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What should I do now?

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  • jdsallstarjdsallstar
    edited January 2017
    There's also been quite a few with +60% win rates at £2 dyms who have said they wouldnt dream of folding.
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  • bbMikebbMike
    edited January 2017
    In Response to Re: What should I do now?:
    In Response to Re: What should I do now? : So you are calling combo hands but not AK suited? I am really struggling to understand this great edge we have if we are unable to play AK suited multi way.
    Posted by MattBates
    Yep, think I opt to raise here. You won't have a great edge if you're always going 5 to the flop in a bloated pot with little idea where you are OOP.
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  • gerardirlgerardirl
    edited January 2017
    Sorry Jac I didnt renew my sharkscope so cant check mate.

    What would you do Jac, you've a very high win rate in holdem dyms.

    Ger
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr
    edited January 2017
    In Response to Re: What should I do now?:
    Sorry Jac I didnt renew my sharkscope so cant check mate. What would you do Jac, you've a very high win rate in holdem dyms. Ger
    Posted by gerardirl

    He wouldn't fold, I can guarantee that ;)
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  • MattBatesMattBates
    edited January 2017
    In Response to Re: What should I do now?:
    I guess its the struggle to understand why its a fold, that seperates the 60%+ win rate dymers from the others. I thought it was pretty easy to understand but I guess we have a lot of top mtts players that dont see it. Ger
    Posted by gerardirl
    Go on I will bite. Please can you explain why we don't want to go multi way with a nut making hand when we close the action?
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  • gerardirlgerardirl
    edited January 2017
    Really wow with five in the hand, not smarter to be patient, let some of them take each other out and then play your ak v 1 player instead of 5 hhy?
    As for playing any 2 cards, well try that and let me know how you get on? 

    Fascinating thread.
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr
    edited January 2017
    In Response to Re: What should I do now?:
    Really wow with five in the hand, not smarter to be patient, let some of them take each other out and then play your ak v 1 player instead of 5 hhy? As for playing any 2 cards, well try that and let me know how you get on?  Fascinating thread.
    Posted by gerardirl

    Is there any guarantee they will ''take each other out''? It's 80 chips from 2000 with a double nut making hand, I feel the need to reiterate.

    Looks a pretty obvious spot to at the very least peel any2 and go from there.
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  • gerardirlgerardirl
    edited January 2017
    In Response to Re: What should I do now?:
    In Response to Re: What should I do now? : Go on I will bite. Please can you explain why we don't want to go multi way with a nut making hand when we close the action?
    Posted by MattBates
    Because often in a poor standard dym Matt you can let the field drop to 4 players without having to get involved early on. What Im not liking here is that you have 5 in the hand and it is very likely you will have spots to take on one player with a good hand instead of 5 players.
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr
    edited January 2017
    In Response to Re: What should I do now?:
    In Response to Re: What should I do now? : Because often in a poor standard dym Matt you can let the field drop to 4 players without having to get involved early on. What Im not liking here is that you have 5 in the hand and it is very likely you will have spots to take on one player with a good hand instead of 5 players.
    Posted by gerardirl

    It's 80 chips from 2000.

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  • gerardirlgerardirl
    edited January 2017
    What would you do hhy?and what are your calling ranges here and shoving ranges.

    Ger
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr
    edited January 2017
    In Response to Re: What should I do now?:
    What would you do hhy?and what are your calling ranges here and shoving ranges. Ger
    Posted by gerardirl

    I think I've already said further back but whatever.

    Think anything other than folding is fine. Folding looks a disaster and a big mistake but peeling, 3betting and shoving all have their individual merits. I don't believe anyone actually folds pre in game and if you do then maybe poker isn't the game for that individual.

    Should be calling pretty much any 2 in this spot I think. Just because you've put 100 chips in pre doesn't mean you have to commit any more post flop.
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  • gerardirlgerardirl
    edited January 2017
    In Response to Re: What should I do now?:
    In Response to Re: What should I do now? : I think I've already said further back but whatever. Think anything other than folding is fine. Folding looks a disaster and a big mistake but peeling, 3betting and shoving all have their individual merits. I don't believe anyone actually folds pre in game and if you do then maybe poker isn't the game for that individual. Should be calling pretty much any 2 in this spot I think. Just because you've put 100 chips in pre doesn't mean you have to commit any more post flop.
    Posted by hhyftrftdr
    Very good, I dont think losing 20 chips is a disaster mind. Thanks for your opinion though.

