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Rancid and his Roll 2011 - (Diary of a losing recreational player making good)

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  • edited December 2011

    im just a rec player myself, have no idea what bankroll management is? where could i read up on such things. also what is the 5% rule?

  • edited January 2012
    Happy New Year, time for a bit of reflection (feeling a bit emotional!)

    Start of the new year and on reflection the past 7 months since I stared to actually make an effort with my game with depositing £80 on the 18th June 2011 and incorporating BRM is starting to show how important solid BRM is for any player at any level and what a differance it can make.
    I am not an amzing player, but anyone with a solid BRM and a solid strategy for NL4 or/and £1 DYM's can make money for the pub or whataver )
    Variance killed me at times over the last 7 months, and you do start to question it all, but over the long term you can see the theory of "it's rigged" is all BS.
    I have been on really bad runs where no matter what hand I have, I just can't win.
    Then all of a sudden you just keep on winning!

    I have been studying the game a lot and has really helped me plug leaks and look at the game from another perpespective. I suppose the most important thing I have learned is controlled aggression. We are constantly being told that you have to be aggressive to get anywhere and yes this is true but you need some control and all out aggression just ends up as mistakes and spew !

    I started playing NL4 and have moved up to NL8/10 and am now playing £2-3 DYM and with a DYM BR of £90ish I am looking to get to and stay and grind £5 level. Still playing the mini events but will probably move up to the £250 GTD and maybe some £11 BH.

    As for aims, just want to keep on improving my all round game and move up the cash levels and manage some nice MTT finishes. Would also like this year to attend an SPT event and also see if I can sat into a big event and TID )



    Main BR
    Last Deposit 18/6/2011 £80
    Roll at start of this dairy 17/11/2011 £437   


    Current roll 1/1/2012 £601 C4P 18

  • edited January 2012
    Played some more DYM and had a nice kick up the backside in NL8 cash

    DYM were going great then lost the last four SIGH !
    But at least I ain't doing anything wrong and it was just a few prs v overpairs

    DYM £ PLAYED MONEY IN CASHED OUT DIFF LOST     win perc
    1.15 80 £92.00 53 £106.00 £14.00 27     66.25%
    2.25 122 £274.50 77 £308.00 £33.50 45     63.11%
    3.3 51 £168.30 30 £180.00 £11.70 21     58.82%
                       
                       
                       
    Total 253 £534.80 160 £594.00 £59.20 93     63.24%
                       
                  Start DYM BR Current DYM BR  
                  £25.00 £84.20  


    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    rich-a-64 Small blind   £0.04 £0.04 £7.68
    rancid Big blind   £0.08 £0.12 £25.44
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • A
         
    rossatron8 Call   £0.08 £0.20 £9.67
    JAMRACCON Fold        
    Teevers Fold        
    tonbino01 Raise   £0.40 £0.60 £11.19
    rich-a-64 Call   £0.36 £0.96 £7.32
    rancid Raise   £1.60 £2.56 £23.84
    rossatron8 Call   £1.60 £4.16 £8.07
    tonbino01 Call   £1.28 £5.44 £9.91
    rich-a-64 Call   £1.28 £6.72 £6.04
    Flop
       
    • 7
    • 10
    • Q
         
    rich-a-64 Fold        
    rancid All-in   £23.84 £30.56 £0.00
    rossatron8 All-in   £8.07 £38.63 £0.00
    tonbino01 All-in   £9.91 £48.54 £0.00
    rancid Unmatched bet   £13.93 £34.61 £13.93
    rancid Show
    • A
    • A
         
    rossatron8 Show
    • 6
    • 4
         
    tonbino01 Show
    • 10
    • 10
         
    Turn
       
    • K
         
    River
       
    • 3
         
    tonbino01 Win Three 10s £33.21   £33.21
  • edited January 2012
    Main BR
    Last Deposit 18/6/2011 £80
    Roll at start of this dairy 17/11/2011 £437   


    Current roll 2/1/2012 £590 C4P 85
  • edited January 2012
    These DYM's are doing my head in, yoyo'ing is so annoying - won five then lost four grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr !!

