Happy New Year, time for a bit of reflection (feeling a bit emotional!)
Start of the new year and on reflection the past 7 months since I stared to actually make an effort with my game with depositing £80 on the 18th June 2011 and incorporating BRM is starting to show how important solid BRM is for any player at any level and what a differance it can make. I am not an amzing player, but anyone with a solid BRM and a solid strategy for NL4 or/and £1 DYM's can make money for the pub or whataver ) Variance killed me at times over the last 7 months, and you do start to question it all, but over the long term you can see the theory of "it's rigged" is all BS. I have been on really bad runs where no matter what hand I have, I just can't win. Then all of a sudden you just keep on winning!
I have been studying the game a lot and has really helped me plug leaks and look at the game from another perpespective. I suppose the most important thing I have learned is controlled aggression. We are constantly being told that you have to be aggressive to get anywhere and yes this is true but you need some control and all out aggression just ends up as mistakes and spew !
I started playing NL4 and have moved up to NL8/10 and am now playing £2-3 DYM and with a DYM BR of £90ish I am looking to get to and stay and grind £5 level. Still playing the mini events but will probably move up to the £250 GTD and maybe some £11 BH.
As for aims, just want to keep on improving my all round game and move up the cash levels and manage some nice MTT finishes. Would also like this year to attend an SPT event and also see if I can sat into a big event and TID )
Main BR Last Deposit 18/6/2011 £80 Roll at start of this dairy 17/11/2011 £437 -
These DYM's are doing my head in, yoyo'ing is so annoying - won five then lost four grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr !!
How do you guys grind these, so boring and annoying ) Especially when you have a big stack (5000) giving the bb small stack (600) a walk when blind are 400 WTF ! Played 295 games for a profit of £58, cashed in 183. Think I'll give em a bash again tomorrow, and see if I can get through this and play some £5.50'S
DYM £
PLAYED
MONEY IN
CASHED
OUT
DIFF
LOST
win perc
1.15
80
£92.00
53
£106.00
£14.00
27
66.25%
2.25
126
£283.50
79
£316.00
£32.50
47
62.70%
3.3
89
£293.70
51
£306.00
£12.30
38
57.30%
5.5
£0.00
£0.00
£0.00
0
#DIV/0!
Total
295
£669.20
183
£728.00
£58.80
112
62.03%
Start DYM BR
Current DYM BR
£25.00
£83.80
Played a SAT and some MTT's = no joy in the main apart from small cashes
Played some NL8 and done ok tonight, brought BR back up again Thank god for cash !
Main BR Last Deposit 18/6/2011 £80 Roll at start of this dairy 17/11/2011 £437 -
the 5% rule is basically, whatever you are playing,cash tournies,dym,s etc
,you never play with more than 5% of the money in your sky account. so if you have say £50 in yours. you shouldn,t be puting in anymore than £2.50 at any one time.,
it,s basically a safety net to stop you going broke.
mind you it,s very easy to say it, but not so easy to carry it out!
in my case,i play £3.30 dym,s my bankroll(money in my sky poker account) is around £350,
so each game i play is costing 1% of my b/roll as i am playing 5/6 tables i am risking 5 to 6% at any one time.
a cash table example would be; for a 2p/4p game; to play comfortably and to the 5% rule;
you should have £80 in your poker account (if you load up the max 4 that table,being £4.00)
some would argue that 5% is a bit low, so lets say you had £40 in your account and playing 2p/4p n/limit cash and you load up the max £4.00 (you are now risking 10% on that game.)
which is ok. but you only need 2 or 3 bad sessions, and your £40 soon becomes £30
if you can stick to the 5% rule,that,s ideal. if you can,t,...try not going above 10%, and that should be fine.
DYM, nearly over the £100 mark, played a coupld of £5 teasers
DYM £
PLAYED
MONEY IN
CASHED
OUT
DIFF
LOST
win perc
1.15
80
£92.00
53
£106.00
£14.00
27
66.25%
2.25
128
£288.00
80
£320.00
£32.00
48
62.50%
3.3
121
£399.30
71
£426.00
£26.70
50
58.68%
5.5
2
£11.00
1
£10.00
-£1.00
1
50.00%
Total
331
£790.30
205
£862.00
£71.70
126
61.93%
Start DYM BR
Current DYM BR
£25.00
£96.70
Played some more MTT/SATS and cash, main BR not really moving much Just seems to be yoyo'ing upto £620 then down It's the MTT/SATS that eat the profit :(0 Treated myself to a £11 BH, all in on the river and three of us have the flush - backdoor madness Anyway, played 65s so kinda deserved it
Main BR Last Deposit 18/6/2011 £80 Roll at start of this dairy 17/11/2011 £437 -
Well, well, well here we are again - updating with some good news - only a little bad
DYM- Getting there, but I really don't know how much more I can take of playing these DYM games that always require getting cards or shoving and getting through Sorry but there really ain't any skill to these, I think you could teach DYM basics to a 10 year old No offence to any DMY REGS, which I am a DYM Reg of sorts but you play very little poker in these! Obviously I am going to get lots of flack, but like I say I respect the players that do make money because it does require so much discipline.