    Ger
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  • Lambert180Lambert180
    edited January 2017
    In Response to Re: What should I do now?:
    In Response to Re: What should I do now? : Very good, I dont think losing 20 chips is a disaster mind. Thanks for your opinion though. Ger
    Posted by gerardirl
    Tbf you could argue that folding AA here is 'only losing 20 chips' so don't worry about it :p
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr
    edited January 2017
    In Response to Re: What should I do now?:
    In Response to Re: What should I do now? : Very good, I dont think losing 20 chips is a disaster mind. Thanks for your opinion though. Ger
    Posted by gerardirl

    As above.
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  • gerardirlgerardirl
    edited January 2017
    Good point L ;)
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  • Lambert180Lambert180
    edited January 2017
    Vwp btw Tikay for creating a strat topic that's resulted in probably 80+ more comments than any strat thread on here in the last 12 months. I haven't been around for a while but from memory the clinic has been vv dead for years, so it's good to see a good debate... and without too much fighting ;)
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  • gerardirlgerardirl
    edited January 2017
    Without too much fighting lol, its like who will tilt first lol

    Poor chilling still doesnt know the outcome :(


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  • VespaPXVespaPX
    edited January 2017
    In Response to Re: What should I do now?:
    Without too much fighting lol, its like who will tilt first lol Poor chilling still doesnt know the outcome :(
    Posted by gerardirl
    Lol
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  • MattBatesMattBates
    edited January 2017
    In Response to Re: What should I do now?:
    Vwp btw Tikay for creating a strat topic that's resulted in probably 80+ more comments than any strat thread on here in the last 12 months. I haven't been around for a while but from memory the clinic has been vv dead for years, so it's good to see a good debate... and without too much fighting ;)
    Posted by Lambert180
    shut up Lambo
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  • Mayhem357Mayhem357
    edited January 2017
    By the way as I didn't answer I feel this is a call all day long, 3 betting at this buy in level is pretty ineffective as too many callers come along with wide holdings and if you miss the flop you are folding too often.   Ideal strategy is call and value bet the flop if you connect. Of course you have to be willing to throw your hand away on the flop if you don't connect.

    I agree with Essex Phil about playing hands face up but at these stakes you are playing so many recreational players who have a very basic grasp of the game it doesn't matter.



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  • gerardirlgerardirl
    edited January 2017
    In Response to Re: What should I do now?:
    By the way as I didn't answer I feel this is a call all day long, 3 betting at this buy in level is pretty ineffective as too many callers come along with wide holdings and if you miss the flop you are folding too often.   Ideal strategy is call and value bet the flop if you connect. Of course you have to be willing to throw your hand away on the flop if you don't connect. I agree with Essex Phil about playing hands face up but at these stakes you are playing so many recreational players who have a very basic grasp of the game it doesn't matter.
    Posted by Mayhem357
    Well that settles that then, thanks Mark

    Happy to close it now chilling?

    Ger
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr
    edited January 2017
    In Response to Re: What should I do now?:
    In Response to Re: What should I do now? : Well that settles that then, thanks Mark Happy to close it now chilling? Ger
    Posted by gerardirl

    But us MTT players saying call don't understand?
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  • gerardirlgerardirl
    edited January 2017
    In Response to Re: What should I do now?:
    In Response to Re: What should I do now? : But us MTT players saying call don't understand?
    Posted by hhyftrftdr
    Yep
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr
    edited January 2017
    In Response to Re: What should I do now?:
    In Response to Re: What should I do now? : Yep
    Posted by gerardirl

    But DYM regs call and understand?
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  • gerardirlgerardirl
    edited January 2017
    In Response to Re: What should I do now?:
    In Response to Re: What should I do now? : But DYM regs call and understand?
    Posted by hhyftrftdr
    Now your getting it sir :)
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr
    edited January 2017
    In Response to Re: What should I do now?:
    In Response to Re: What should I do now? : Now your getting it sir :)
    Posted by gerardirl

    Guessing you're being sarcastic otherwise you look more than a bit of a clown.
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  • gerardirlgerardirl
    edited January 2017
    In Response to Re: What should I do now?:
    In Response to Re: What should I do now? : Guessing you're being sarcastic otherwise you look more than a bit of a clown.
    Posted by hhyftrftdr
    Hat trick for hhy ;)
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  • WhizzewkyWhizzewky
    edited January 2017
    Intersting set of answers..all correct imo apart from shoving.A great man once told me..'let the players fight it out and don't get involved until you have to. This leads me to believe tikay folded pre...would love the answer to be ..tk folds,post flop at least 4 all ins..tk cashes 1980 chips:)

    WHIZZZZZY


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  • WhizzewkyWhizzewky
    edited January 2017
    In Response to Re: What should I do now?:
    No I believe Tikay shoved and was called by a5, he got lucky and won lol. Ger
    Posted by gerardirl
    If tk shoved i'll eat my laptop:)

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  • RLT16RLT16
    edited January 2017
    In Response to Re: What should I do now?:
    In Response to Re: What should I do now? : If tk shoved i'll eat my laptop:)
    Posted by Whizzewky
    Get chewing :) 
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