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Can an old dog learn new tricks?

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  • edited November 2013
    Well you're not far off a 60% winrate which is a like 9% ROI if the rake is 10%... you won't find that many people sustaining that kind of ROI in DYMs these days! I dunno, that's the case for NLHE DYMs anyway, maybe the edges can be bigger in PLO/PLO8

    Always good to strive for more though.
  • edited November 2013
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:
    Well you're not far off a 60% winrate which is a like 9% ROI if the rake is 10%... you won't find that many people sustaining that kind of ROI in DYMs these days! I dunno, that's the case for NLHE DYMs anyway, maybe the edges can be bigger in PLO/PLO8 Always good to strive for more though.
    Posted by Lambert180
    Yes, I guess it could be viewed that way, though the sample size is a bit small. But PLO8 DYM's are ultra low-variance (compared to "normal" poker) so I'd be very surprised & disappointed if the long-term numbers were much different.

    I genuinely enjoy it very much, & if I thought I could earn an average of £25 per day whilst still working, the temptation to play these full-time when I retire (or get retired) is really tempting. Just think, no hassle, just play poker all day? Ooohhhhhhh....

    I did retire one before, in 2003 I think. That went well..... 
     
  • edited November 2013
    How do you monitor how many DYMs have you played/won every night Tikay? For the my account section with the latest transactions?
  • edited November 2013
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    How do you monitor how many DYMs have you played/won every night Tikay? For the my account section with the latest transactions?
    Posted by DimTzar
    go to sharkscope.com, and type in your username for sky - it should find you. If you arent a member, you can still see the last 10 games you played by clicking on your name, then on the tournaments tab. For more than 10 games, you will need to become a member, or track them yourself... maybe thats what Tikay does?
  • edited November 2013
    I certainly track my own DYM results myself, both as a whole and against certain other players
  • edited November 2013

    Thursday 14th November

    Played 20

    Won 11

    Lost 9

    Split....

    £2.25 - Played 0, won 0, Lost 0

    £5.50 - Played 13, won 6, lost 7

    £11.00 - Played 7, won 5, Lost 2

    PROFIT/LOSS on Day £11.50


    REWARD POINTS = 135



    BANKROLL at close of Play = £413.64

    REWARD POINTS at close of play = 1,471
  • edited November 2013

    November so far.....

    Played 224

    Won 132

    Lost 92

    Win-rate, November, 58.92%
  • edited November 2013
    It's good to get 7 £11 games during a single day, when only one ran the day before. Even better of course if you cash in 5 out of the 7!
  • edited November 2013
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    It's good to get 7 £11 games during a single day, when only one ran the day before. Even better of course if you cash in 5 out of the 7!
    Posted by FCHD
    Quite extraordinary.

    For those who easly criticise Poker Sites for not scheduling stuff they want, it's worth saying that these days, site traffic can be forecasted with remarkable accuracy, taking into account weather, major sporting events on TV, time of year, rival or home Promotions, da de da.
     
    Although it is only on a micro-basis, I play these DyM's every night, & so have a fair feel for how many will run at each level.
     
    For example, at the £11 Level.....

    Sunday - 1 all day.

    Monday - 4

    Tuesday - 4

    Wednesday - 1

    Thursday - 7


    I doubt I've ever seen 7 @ £11 (PLO8) in a single 4 hour session, so why all of a sudden did that happen last night? Site traffic last night was normal for a November Thursday, nothing out of line.

    And yes, it definitely skewed my results, winning 5 out of the 7. Just as well, too.
      
  • edited November 2013

    A peculiar but interesting session last night, with some drama, umbrage, & CC duties, combined with some very mixed results.
     
    Lost the 1st game, then won 5 on the bounce, including 2 @ £11. Happy days, "time to quit" I'm thinking. Then it all went horribly but almost predictably wrong, & wheels were coming off in all directions.
     
    I ended up losing 4 of the last 6, including the very last, so I could see my juicy profit gradually being eroded, with no time to repair the damage.
     
    I lost a little concentration at times, too, as a chap had a "Customer Care" query, a perfectly  reasonable question, but an open question, not a closed one, & that is kinda hard to field when 4-Tabling & Tables are popping up all over the place when it's me to act. I can't complain, people see me & so ask questions about this & that, but it does certainly mess a little with the focus & concentration.
     
    A few other things went off, too.....more of which later, maybe.

    Anyway, the mini-heater - more of a warm gentle breeze really - continues, but it's been some days since the ever fickle & often mardy Miss -Variance paid me a visit, so tonight we might just found ourselves back in the £300's.

    Good night for Reward Points, too, racked up 135, about as many as I've ever had in a weeknight evening session of PLO8 DYM's, so I now have nearly £15 locked up for next month in Reward money.
     
    Most enjoyable.    
     
  • edited November 2013
    Good going tikay. Tried to play a couple of the new 1.15 plo8 the other night and i won both. Just tried them didnt really know what i was doing the first one but really enjoyed it. Maybe just maybe i have found a game i can win at. Going to try a couple tonight after work.
  • edited November 2013
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    Good going tikay. Tried to play a couple of the new 1.15 plo8 the other night and i won both. Just tried them didnt really know what i was doing the first one but really enjoyed it. Maybe just maybe i have found a game i can win at. Going to try a couple tonight after work.
    Posted by stuarty117
    Good stuff Stuart.