DYM £
PLAYED
MONEY IN
CASHED
OUT
DIFF
LOST
win perc
1.15
81
£93.15
54
£108.00
£14.85
27
66.67%
2.25
128
£288.00
80
£320.00
£32.00
48
62.50%
3.3
143
£471.90
82
£492.00
£20.10
61
57.34%
5.5
3
£16.50
2
£20.00
£3.50
1
66.67%
Total
355
£869.55
218
£940.00
£70.45
137
61.41%
Start DYM BR
Current DYM BR
£25.00
£95.45
MTT - entered a £11 (500GTD) final tabled binked a 5th for £56 but went out on a horrible hand
booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
longjob
Small blind
300.00
300.00
28870.00
Farmboy
Big blind
600.00
900.00
36086.25
Your hole cards
K
K
rancid
Raise
1200.00
2100.00
11420.00
eaturchips
Fold
MATTY1
All-in
4746.25
6846.25
0.00
gEO000
Raise
8400.00
15246.25
20392.50
longjob
Fold
Farmboy
Fold
rancid
All-in
11420.00
26666.25
0.00
gEO000
Call
4220.00
30886.25
16172.50
rancid
Show
K
K
MATTY1
Show
5
5
gEO000
Show
10
A
Flop
9
7
Q
Turn
3
River
8
gEO000
Win
Flush to the Ace
30886.25
47058.75
Cash - only played a little so not much doing there, once I reach the £5 DYM, because I really got to do it now ) Then I'll grind some proper NL8/NL10 and see what comes of it, maybe some NL20 aswel ) I know some NL8 Regs are missing me at the tables ) Main BR Last Deposit 18/6/2011 £80 Roll at start of this dairy 17/11/2011 £437 -
Current roll 5/1/2012 £653 C4P 546 +Silver Star on scope ! Must be doing ok )
keep it up m8 you're doing great win % on dyms are good - but does show you how hard it is to make any significant profit at the lower levels. I am re-thinking my aim to concentrate on dyms this month (when I can be bothered to play that is - busy month) given the volume you've put in. I'll only be on the £1.15 level I think.
keep it up m8 you're doing great win % on dyms are good - but does show you how hard it is to make any significant profit at the lower levels. I am re-thinking my aim to concentrate on dyms this month (when I can be bothered to play that is - busy month) given the volume you've put in. I'll only be on the £1.15 level I think. Posted by walesboy
I think until you get to £3-5 then it's a slow grind, even when your winning at £1 level it still feels like you treading water Think you can make a little bit of money if your grinding £3 or £5 but there's some nice money at the £11 level I feel - I could play that level now but I am a great believer in grass roots traiining )
I have had to make some changes to make my DYM game just to make it profitable, and it's worked, hopefully! There are some good players at £3 level but there's also a lot of bad ) Sharkscope is brilliant and really helps identify fish and sharks, worth the purchase.
Excellent thread Rancid, keep up the good work. It's always great to see a self-confessed former losing novice work hard to turn things around and successfully become a profitable player. Posted by GaryQQQ
Hi, yeah I have put a lot of work in and looked at my game to improve since June 2011 and it's helped.
dude u need to add sats to ur game u seem to do well in tourment so u may bink one gl Posted by D_Legend
Yeah I sat'ed into the first UKOPS main event, which was nice. I am looking to play more SAT, it's a good idea I think. They do play similar to DYM's so.....
