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Cash players... please resolve this argument for me:

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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3
    edited February 2010
    btw... what ever happened to 4th time lucky??
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  • webby234webby234
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me::
    In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me: : if you are gonna be playing for £1k then obvs that is within your BRM so it would be just an easy call as if it were for £10. webby you are so wrong....look at some of the names who have posted call and then look at the games they play.  these aren't guys who mess around on DYMs.
    Posted by scotty77
    scotty i dont care if the higher stakes players do say its a call, this is not a call in a million years of playing poker,he has invested 4 pence into the pot, he is over 200 big blinds deep in a cash game and you think that him calling with AJ is the best chance he is going to get to get his money?

    blackfish has already stated that this bloke was doing this consistently, so why oh why would you call him with AJ, why not wait a few more hands untill you know you are going to be a 70% favourite at least? the bloke had done the same move with KK so to assume he has a bad hand is just laughable, now we can see the cards yes it was a bad hand, but that could so easily have been qq or jj rather than k3 or k4!!!!
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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3
    edited February 2010
    do you not read my posts webby? he shoved 40% of his hands since sitting down... i am over 60% favourite... im very concerned someone else will take him out so i will take any chance i get to get my entire stack in ahead of his range. Its completely irrelevant how much ive invested. Thats like saying... fold QQ here because he might have KK again and ive only invested 4p... jeeez, i thought you were a good player so you should understand this... although you did say you didn't play cash.
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  • webby234webby234
    edited February 2010

    blackfish he could have had qq or jj and you would be in very bad shape, better ways to take his money it really is that simple against players like him, you will never justify this call to me so its pointless trying to

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  • cottladcottlad
    edited February 2010
    I wouldn't bother arguing.
    Webby is looking at the situation through SNG goggles and also worried about losing a big pot..... rather than looking through cash goggles and happy to get into, and more often than not win a big pot.
    It's fine saying he could have AA/KK/AK etc but he also could have JT/A9/K4 etc..... when compare what he could have to what you have you are />60% favourite....... webby can't grasp this and i dare guess he doesn't play much cash......  i'll go even further and guess he plays a lot of DYM sng's?????
    Anyways, can you close this thread....... people insisting this is a fold is tilting me so hard lol :D
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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3
    edited February 2010
    i assume you fold all but AA then? just because he might have AA? wow you must be paranoid. With your reasoning you would probably fold everything if shoved on until you have the nuts on the river... in the mean time other people have called with big aces and he now has 1p left for you when you call his shove with the nuts.

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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me::
    I wouldn't bother arguing. Webby is looking at the situation through SNG goggles and also worried about losing a big pot..... rather than looking through cash goggles and happy to get into, and more often than not win a big pot. It's fine saying he could have AA/KK/AK etc but he also could have JT/A9/K4 etc..... when compare what he could have to what you have you are />60% favourite....... webby can't grasp this and i dare guess he doesn't play much cash......  i'll go even further and guess he plays a lot of DYM sng's????? Anyways, can you close this thread....... people insisting this is a fold is tilting me so hard lol :D
    Posted by cottlad
    oit nothing wrong with playing dyms lol! haha forum tilt...
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  • scotty77scotty77
    edited February 2010
    this thread proves why cash players own SnG/MTT players so hard, no matter what format they're playing
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  • donkeyplopdonkeyplop
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me::
    this thread proves why cash players own SnG/MTT players so hard, no matter what format they're playing
    Posted by scotty77

    i think ben nutter would disagree with that!!
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  • scotty77scotty77
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me::
    In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me: : i think ben nutter would disagree with that!!
    Posted by donkeyplop
    Mr Nutter plays more than his fair share of cash poker :)
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  • beanehbeaneh
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me::
    Anyways, can you close this thread....... people insisting this is a fold is tilting me so hard lol :D
    Posted by cottlad

