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Thanks for the support in the main event tonight, Geldy, kept me on the straight and narrow...
Cheers
Matt
really difficult to explain succinctly, but here goes.
NASH describes optimal - ie inexploitable - play. your opponent can do no better than play NASH against you when you adopt it. optimal and exploitable are strange terms so look at this game:
we are HU with 10bb.
the SB can only SHOVE or FOLD.
the BB can only CALL or FOLD in response.
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the SB decides to push pocket pairs and KQ and AK
the BB can exploit that by calling only 99+
the SB can then exploit that tight calling range by bluffing a TONNE
the BB will then be incentivised to exploit all that junk by calling lighter.
now these exploitative iterations can continue back and forth but summat special happens when the SB adopts the following shoving range:
22+,A2+,K2+,Q2s+,Q8o+,J3s+,J8o+,T4s+,T8o+,95s+,97o+,84s+,87o,74s+,76o,64s+,53s+ 57% of hands.
now all the BB can do is call with the following range:
22+,A2+,K2s+,K5o+,Q7s+,Q9o+,J8s+,JTo,T9s - 37% of hands
if the BB calls tighter or lighter he loses in EV
however the SBs best response to the new calling range is to continue to shove 57% of hands.
both players are stuck in a situatuion where they will only do worse by changing strategy. this is the fabled equlibrium of poker.
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NASH SHOVE/FOLD charts, then are charts that give you a range of hands for every stack depth that when shoved mean that your opponent can do no better against that range than call the corresponding NASH CALL / FOLD range: if you play NASH no opponent, no matter how godlike, can exploit you.
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caveat time!
this does not guarentee you will win. NASH is inexploitable at ALL stack depths, but it is a -EV proposition for the small blind deeper than 6bbs. if you shove NASH at 15bb and your oppo calls NASH then they will have a small edge. if they dont call NASH then that edge will lessen and may even dissappear.
NASH also assumes that SHOVE or FOLD are your only options. in reality you can raise or limp.
for example even limping AA is likely to do much better than shoving at most stack depths.
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when should you use NASH:
NASH becomes +EV for the SB around 6bbs. if you SHOVE nash at these depths no strategy can be adopted by your opponent to beat you long term.
it is a great default option against oppos who are better than you, or whose strategy and tendencies you cannot work our how to beat. adopt NASH around 10-12bb v these players andthey can ONLY do as well as adopting NASH v you. you CANNOT be exploited no matter how phil ivey-like they are.
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dont auto call NASH, NASH calls for some light calls:
T9s at 11bb
Q4s at 9bb
T9o at 8bb
85s at 5bb
if you think your oppo is never shoving as light as NASH then you can do better by tighening up you calling
note that if you think that your oppopent is never calling Q4s at 9bb or 85s at 5bb then you can jam WIDER than NASH even 100% v some people. ive seen people fold from a 1.5bb stack!!!
if you think your opponent is shoving NASH or wider then adopt the NASH calling range, you will win long term deeper than 6bb.
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summary
shove NASH 6bb and below.
as stacks approach 6bb from around 13bb so your strat should start to appoximate NASH more.
use it 8-12bb against opponents that are beating you / you cant work out how to beat [you will be impossible to exploit doing this]
NASH is a small losing proposition for the SB deeper than 6bb and it gets worse the deeper you go.
only call NASH against people shoving wide.
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google the charts.
they are hard to get to grips with.
pocket pairs appear diagonally, unsuited hands below the diagonal on the left; suited hands above the diagonal on the right. the numbers in the boxes represent the maximum stack depth that the hand appears in the NASH range.
any questions ill be happy to help with
steelrod05£17.57
got into a rhythm and was swatting bluffs away with king high, and Q high:
this opponent had really owned me in a short spell earlier in the night. i was able to work out what he was doing when he came back a bit later on, and but for a few suck outs i'd have won more. but still finished well up on him. nice to be able to snap Q high with certainty.
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played
36 hypers, won 27, lost 19
5 turbos, won 3, lost 2
£18.60 profit.
clawed back yesterdays losses
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15 x £3 hypers
85 x £2 turbos
20 x £2 standards
and
£34.71
to go
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will need to run very hot to get close to my cash target, and will prob miss volume targets. but no point in setting easy goals, innit. will be giving it my best shot.
run well guys
disappointed did not get more. did not have the cards at the right time
55pound bounty hunter 9pm
eight1993227620 £168.75 Head Prizes8£81.25williwont143127 £263.63 Head Prizes7£112.85AKAscotty77253 £125.39 Head Prizes5£66.79daiw04£236.60 + £86.72 Head Prizes3
im glad I got knocked out with the worst hand b4 flops cos last 2 week I bn going in with the best hand by far and just falling unlucky.
I had ak in the main and qk knocked me out so thought I had another night of it. gl everyone speak soon
Didnt play any tournys until about 1am lol
2nd in the 200gtd for £61 and really enjoyed it.
TX for the rail trev mate and the great banter, was playing on the laptop in bed at the time and kept waking the wife up laughing
GL all and bring on the ORFY
Welcome to Team Poker Titans
Nice to see Geldy has kept you on the straight & narrow, but can I ask you something.....................
I've heared of a "straight" in poker........but whats a "narrow"?
Best of Luck & welcome
Nice cashes everyone.
Not playing as much as I would like at the mo due to work commitments and being pretty knackered by the time I get home, but this mini rest from poker every night may do my game a world of good too, so it's not all bad
Will see you all in the Friday Orfordable Tonight
Best of Luck
Well Done Jonny mate great cash and even better roi
Looking forward to a crack at the main event tonight. Will try and last beyond the first break, unlike yesterday.
Matt
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