emm banana skins - bad run of cards and tooo much wine = bad evening of poker ) Run into negatives in the £3 DYM MTT/sats - no good cash - down a little
Will not even bother posting any bad beats because I can't be asked, silly night
run better
DYM £
PLAYED
MONEY IN
CASHED
OUT
DIFF
LOST
win perc
1.15
81
£93.15
54
£108.00
£14.85
27
66.67%
2.25
129
£290.25
81
£324.00
£33.75
48
62.79%
3.3
172
£567.60
94
£564.00
-£3.60
78
54.65%
5.5
5
£27.50
4
£40.00
£12.50
1
80.00%
Total
387
£978.50
233
£1,036.00
£57.50
154
60.21%
Start DYM BR
Current DYM BR
£25.00
£82.50
Main BR Last Deposit 18/6/2011 £80 Roll at start of this dairy 17/11/2011 £437 -
Bad beats/outdraws are killing me in these DYM had a FH drawn out by trips hitting quads in the river, tough this poker
If only I run better than I would be playing the £5 by now Looks like after the winnign the first three today, it's gone downhill again Seems like I will be stuck on the £3 level forever! Just gotta keep on getting the chips in ahead and over time I will win ) Looks like I am going to have to play up and above 200 games to get the varaince to smooth out
Just load up 2 tables of NL20 already, you're good enough and even if you lost you'd still be very well rolled for your other games. Posted by Poker_Fail
rancid ,you getting as bad as dude, your game would beat 90% of players at nl20, so stop being a big girls blouse and put some of that roll to good use.
fcuk these DYM - decks are killing me back to evens in the £3's, seriously tilting 200 games and no profit = WTF ! In profit overall but hey - Just can't see what I am doing wrong, if anything stupid game tbh Just one stupid example !
what are you actually hoping to achieve by playing low stakes dyms?
If its with the intention of becoming a full time dym reg then carry on.
If not, then stop messing about playing way under your roll at a level and format that you won't become a better all around player by playing and go and take some shots.
So you're heading in the direction of quadrupling your BR in not THAT long a time really and you're moaning cos at one level of stakes you're break even (granted it is the one you've put the most volume into lol). But an overall win-rate of 59% for DYMs is really really good, almost unsustainable unless you are a REALLY good player
what are you actually hoping to achieve by playing low stakes dyms? If its with the intention of becoming a full time dym reg then carry on. If not, then stop messing about playing way under your roll at a level and format that you won't become a better all around player by playing and go and take some shots. Posted by NColley
I am thinking exactly that, may just crack on with £5 cause I know I can beat £3 - just varaince kicking me in the bolloxks
So you're heading in the direction of quadrupling your BR in not THAT long a time really and you're moaning cos at one level of stakes you're break even (granted it is the one you've put the most volume into lol). But an overall win-rate of 59% for DYMs is really really good, almost unsustainable unless you are a REALLY good player Posted by Lambert180
The state of players at £3, makes this level easily beatable - hence my frustration as to why it's taking so long I just wanna grind £5 level for a while as it doesn't seem too hard Nature of these shove fests on the bubble means varaince will either kick you in the boolocsxs or really kick you along chucking money at you
In Response to Re: Rancid and his Roll (Diary of a losing recreational player) : Maybe I just will take a shot @+_) Don't think I am good enough at the moment, but may just run good (:) Posted by rancid
If you lose, not much harm done.
If you do well, you can try again the day after and it could just skip a few levels of cash for you.
Definitely worth the shot IMO, although maybe it would be worth trying on a saturday night as games are obv easier then.
Hi mate, been reading ur posts recently and must say excellent read.
I do believe firstly, that on the roll you are playing, you really need to step up from the £3 tables and get up to the £5 tables. The difference in quality imo, is not really that much different.
Secondly, and this isnt a knock on ur ability as a player, but to of played 200 games at the £3 tables and make no profit, then maybe you need to re-assess ur strategy. Take a look at hand histories and see where u could of tightened up and where u should of been more aggressive. I dont want to sound patronising, but its clear u are a very capable player and you should be making more at the 'devil's game'.
Think my strategy is fine, maybe I can tighten up in a few spots and not take races so early for example but overall I am happy with my DYM game.
Because the line is so thin it really doesn’t take much to bring you from 59% down to 55%. Also if I get a good run, I’ll be up again.
Seems I can equally win four and lose four on the bounce
Swingy!
It does make you realize just how super nit tight you should be playing to ensure you stay away from flips unless your on the bubble and short stacked.
Ranny you're a sensible guy I presume, so I also presume you realise moving up to £5.50 will NOT make the games any easier, more REGS playing tight like you ain't fun lol.
The best thing for you to do is post some key hands in the clinic or analysis as if over 200 games at £3.30 you're not in profit then you're clearly doing some fundemental thing wrong, you probably don't even realise it but it could be having a major effect.