    How do you guys grind these, so boring and annoying )
    Especially when you have a big stack (5000) giving the bb small stack (600) a walk when blind are 400 WTF !
    Played 295 games for a profit of £58, cashed in 183.
    Think I'll give em a bash again tomorrow, and see if I can get through this and play some £5.50'S
    DYM £ PLAYED MONEY IN CASHED OUT DIFF LOST     win perc
    1.15 80 £92.00 53 £106.00 £14.00 27     66.25%
    2.25 126 £283.50 79 £316.00 £32.50 47     62.70%
    3.3 89 £293.70 51 £306.00 £12.30 38     57.30%
    5.5   £0.00   £0.00 £0.00 0     #DIV/0!
                       
                       
    Total 295 £669.20 183 £728.00 £58.80 112     62.03%
                       
                  Start DYM BR Current DYM BR  
                  £25.00 £83.80  
    Played a SAT and some MTT's = no joy in the main apart from small cashes

    Played some NL8 and done ok tonight, brought BR back up again
    Thank god for cash !

    Main BR
    Last Deposit 18/6/2011 £80
    Roll at start of this dairy 17/11/2011 £437   


    Current roll 3/1/2012 £606 C4P 265



  • edited January 2012
    hi smarr

    the 5% rule is basically,
    whatever you are playing,cash tournies,dym,s etc


    ,you never play with more than 5% of the money in your sky account.
     so if you have say £50 in yours.
    you shouldn,t be puting in anymore than £2.50 at any one time.,

    it,s basically a safety net to stop you going broke.

    mind you it,s very easy to say it,
    but not so easy to carry it out!

    in my case,i play £3.30 dym,s
    my bankroll(money in my sky poker account) is around £350,

    so each game i play is costing 1% of my b/roll
    as i am playing 5/6 tables i am risking 5 to 6% at any one time.

    a cash table example would be;
    for a 2p/4p game;
    to play comfortably and to the 5% rule;
     
    you should have £80 in your poker account
    (if you load up the max 4 that table,being £4.00)

    some would argue that 5% is a bit low,
    so lets say you had £40 in your account
    and playing 2p/4p n/limit cash
    and you load up the max £4.00
    (you are now risking 10% on that game.)


    which is ok.
    but you only need 2 or 3 bad sessions,
    and your £40 soon becomes £30

    if you can stick to the 5% rule,that,s ideal.
    if you can,t,...try not going above 10%,
    and that should be fine.

    good luck smarr

    devon



     





























  • edited January 2012

    DYM, nearly over the £100 mark, played a coupld of £5 teasers
    DYM £ PLAYED MONEY IN CASHED OUT DIFF LOST     win perc
    1.15 80 £92.00 53 £106.00 £14.00 27     66.25%
    2.25 128 £288.00 80 £320.00 £32.00 48     62.50%
    3.3 121 £399.30 71 £426.00 £26.70 50     58.68%
    5.5 2 £11.00 1 £10.00 -£1.00 1     50.00%
                       
                       
    Total 331 £790.30 205 £862.00 £71.70 126     61.93%
                       
                  Start DYM BR Current DYM BR  
                  £25.00 £96.70  
    Played some more MTT/SATS and cash, main BR not really moving much
    Just seems to be yoyo'ing :) upto £620 then down :(
    It's the MTT/SATS that eat the profit :(0
    Treated myself to a £11 BH, all in on the river and three of us have the flush - backdoor madness
    Anyway, played 65s so kinda deserved it :D




    Main BR
    Last Deposit 18/6/2011 £80
    Roll at start of this dairy 17/11/2011 £437   


    Current roll 4/1/2012 £597 C4P 421

  • edited January 2012
    Well, well, well here we are again - updating with some good news - only a little bad

    DYM- Getting there, but I really don't know how much more I can take of playing these DYM games that
    always require getting cards or shoving and getting through
    Sorry but there really ain't any skill to these, I think you could teach DYM basics to a 10 year old
    No offence to any DMY REGS, which I am a DYM Reg of sorts but you play very little poker in these!
    Obviously I am going to get lots of flack, but like I say I respect the players that do make money because
    it does require so much discipline.
    DYM £ PLAYED MONEY IN CASHED OUT DIFF LOST     win perc
    1.15 81 £93.15 54 £108.00 £14.85 27     66.67%
    2.25 128 £288.00 80 £320.00 £32.00 48     62.50%
    3.3 143 £471.90 82 £492.00 £20.10 61     57.34%
    5.5 3 £16.50 2 £20.00 £3.50 1     66.67%
                       