    If you have ANY questions as to PLO8, DYM's, or both, please Post them here, & as you will have seen, loads of helpful folk will dispense good advice.

    If you look back through the thread, lots of really good advice been Posted by various individuals, & all of it is good. This is Level 1 Poker, not the Level 8 stuff we see at nosebleed NLH, and all you need to do is follow & practice the very basics, & keep good discipline.

    Do that, & your poker £ will last a very long time, & you'll be able to affiord to play more often. And that is all most of us dream of doing, is it not, just playing often, without hurting our pockets?

    Good luck Stu, & enjoy the ride.
     
  • edited November 2013
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:
    How do you monitor how many DYMs have you played/won every night Tikay? For the my account section with the latest transactions?
    Posted by DimTzar
    Hi DimTzar,

    No, I keep a complex, Level 7, Spreadsheet, with a 15mg core reflex & dual memory processor, & BigAGig upgrade,  to enable it to handle the complexities & speed required with such complex data.

    I'll upload a screenshot shortly if I can.
     
  • edited November 2013
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : Hi DimTzar, No, I keep a complex, Level 7, Spreadsheet, with a 15mg core reflex & dual memory processor, & BigAGig upgrade,  to enable it to handle the complexities & speed required with such complex data. I'll upload a screenshot shortly if I can.  
    Posted by Tikay10

     That would be a pen, a piece of paper and a latte then.
  • edited November 2013


    There you go DimTzar, in all it's A5 Notebook glory. Can't show you the official Spready, obv, that's Top Secret stuff. 









    I update it as I go along, & it lists....

    Time commenced

    Value of Buy-In

    Colour Coded Red or Green for Loss or Win

    Running Total of Reward Points in Session

    Running total (approx, excl Reg Fees) of Profit/Loss as I go along.

    Running total of games played as I go along.

    Then, once the session ends, I go to "MY ACCOUNT" to see what the balance is, & check to make sure it all tallies.

    It's all a bit silly, & basic, really, but I'm a bit OCD with stats & stuff, & keeping that little sheet going helps me with the motivation thing.
     
  • edited November 2013
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    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? :  That would be a pen, a piece of paper and a latte then.
    Posted by Talon
    How dare you, I say, how very DARE YOU suggest such a thing.
  • edited November 2013

    I'm surprised an old lady hasn't snapped you up already, Tikay, with such a.nal attention to detail as those notebook entries ;)

    (period placed due to Sky not liking the word, even when used in a family friendly sense!)

  • edited November 2013

    Incidentally Talon, whilst you are there, there was a (not-so) amusing sidestory in one game last night.

    One player never took his seat, he was "AWAY" from start to finish.

    As you would readily know, once the Blinds get big, & 4 players remain, this introduces some strange dynamics.

    Nobody wants to see a player lose his buy-in through absence, but the fact is, eventually, the situation has to be dealt with.
     
    So, 4 of us left, 200-400, a chap with around 2,000, me 2,200, Billy Big Stack with about 7,000, & Mr Away about 800. At 300-600. 

    Mr Big Stack is SB to Mr Away's BB.  

    Well this gets interesting, because Billy Big keeps LIMPING into Away Chaps BB. Then checks it down every street.......inevitably, Mr Away kept winning or chopping the Pots! All Mr Big had to do was min-raise, & then Mr Away would auto-fold of course. But he just kept limping.

    The other shortie then gets upset - & I do mean upset - with Mr Big, & was, shall we say, "rather rude" about Mr Big, referring to him as an appendage, or male hen.
     
    Eventually, Mr Away is all in with one zillionth of a BB for the 27th time. I unashamedly keep out of the way with my now precious 1.5 Bigs, but the other 2 limp into the pot & take on Mr Away. The flop comes down whatever, & now, at last, Mr Big actually BETS into the dry sidepot, & forces out the other shortie!

    Well you've never seen a man so angry as my fellow shortie, but eventually, the deed was done, & we all went home winners, except poor Mr Away. .......
  • edited November 2013

     It never ceases to amaze me that people have no concept on how to play the bubble in dyms.

     The one you spoke of could have been done and dusted a lot quicker and easier with basic strategy being used to blind out the away player.

      The funniest thing i have ever seen in these are when the shorty is all in and has 2 customers and then for no apparent reason someone starts betting into the side pot. And i think about 90% of the time it is a complete bluff as well which leads to the person who should have won being forced to fold and the shorty getting a nice treble up.


      When this is happening you are only left with 3 options. Either you can just ignore it and play your game, berate the player concerned or try to tell them what to do to make it work. The third option being on the cusp of collusion though and shouldnt happen.

      And as far as away players are concerned. I have actually witnessed it too many times that this is a strategy used to win these. Once the blinds build up others start to fight over the blind stealing and it can lead to someone else crashing out.