FWIW I've moved back to DYM's after having a go at the Hyper's as they were just too crazy with variance etc. I had my two shots at £5.50 from last month but had to drop down to £3.30 then build up again, I have done now and had another 2 shots and currently close to getting stable. Anyway point is my £3.30 total record is 151 played 94 won and this is purely using JC's guide pretty much to the letter. The only slight adjustments that you need to make are when to shove late on that's where experiamce is vital.
An example - it's often better to shove in the SB w/3bbs at 150/300 than 4.5bbs UTG 4-handed both with air as just one player to get past.
Comments
im just a rec player myself, have no idea what bankroll management is? where could i read up on such things. also what is the 5% rule?
Start of the new year and on reflection the past 7 months since I stared to actually make an effort with my game with depositing £80 on the 18th June 2011 and incorporating BRM is starting to show how important solid BRM is for any player at any level and what a differance it can make.
I am not an amzing player, but anyone with a solid BRM and a solid strategy for NL4 or/and £1 DYM's can make money for the pub or whataver )
Variance killed me at times over the last 7 months, and you do start to question it all, but over the long term you can see the theory of "it's rigged" is all BS.
I have been on really bad runs where no matter what hand I have, I just can't win.
Then all of a sudden you just keep on winning!
I have been studying the game a lot and has really helped me plug leaks and look at the game from another perpespective. I suppose the most important thing I have learned is controlled aggression. We are constantly being told that you have to be aggressive to get anywhere and yes this is true but you need some control and all out aggression just ends up as mistakes and spew !
I started playing NL4 and have moved up to NL8/10 and am now playing £2-3 DYM and with a DYM BR of £90ish I am looking to get to and stay and grind £5 level. Still playing the mini events but will probably move up to the £250 GTD and maybe some £11 BH.
As for aims, just want to keep on improving my all round game and move up the cash levels and manage some nice MTT finishes. Would also like this year to attend an SPT event and also see if I can sat into a big event and TID )
Main BR
Last Deposit 18/6/2011 £80
Roll at start of this dairy 17/11/2011 £437
-
Current roll 1/1/2012 £601 C4P 18
DYM were going great then lost the last four SIGH !
But at least I ain't doing anything wrong and it was just a few prs v overpairs
Last Deposit 18/6/2011 £80
Roll at start of this dairy 17/11/2011 £437
-
Current roll 2/1/2012 £590 C4P 85
How do you guys grind these, so boring and annoying )
Especially when you have a big stack (5000) giving the bb small stack (600) a walk when blind are 400 WTF !
Played 295 games for a profit of £58, cashed in 183.
Think I'll give em a bash again tomorrow, and see if I can get through this and play some £5.50'S
Played some NL8 and done ok tonight, brought BR back up again
Thank god for cash !
Main BR
Last Deposit 18/6/2011 £80
Roll at start of this dairy 17/11/2011 £437
-
Current roll 3/1/2012 £606 C4P 265
the 5% rule is basically,
whatever you are playing,cash tournies,dym,s etc
,you never play with more than 5% of the money in your sky account.
so if you have say £50 in yours.
you shouldn,t be puting in anymore than £2.50 at any one time.,
it,s basically a safety net to stop you going broke.
mind you it,s very easy to say it,
but not so easy to carry it out!
in my case,i play £3.30 dym,s
my bankroll(money in my sky poker account) is around £350,
so each game i play is costing 1% of my b/roll
as i am playing 5/6 tables i am risking 5 to 6% at any one time.
a cash table example would be;
for a 2p/4p game;
to play comfortably and to the 5% rule;
you should have £80 in your poker account
(if you load up the max 4 that table,being £4.00)
some would argue that 5% is a bit low,
so lets say you had £40 in your account
and playing 2p/4p n/limit cash
and you load up the max £4.00
(you are now risking 10% on that game.)
which is ok.
but you only need 2 or 3 bad sessions,
and your £40 soon becomes £30
if you can stick to the 5% rule,that,s ideal.
if you can,t,...try not going above 10%,
and that should be fine.
good luck smarr
devon
DYM, nearly over the £100 mark, played a coupld of £5 teasers
Just seems to be yoyo'ing upto £620 then down
It's the MTT/SATS that eat the profit :(0
Treated myself to a £11 BH, all in on the river and three of us have the flush - backdoor madness
Anyway, played 65s so kinda deserved it
Main BR
Last Deposit 18/6/2011 £80
Roll at start of this dairy 17/11/2011 £437
-
Current roll 4/1/2012 £597 C4P 421
DYM- Getting there, but I really don't know how much more I can take of playing these DYM games that
always require getting cards or shoving and getting through
Sorry but there really ain't any skill to these, I think you could teach DYM basics to a 10 year old
No offence to any DMY REGS, which I am a DYM Reg of sorts but you play very little poker in these!