                       
    Total 355 £869.55 218 £940.00 £70.45 137     61.41%
                       
                  Start DYM BR Current DYM BR  
                  £25.00 £95.45  
    MTT - entered a £11 (500GTD) final tabled binked a 5th for £56 but went out on a horrible hand


    booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    longjob Small blind   300.00 300.00 28870.00
    Farmboy Big blind   600.00 900.00 36086.25
      Your hole cards
    • K
    • K
         
    rancid Raise   1200.00 2100.00 11420.00
    eaturchips Fold        
    MATTY1 All-in   4746.25 6846.25 0.00
    gEO000 Raise   8400.00 15246.25 20392.50
    longjob Fold        
    Farmboy Fold        
    rancid All-in   11420.00 26666.25 0.00
    gEO000 Call   4220.00 30886.25 16172.50
    rancid Show
    • K
    • K
         
    MATTY1 Show
    • 5
    • 5
         
    gEO000 Show
    • 10
    • A
         
    Flop
       
    • 9
    • 7
    • Q
         
    Turn
       
    • 3
         
    River
       
    • 8
         
    gEO000 Win Flush to the Ace 30886.25   47058.75

    Cash - only played a little so not much doing there, once I reach the £5 DYM, because I really got to do it now ) Then I'll grind some proper NL8/NL10 and see what comes of it, maybe some NL20 aswel )
    I know some NL8 Regs are missing me at the tables :()

    Main BR
    Last Deposit 18/6/2011 £80
    Roll at start of this dairy 17/11/2011 £437   


    Current roll 5/1/2012 £653 C4P 546
    +Silver Star on scope ! Must be doing ok )
  • edited January 2012
    keep it up m8
    you're doing great
    win % on dyms are good - but does show you how hard it is to make any significant profit at the lower levels.
    I am re-thinking my aim to concentrate on dyms this month (when I can be bothered to play that is - busy month) given the volume you've put in. I'll only be on the £1.15 level I think.
  • edited January 2012

    Excellent thread Rancid, keep up the good work.

    It's always great to see a self-confessed former losing novice work hard to turn things around and successfully become a profitable player.

  • edited January 2012
    dude u need to add sats to ur game u seem to do well in tourment so u may bink one gl
  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: Rancid and his Roll (Diary of a losing recreational player):
    keep it up m8 you're doing great win % on dyms are good - but does show you how hard it is to make any significant profit at the lower levels. I am re-thinking my aim to concentrate on dyms this month (when I can be bothered to play that is - busy month) given the volume you've put in. I'll only be on the £1.15 level I think.
    Posted by walesboy
    I think until you get to £3-5 then it's a slow grind, even when your winning at £1 level it still feels like you treading water
    Think you can make a little bit of money if your grinding £3 or £5 but there's some nice money at the £11 level I feel - I could play that level now but I am a great believer in grass roots traiining )

    I have had to make some changes to make my DYM game just to make it profitable, and it's worked, hopefully!
    There are some good players at £3 level but there's also a lot of bad )
    Sharkscope is brilliant and really helps identify fish and sharks, worth the purchase.

  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: Rancid and his Roll (Diary of a losing recreational player):
    Excellent thread Rancid, keep up the good work. It's always great to see a self-confessed former losing novice work hard to turn things around and successfully become a profitable player.
    Posted by GaryQQQ
    Hi, yeah I have put a lot of work in and looked at my game to improve since June 2011 and it's helped.

    Thanks
  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: Rancid and his Roll (Diary of a losing recreational player):
    dude u need to add sats to ur game u seem to do well in tourment so u may bink one gl
    Posted by D_Legend

    Yeah I sat'ed into the first UKOPS main event, which was nice.
    I am looking to play more SAT, it's a good idea I think.
    They do play similar to DYM's so.....
  • edited January 2012
    emm banana skins - bad run of cards and tooo much wine = bad evening of poker :()
    Run into negatives in the £3 DYM
    MTT/sats - no good
    cash - down a little

    Will not even bother posting any bad beats because I can't be asked, silly night :)

    run better
    DYM £ PLAYED MONEY IN CASHED OUT DIFF LOST     win perc
    1.15 81 £93.15 54 £108.00 £14.85 27     66.67%
    2.25 129 £290.25 81 £324.00 £33.75 48     62.79%
    3.3 172 £567.60 94 £564.00 -£3.60 78     54.65%
    5.5 5 £27.50 4 £40.00 £12.50 1     80.00%
                       