      But it is always a shock to watch people playing dyms in any form or at any level without understanding the basics of dym strategy.
  • edited November 2013
    haha, that must be tilting

    i was the bigstack in a very similar situation and the evil side of me did consider what the reaction would have been had i manipulated the situation. basically blinds where massive for all but my stack, we all limped into the away players bb, checked it down and he won. so he was no longer the shortie.

    a situation did then come up where if i had shoved the new shortie would either have to call and risk going out before the away player or risk going through the blinds when he only barely had enough to cover them, and also i had the option of folding or call / folding my SB to the away player.

    i did the proper thing and didn't risk egg on my face, but i did wonder at the reaction i might have got.

    given how people react to even small things at the tables i can imagine you could feel the steam through the screen.


  • edited November 2013
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:
    There you go DimTzar, in all it's A5 Notebook glory. Can't show you the official Spready, obv, that's Top Secret stuff.  I update it as I go along, & it lists.... Time commenced Value of Buy-In Colour Coded Red or Green for Loss or Win Running Total of Reward Points in Session Running total (approx, excl Reg Fees) of Profit/Loss as I go along. Running total of games played as I go along. Then, once the session ends, I go to "MY ACCOUNT" to see what the balance is, & check to make sure it all tallies. It's all a bit silly, & basic, really, but I'm a bit OCD with stats & stuff, & keeping that little sheet going helps me with the motivation thing.  
    Posted by Tikay10

    there's a lovely little free program that i use called pokerscore.

    you can set your own filters and see results by buyin, month, game type etc.

    even produces purdy little graphs and charts.

    stat-tastic

    linkage:

  • edited November 2013
    How old are you Tikay?
  • edited November 2013
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    How old are you Tikay?
    Posted by DimTzar
    43
  • edited November 2013
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    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : 43
    Posted by Tikay10
    That can't be right. 

    You have another guess. :P
  • edited November 2013
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : That can't be right.  You have another guess. :P
    Posted by DimTzar
    Thats the year he was born.
  • edited November 2013
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : Thats the year he was born.
    Posted by TeddyBloat
    That looks more truthfull. (No offence Tikay)
  • edited November 2013
    1843?

    Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    :p @ ! ^
  • edited November 2013
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    Posted by Tikay10

    Have you looked at your profile page recently? #justsaying!   Incidentally,  really enjoyed a couple of plo8 games last night.  Was not giving things my full attention as I was in MM stud next door & running well in the £1.5k speed (thin brag) where I managed 4th.   3 diff games NOT easy! lolz Must admit tho I am REALLY loving the plo8 games.  Re: the away, it's amazing how many players DON'T realise a small raise will get a fold.   I def wouldn't steal BUT I'm def not checking down!!

    Playing a live tourney this weekend at a proper casino.....My first EVER live tourney. Been watching Utube today on table etiquette etc. etc. Anyways, gotta go ....dugz to walk!

  • edited November 2013
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    Posted by Tikay10

    RAISE!
  • edited November 2013
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:
    tikay do you feel players play different v you now you are doing this diary? or do you feel like they play the same as before you started it.  i have noticed some seem too hold back(the regs) v you when you raise big.and then there are the others who will call you with anything.are the regs giving you too much respect??and are the newbies trying too bust you too much?.. what do you think have you noticed a difference yourself? great diary as well will defo try 1 in January got a baby due in December so no point me trying 1 just now.wont have the time but i think if i done a diary maybe it would stop me making silly calls and mabye help me improve my game  as i would maybe take more care over decisions knowing others will be seeing how iam doing.. p.s...are you allowed in the top of the posts tourney as you have been more than deserving in the last few months...and have plenty of nominations this month...all the best
    Posted by churchy18
    Hi churchy.

    I don't think players reading this thread play different against me, no.

    The "regulars" as you call them - by which you mean those who play these a lot - all know by now that if I pot it, I have a proper hand, a good two-way hand.  I rarely raise (in "normal" play, with playable stacks) with a high only hand. I often muck "bad Aces" pre-flop in the early Levels, this is vital, as bad aces are hard to win with multi-way at low blinds when everyone is going to call pre.  In normal play, I don't open the betting unless I have a good 2 way hand, & I don't plan to slow down on any flop. So the "regulars" generally get out of the way when I pot it. Others are prone to just call - when they do that, they are behind 95% of the time (if they had better, they'd raise), or just drawing to a low. The flop comes Q-9-9, I bet, & I'm almost sure to get a fold.

    Some players do target me, yes, because I do the Show & stuff, but thats OK, I only play hands on my terms, & that works as much in my favour as against. 

    I genuinely want players to understand the game better, & if that means they play better against me because they see stuff here, thats just fine & dandy.
     
    Hope your game is coming along, & you are making a few bob in these, too. 

    Congrats on the upcoming new arival, in January! What make are you hoping for, or no preference? How very exciting that must be.

    Top of the Posts? I'm always flattered when I get nominated, but I think there be a right hoohah if I ever won it, & I'm happy to be nominated but not considered by the Judge things.

    Have a great weekend, may see you at the Tables later. Big session planned for today, ooohhh.
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