    This.
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  • cottladcottlad
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me::
    In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me: : oit nothing wrong with playing dyms lol! haha forum tilt...
    Posted by BlackFish3
     hehe i never meant to suggest there was...... just a different mentality needed when playing dym's as opposed to cash
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  • dantb10dantb10
    edited February 2010
    Benjamin is a fish ;)
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  • webby234webby234
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me::
    this thread proves why cash players own SnG/MTT players so hard, no matter what format they're playing
    Posted by scotty77
    if cash players played DYM they would get seriously owned, you have made it crystal clear you cant get rid of ace jack lol

    i suppose it depends what format you played at, just remember cash players you cant reload on a DYM so chuck those rag aces and suited connecters straight down the toilet
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  • big_mick12big_mick12
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me::
    In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me: : if you are gonna be playing for £1k then obvs that is within your BRM so it would be just an easy call as if it were for £10. webby you are so wrong....look at some of the names who have posted call and then look at the games they play.  these aren't guys who mess around on DYMs.
    Posted by scotty77

    Big LOL, this is a call all day long if you dont your giving away sooo much equity in your poker lifetime just waiting for the nuts, even the nuts can loose/ AA would have lost to the K4 in that spot.

    Get your money in

    DYM is a P**** game, cash is the real poker, No pro plays DYM
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  • Kenny_CKenny_C
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me::
    In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me: : lol he sat out after this... i didnt play anymore poker for the rest of the night... i was glad it was me with the 60% chance of a big pot and no one else though. Im sure he wont be the only maniac i might so hopefully next time ill just take them out. The important thing is i learnt the sort of calling range i should have when playing against players that shove like 30%-40% of their range... its basically big aces... like A9s+ ATo+ and mid PP, i think it was like 77+ roughly.
    Posted by BlackFish3
    LOL - hit & run - that's quality!!
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  • BrownnDogBrownnDog
    edited February 2010
    http://www.youtube.com/user/IBetUnow#p/u/219/65RurSt6ZmE
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  • webby234webby234
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me::
    In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me: : Big LOL, this is a call all day long if you dont your giving away sooo much equity in your poker lifetime just waiting for the nuts, even the nuts can loose/ AA would have lost to the K4 in that spot. Get your money in DYM is a P**** game, cash is the real poker, No pro plays DYM
    Posted by big_mick12
    only fools support wolves whats your point?
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  • scotty77scotty77
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me::
    In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me: : if cash players played DYM they would get seriously owned, you have made it crystal clear you cant get rid of ace jack lol i suppose it depends what format you played at, just remember cash players you cant reload on a DYM so chuck those rag aces and suited connecters straight down the toilet
    Posted by webby234
    yes a cash player will find it impossible to adapt to DYMs, the easiest form of poker to learn.
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  • big_mick12big_mick12
    edited February 2010
    Read the post above...........what is yours? isnt this a poker forum whats wolves got to do with it? Couldnt you think of a good response?


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  • loonytoonsloonytoons
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me::
    good grief..... can all those that say its a fold please back up their statement with some content.....  I fear you are passing on terrible advice.  To say you only have ace high... or you could be crushed is just plain silly.  This is cash remember, not early position on a big MTT final table lol
    Posted by cottlad
    its a fold
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  • BrownnDogBrownnDog
    edited February 2010
    I find it quite shocking when the top players on sky bother to respond to peoples questions and give them advice only to have that advice thrown back in their face. You have people here giving out free and valuable advice to people  further lower down the poker learning curve and they are simply saying "no thanks you are not right". It is quite shocking. 


    This is is simply a call. It is a matter of fact. It is not correct to fold. Folding is EV- in the long term. It is mathematically correct to call in the long term. You are wrong and need to learn. Is that simple enough?
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  • TRIP5TRIP5
    edited February 2010
    Sorry, this guy has sucked out on you every time you called already...does it matter what his hand is? Unless you have a high pair against him or your money is in first it is an easy fold for me...I'll leave with my 200 BB intact and tiltless thankyou!