                       
    Total 387 £978.50 233 £1,036.00 £57.50 154     60.21%
                       
                  Start DYM BR Current DYM BR  
                  £25.00 £82.50  
    Main BR
    Last Deposit 18/6/2011 £80
    Roll at start of this dairy 17/11/2011 £437   


    Current roll 5/1/2012 £632 C4P 691
  • edited January 2012
    Bad beats/outdraws are killing me in these DYM
    had a FH drawn out by trips hitting quads in the river, tough this poker

    If only I run better than I would be playing the £5 by now
    Looks like after the winnign the first three today, it's gone downhill again
    Seems like I will be stuck on the £3 level forever!
    Just gotta keep on getting the chips in ahead and over time I will win :()
    Looks like I am going to have to play up and above 200 games to get the varaince to smooth out

    Current roll 7/1/2012 £628 C4P 719
    DYM £ PLAYED MONEY IN CASHED OUT DIFF LOST     win perc
    1.15 81 £93.15 54 £108.00 £14.85 27     66.67%
    2.25 130 £292.50 81 £324.00 £31.50 49     62.31%
    3.3 179 £590.70 99 £594.00 £3.30 80     55.31%
    5.5 5 £27.50 4 £40.00 £12.50 1     80.00%
                       
                       
    Total 395 £1,003.85 238 £1,066.00 £62.15 157     60.25%
                       
                  Start DYM BR Current DYM BR  
                  £25.00 £87.15  
            
             
             
             
             
             
             
             
             
             
              
  • edited January 2012
    Back on track again after the wobble of last night

    Played some NL8 cash and won some, DYM's back to running ok again.
    DYM £ PLAYED MONEY IN CASHED OUT DIFF LOST     win perc
    1.15 81 £93.15 54 £108.00 £14.85 27     66.67%
    2.25 130 £292.50 81 £324.00 £31.50 49     62.31%
    3.3 190 £627.00 106 £636.00 £9.00 84     55.79%
    5.5 5 £27.50 4 £40.00 £12.50 1     80.00%
                       
                       
    Total 406 £1,040.15 245 £1,108.00 £67.85 161     60.34%
                       
                  Start DYM BR Current DYM BR  
                  £25.00 £92.85  

    Current roll 7/1/2012 £660 C4P 765
  • edited January 2012
    Just load up 2 tables of NL20 already, you're good enough and even if you lost you'd still be very well rolled for your other games.
  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: Rancid and his Roll (Diary of a losing recreational player):
    Just load up 2 tables of NL20 already, you're good enough and even if you lost you'd still be very well rolled for your other games.
    Posted by Poker_Fail

    Maybe I just will take a shot @+_)

    Don't think I am good enough at the moment, but may just run good (:)
  • edited January 2012
    rancid ,you getting as bad as dude, your game would beat 90% of players at nl20, so stop being a big girls blouse and put some of that roll to good use.
  • edited January 2012
    fcuk these DYM - decks are killing me
    back to evens in the £3's, seriously tilting
    200 games and no profit = WTF !
    In profit overall but hey -
    Just can't see what I am doing wrong, if anything
    stupid game tbh
    Just one stupid example !
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    meanmach20 Small blind   150.00 150.00 2550.00
    k_mac Big blind   300.00 450.00 1185.00
      Your hole cards
    • Q
    • Q
         
    rancid Raise   600.00 1050.00 2835.00
    amy1980 Fold        
    kevcoke69 Fold        
    meanmach20 Fold        
    k_mac All-in   1185.00 2235.00 0.00
    rancid Call   885.00 3120.00 1950.00
    k_mac Show
    • 5
    • K
         
    rancid Show
    • Q
    • Q
         
    Flop
       
    • 2
    • 10
    • 9
         
    Turn
       
    • K
         
    River
       
    • K
         
    k_mac Win Three Kings 3120.00   3120.00
    DYM £ PLAYED MONEY IN CASHED OUT DIFF LOST     win perc
    1.15 81 £93.15 54 £108.00 £14.85 27     66.67%
    2.25 132 £297.00 82 £328.00 £31.00 50     62.12%
    3.3 200 £660.00 110 £660.00 £0.00 90     55.00%
    5.5 5 £27.50 4 £40.00 £12.50 1     80.00%
                       
                       
    Total 418 £1,077.65 250 £1,136.00 £58.35 168     59.81%
                       
                  Start DYM BR Current DYM BR  
                  £25.00 £83.35  
  • edited January 2012
    what are you actually hoping to achieve by playing low stakes dyms?