Obviously I am going to get lots of flack, but like I say I respect the players that do make money because
it does require so much discipline.
booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom
Cash - only played a little so not much doing there, once I reach the £5 DYM, because I really got to do it now ) Then I'll grind some proper NL8/NL10 and see what comes of it, maybe some NL20 aswel )
I know some NL8 Regs are missing me at the tables )
Main BR
Last Deposit 18/6/2011 £80
Roll at start of this dairy 17/11/2011 £437
-
Current roll 5/1/2012 £653 C4P 546
+Silver Star on scope ! Must be doing ok )
you're doing great
win % on dyms are good - but does show you how hard it is to make any significant profit at the lower levels.
I am re-thinking my aim to concentrate on dyms this month (when I can be bothered to play that is - busy month) given the volume you've put in. I'll only be on the £1.15 level I think.
Excellent thread Rancid, keep up the good work.
It's always great to see a self-confessed former losing novice work hard to turn things around and successfully become a profitable player.
Think you can make a little bit of money if your grinding £3 or £5 but there's some nice money at the £11 level I feel - I could play that level now but I am a great believer in grass roots traiining )
I have had to make some changes to make my DYM game just to make it profitable, and it's worked, hopefully!
There are some good players at £3 level but there's also a lot of bad )
Sharkscope is brilliant and really helps identify fish and sharks, worth the purchase.
Thanks
Yeah I sat'ed into the first UKOPS main event, which was nice.
I am looking to play more SAT, it's a good idea I think.
They do play similar to DYM's so.....
Run into negatives in the £3 DYM
MTT/sats - no good
cash - down a little
Will not even bother posting any bad beats because I can't be asked, silly night
run better
Last Deposit 18/6/2011 £80
Roll at start of this dairy 17/11/2011 £437
-
Current roll 5/1/2012 £632 C4P 691
had a FH drawn out by trips hitting quads in the river, tough this poker
If only I run better than I would be playing the £5 by now
Looks like after the winnign the first three today, it's gone downhill again
Seems like I will be stuck on the £3 level forever!
Just gotta keep on getting the chips in ahead and over time I will win )
Looks like I am going to have to play up and above 200 games to get the varaince to smooth out
Current roll 7/1/2012 £628 C4P 719
Played some NL8 cash and won some, DYM's back to running ok again.
Current roll 7/1/2012 £660 C4P 765
Maybe I just will take a shot @+_)
Don't think I am good enough at the moment, but may just run good (:)
back to evens in the £3's, seriously tilting
200 games and no profit = WTF !
In profit overall but hey -
Just can't see what I am doing wrong, if anything
stupid game tbh
Just one stupid example !
If its with the intention of becoming a full time dym reg then carry on.
If not, then stop messing about playing way under your roll at a level and format that you won't become a better all around player by playing and go and take some shots.
I need to get back to cash
I just wanna grind £5 level for a while as it doesn't seem too hard
Nature of these shove fests on the bubble means varaince will either kick you in the boolocsxs or really kick you along chucking money at you
Current roll 9/1/2012
£654
C4P 830
Back to work tomorrow, less hours to grind
May play some B&M tomorrow evening, beer&giggles )
Next online may run 4x£5 DYM and 2xNL10 and see where I go
If you do well, you can try again the day after and it could just skip a few levels of cash for you.
Definitely worth the shot IMO, although maybe it would be worth trying on a saturday night as games are obv easier then.
Whatever you do GL : )
I do believe firstly, that on the roll you are playing, you really need to step up from the £3 tables and get up to the £5 tables. The difference in quality imo, is not really that much different.
Secondly, and this isnt a knock on ur ability as a player, but to of played 200 games at the £3 tables and make no profit, then maybe you need to re-assess ur strategy. Take a look at hand histories and see where u could of tightened up and where u should of been more aggressive. I dont want to sound patronising, but its clear u are a very capable player and you should be making more at the 'devil's game'.
You will get there tho im sure. gl
Cheers for the input
Think my strategy is fine, maybe I can tighten up in a few spots and not take races so early for example but overall I am happy with my DYM game.
Because the line is so thin it really doesn’t take much to bring you from 59% down to 55%. Also if I get a good run, I’ll be up again.
Seems I can equally win four and lose four on the bounce
Swingy!
It does make you realize just how super nit tight you should be playing to ensure you stay away from flips unless your on the bubble and short stacked.