    Viva la bank roll

    And just for Cotty...FOLD, FOLD, FOLD, FOLD, FOLD, FOLD...lol

    x
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  • scotty77scotty77
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me::
    I find it quite shocking when the top players on sky bother to respond to peoples questions and give them advice only to have that advice thrown back in their face. You have people here giving out free and valuable advice to people  further lower down the poker learning curve and they are simply saying "no thanks you are not right". It is quite shocking.  This is is simply a call. It is a matter of fact. It is not correct to fold. Folding is EV- in the long term. It is mathematically correct to call in the long term. You are wrong and need to learn. Is that simple enough?
    Posted by BrownnDog
    spot on BD.  not often you see so many of the higher stakes regs all in one thread and all agreeing too.

    but meh 5.50DYMs players >>>>>>>>>>> 100nl/200nl players who do so for a living.
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  • big_mick12big_mick12
    edited February 2010
    Dantb, browndogg ans sparce said call all tpers.............. I wonder why
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  • TRIP5TRIP5
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me::
    In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me: : spot on BD.  not often you see so many of the higher stakes regs all in one thread and all agreeing too. but meh 5.50DYMs players /> /> /> />>>>>>>> 100nl/200nl players who do so for a living.
    Posted by scotty77
    A difference of OPINION makes the world a more interesting place...as i said WITH MY MONEY i fold...not advice, just my opinion...

    Good to see the cash rich TP's agreeing against the minnows though but I'm with Webby on this one!! might be -ev in the long term but in this instance with these circumstances and this player (all apparent considerations over and above the cards) I'll keep my 200bb for a better spot!

    x
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  • webby234webby234
    edited February 2010
    just cos they play higher stakes does not make their opinion any better than anybody else's stop licking azz just cos they play 100/200 nl, some proper donks play those stakes as well you know!!!!

    you can say its a call all day if you want guys but IMO it is a 100% fold till i lay dead on my deathbed!!!

    browndog you may have more money and play higher stakes but that doesnt give you the right to think you are better than the rest of us.

    scotty what as it got to do with what stakes you play at?
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  • BrownnDogBrownnDog
    edited February 2010
    You will have to forgive me. I have read and re-read my post several times and have failed to find the part where I apparently state that "I think I am better than the rest of you". I am not arrogant or egotistical. I am simply stating that what you are saying is theoretically, mathematically and fundamentally flawed. If you are going to simply disregard every piece of advise that you are given during your poker career and without backing up your own assertions then you will simply never improve as poker player. I used to say some thing that I would now consider pretty dumb in online poker forums, but I read the replies, took the advice on board and improved my game. I suggest you consider doing the same.




    All the best 



    Browndog
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  • cottladcottlad
    edited February 2010
    OK this is my final post on this subject...... it's just for Webby...... I don't know how to simplify it more......


    You have £1000 you use for poker/gambling
    One day yr walking past the greengrocers and he shouts you over
    Lined up on a table he has 6 red and 4 green apples and 10 buckets 
    He says you can have 100 goes at picking one of the 6 red apples from underneath a bucket for £5 per go and for each correct guess he will give you another £5.
    You think for a while and do the maths.......

    100 x £5 = £500 cost
    You will guess correctly on average 6 times out of 10 or 60 times out of 100.
    Your expectation is therefore 60 x £10 minus yr stake = £100 profit.

    Do you accept the greengrocers offer?

    Oh and just as an addition....... our expectation in the hand in question is greater than 6/10 for every go.....


    Your move?
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  • dantb10dantb10
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me::
    OK this is my final post on this subject...... it's just for Webby...... I don't know how to simplify it more...... You have £1000 you use for poker/gambling One day yr walking past the greengrocers and he shouts you over Lined up on a table he has 6 red and 4 green apples and 10 buckets  He says you can have 100 goes at picking one of the 6 red apples from underneath a bucket for £5 per go and for each correct guess he will give you another £5. You think for a while and do the maths....... 100 x £5 = £500 cost You will guess correctly on average 6 times out of 10 or 60 times out of 100. Your expectation is therefore 60 x £10 minus yr stake = £100 profit. Do you accept the greengrocers offer? Oh and just as an addition....... our expectation in the hand in question is greater than 6/10 for every go..... Your move?
    Posted by cottlad
    Does it have to be apples?

    im not a fan.
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