    If its with the intention of becoming a full time dym reg then carry on.



    If not, then stop messing about playing way under your roll at a level and format that you won't become a better all around player by playing and go and take some shots.
  • edited January 2012
    So you're heading in the direction of quadrupling your BR in not THAT long a time really and you're moaning cos at one level of stakes you're break even (granted it is the one you've put the most volume into lol). But an overall win-rate of 59% for DYMs is really really good, almost unsustainable unless you are a REALLY good player
  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: Rancid and his Roll (Diary of a losing recreational player):
    what are you actually hoping to achieve by playing low stakes dyms? If its with the intention of becoming a full time dym reg then carry on. If not, then stop messing about playing way under your roll at a level and format that you won't become a better all around player by playing and go and take some shots.
    Posted by NColley
    I am thinking exactly that, may just crack on with £5 cause I know I can beat £3 - just varaince kicking me in the bolloxks

    I need to get back to cash
  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: Rancid and his Roll (Diary of a losing recreational player):
    So you're heading in the direction of quadrupling your BR in not THAT long a time really and you're moaning cos at one level of stakes you're break even (granted it is the one you've put the most volume into lol). But an overall win-rate of 59% for DYMs is really really good, almost unsustainable unless you are a REALLY good player
    Posted by Lambert180
    The state of players at £3, makes this level easily beatable - hence my frustration as to why it's taking so long
    I just wanna grind £5 level for a while as it doesn't seem too hard
    Nature of these shove fests on the bubble means varaince will either kick you in the boolocsxs or really kick you along chucking money at you

  • edited January 2012

    Current roll 9/1/2012
    £654
    C4P 830


    Back to work tomorrow, less hours to grind
    May play some B&M tomorrow evening, beer&giggles :()


    Next online may run 4x£5 DYM and 2xNL10 and see where I go








  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: Rancid and his Roll (Diary of a losing recreational player):
    In Response to Re: Rancid and his Roll (Diary of a losing recreational player) : Maybe I just will take a shot @+_) Don't think I am good enough at the moment, but may just run good (:)
    Posted by rancid
    If you lose, not much harm done.

    If you do well, you can try again the day after and it could just skip a few levels of cash for you.

    Definitely worth the shot IMO, although maybe it would be worth trying on a saturday night as games are obv easier then.

    Whatever you do GL : )
  • edited January 2012
    Hi mate, been reading ur posts recently and must say excellent read.

    I do believe firstly, that on the roll you are playing, you really need to step up from the £3 tables and get up to the £5 tables. The difference in quality imo, is not really that much different.

    Secondly, and this isnt a knock on ur ability as a player, but to of played 200 games at the £3 tables and make no profit, then maybe you need to re-assess ur strategy. Take a look at hand histories and see where u could of tightened up and where u should of been more aggressive. I dont want to sound patronising, but its clear u are a very capable player and you should be making more at the 'devil's game'.

    You will get there tho im sure. gl
  • edited January 2012

    Cheers for the input

     

    Think my strategy is fine, maybe I can tighten up in a few spots and not take races so early for example but overall I am happy with my DYM game.

     

    Because the line is so thin it really doesn’t take much to bring you from 59% down to 55%. Also if I get a good run, I’ll be up again.

    Seems I can equally win four and lose four on the bounce

    Swingy!

    It does make you realize just how super nit tight you should be playing to ensure you stay away from flips unless your on the bubble and short stacked.

  • edited January 2012
    Ranny you're a sensible guy I presume, so I also presume you realise moving up to £5.50 will NOT make the games any easier, more REGS playing tight like you ain't fun lol.

    The best thing for you to do is post some key hands in the clinic or analysis as if over 200 games at £3.30 you're not in profit then you're clearly doing some fundemental thing wrong, you probably don't even realise it but it could be having a major effect.

    FWIW I've moved back to DYM's after having a go at the Hyper's as they were just too crazy with variance etc. I had my two shots at £5.50 from last month but had to drop down to £3.30 then build up again, I have done now and had another 2 shots and currently close to getting stable. Anyway point is my £3.30 total record is 151 played 94 won and this is purely using JC's guide pretty much to the letter. The only slight adjustments that you need to make are when to shove late on that's where experiamce is vital.

    An example - it's often better to shove in the SB w/3bbs at 150/300 than 4.5bbs UTG 4-handed both with air as just one player to get past. 

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