardirlgerardirl
    edited January 2017
    In Response to Re: What should I do now?:
    Still amazed anyone would say folding is the best line. Phantom, I know we've discussed this away from here but I can't agree with you, nor indeed with anyone who says fold. I also don't believe for one minute that anyone actually folds this pre in game.
    Posted by hhyftrftdr
    I'm amazed your amazed 
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr
    edited January 2017
    In Response to Re: What should I do now?:
    In Response to Re: What should I do now? : I'm amazed your amazed 
    Posted by gerardirl

    You fold here 100% of the time?
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  • HENDRIK62HENDRIK62
    edited January 2017
    In Response to Re: What should I do now?:
    Still amazed anyone would say folding is the best line. Phantom, I know we've discussed this away from here but I can't agree with you, nor indeed with anyone who says fold. I also don't believe for one minute that anyone actually folds this pre in game.
    Posted by hhyftrftdr
    The Beatles, Jerry and The Pacemakers, The Las, Echo and The Bunnymen, The zutons and many more all have one thing in common......

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  • gerardirlgerardirl
    edited January 2017
    In Response to Re: What should I do now?:
    In Response to Re: What should I do now? : You fold here 100% of the time?
    Posted by hhyftrftdr
    At level 1 I do yes
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr
    edited January 2017
    In Response to Re: What should I do now?:
    In Response to Re: What should I do now? : At level 1 I do yes
    Posted by gerardirl

    Then I think you're making a mistake (and also maybe not being truthful)

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  • Jac35Jac35
    edited January 2017
    For the players who fold pre
    What hands do we actually play in dyms?
    In this hand we have had a single raise, from a serial raiser, and the rest have called.
    We're hardly in 5bet territory 
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  • gerardirlgerardirl
    edited January 2017
    With five callers Id shove with jj or better here and fold the rest. Like to hear from Mayhem or wardstar though as they are better at holdem dyms.

    Ger
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr
    edited January 2017
    In Response to Re: What should I do now?:
    With five callers Id shove with jj or better here and fold the rest. Like to hear from Mayhem or wardstar though as they are better at holdem dyms. Ger
    Posted by gerardirl

    You already have heard from Mayhem and at no point does he say fold pre.
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  • chillingchilling
    edited January 2017
    In Response to Re: What should I do now?:
    In Response to Re: What should I do now? : Then I think you're making a mistake (and also maybe not being truthful)
    Posted by hhyftrftdr
    ger is often squeaky tight.
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  • gerardirlgerardirl
    edited January 2017
    Im aware we heard from Mayhem but I'd be interested to hear what hands he would play.
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr
    edited January 2017
    In Response to Re: What should I do now?:
    Im aware we heard from Mayhem but I'd be interested to hear what hands he would play.
    Posted by gerardirl

    Well if you're not at least calling AKs then you're folding 99% of hands no?
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  • bbMikebbMike
    edited January 2017
    Make it 400 and fold to shove.
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  • stuarty117stuarty117
    edited January 2017
    The thing is this is why dyms are so good

    All options are playable 

    A shove is ok maybe not the best strategy

    A call is ok

    A fold is ok

    Even a reraise is ok but prob the worst option imo


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  • Lambert180Lambert180
    edited January 2017
    It's definitely bizarre to not have a calling range here at all imo. I'm slightly leaning towards jamming but I think peeling is not much worse and is miles better than folding. 

    Madness imo to not setmine with all PPs at least. If we peel pre, then check/fold when we miss and now have 1900 it really has vvv little impact on our EV/ROI for the game, even more so if we reckon the game is vv soft like TK said.
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  • bbMikebbMike
    edited January 2017
    There is a calling range, but doesn't have to include AK. All pocket pairs should call here closing the action and loads of other combo hands.
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr
    edited January 2017
    Woulda thought there was a good argument to call almost any 2 here, let alone a hand as strong as AKs.
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  • Lambert180Lambert180
    edited January 2017
    In Response to Re: What should I do now?:
    There is a calling range, but doesn't have to include AK. All pocket pairs should call here closing the action and loads of other combo hands.
    Posted by bbMike
    Yeah I was just replying to the person who said they jam JJ+ and fold everything else. Given it's 4BBs out of a stack of 100BB and as you say we're closing the action and know we'll have great implied odds multi-way against people TK thinks are weaker opponents there's lots we shold peel here
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  • bbMikebbMike
    edited January 2017
    In Response to Re: What should I do now?:
    In Response to Re: What should I do now? : Yeah I was just replying to the person who said they jam JJ+ and fold everything else. Given it's 4BBs out of a stack of 100BB and as you say we're closing the action and know we'll have great implied odds multi-way against people TK thinks are weaker opponents there's lots we shold peel here
    Posted by Lambert180
    Yeah fair enough, cross posting making things confused for me!

    Just think it's worth saying that just because we think one hand should peel, doesn't mean we therefore think all hands better pre should also at least peel. E.g. might decide to peel T9s and fold A9o.
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  • MattBatesMattBates
    edited January 2017
    In Response to Re: What should I do now?:
    There is a calling range, but doesn't have to include AK. All pocket pairs should call here closing the action and loads of other combo hands.
    Posted by bbMike
    So you are calling combo hands but not AK suited?

    I am really struggling to understand this great edge we have if we are unable to play AK suited multi way.
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  • jdsallstarjdsallstar
    edited January 2017
    Thing to also consider, if this is the action in level one chances are there will be similar action throughout so if we had AKs later on and we get a limper we reraise we could end up with four callers anyway. 

    So unless are plan is to sit and wait for aces or try to fold our way to the money completely we're going to have to get our hands dirty at some stage and AKs sounds like a pretty decent place to start.
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  • gerardirlgerardirl
    edited January 2017
    I guess its the struggle to understand why its a fold, that seperates the 60%+ win rate dymers from the others.
    I thought it was pretty easy to understand but I guess we have a lot of top mtts players that dont see it.

    Ger
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr
    edited January 2017
    In Response to Re: What should I do now?:
    I guess its the struggle to understand why its a fold, that seperates the 60%+ win rate dymers from the others. I thought it was pretty easy to understand but I guess we have a lot of top mtts players that dont see it. Ger
    Posted by gerardirl

    It's an additional 80 chips from a 2k stack, with a double nut maker. It's hardly a make or break DYM hand.

    As above, there is probably an argument to call almost any 2 in this spot so AKs is at the very least a peel.

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  • Jac35Jac35
    edited January 2017
    In Response to Re: What should I do now?:
    I guess its the struggle to understand why its a fold, that seperates the 60%+ win rate dymers from the others. I thought it was pretty easy to understand but I guess we have a lot of top mtts players that dont see it. Ger
    Posted by gerardirl
    Don't understand this post at all.
    Can you tell me who the 60% players are over a proper sample, i don't know any, as that might help a bit?
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